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DarkKnightNomeD User ID: 53034511 United States 04/23/2014 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of people talk high and mighty about these stuff, but after reading the article, it really is clear that a lot of us really dont know crap on what we are talking about. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57237430 Ask someone to define democracy, republic, communism, capitalism, socialism, fascism etc and they go brain dead. Dude, weren't you the guy blabbering about democracy 5 minutes ago ? Well anyway. the article explains how people dont know sh*t. [link to radicalbuzz.com] For Those Who DO NOT KNOW, Watch this Video My Youtube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54595906 France 04/23/2014 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54589778 pick me pick me What is Democracy ? Communism ? Capitalism ? Do you really know? (ALL 3 ARE THE SAME THING).."SLAVERY,CONTROL,THE ILLUSION OF FREEDOM AND CHOICE.JUST LIKE RELIGION,JUT LIKE LAW. ILLUSIONS and MIND CONTROL yeah. read it and then lets talk. can you disagree? what have i said that isnt TRUE? NOTHING THERE IS NO FREEDOM IN ANY OF THE CURRENT SYSTEMS So what ? Anarchy ? Do you really know what it is ? The article has that one too. Anarchy is all there has been for a very long time. As for true ideology, there is only this; to love The Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57238585 Morocco 04/23/2014 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | defining them is one thing. After several months in each country, its easy for anyone to see how they are different. Talk is pointless, everyone has a different perspective. To really know how they are different, you have to experience them, for months if not years at a time. |
Overgoverned User ID: 56968464 United States 04/23/2014 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the brain surgeon makes only 3 times the salary of the hospital janitor, don't expect much. But ya know, when the janitor is making an okay living, the prospect of making a triple-okay living holds some appeal. Sure, making a thousandfold-okay living sounds even better, but reality needs to grab hold somewhere. Like everything else, it boils down a a bartering of skills. So say I'm a janitor and I have a bunion that needs to be carved on. I go see someone who specializes in bunion-carving, and he sizes up the situation and tells me, "not to worry, I can handle it, but you'll need to pony up a full year's worth of your pre-tax earnings in exchange for a couple of hours of my expertise". That's when I start to wonder if I can't just resign myself to limping along on my bunion (for the duration, more than likely). The food chain is ridiculously overstratified. Yes, when you're near the low end of the food chain, pretty much every good or service that you might need (or want) seems to be out of your reach. You trade an hour of your sweat for 15 minutes of someone else's sweat, and in many instances, you resort to taking a DIY approach, growing your own taters or changing your own oil (or whatever). DIY bunion surgery, however, might not be wise (although I've read apocryphal stories of DIY surgery occurring in the UK, when the two-year wait was more than the patient could stand). We shouldn't expect total parity, or anything close. It would seem to me, though, that if I trade someone a week of my wages for a half-day of his or her specialized skill, they're faring pretty well in the deal. That'd give them an approximately tenfold advantage, minus whatever their overhead might be. But as I said at the outset, I'm not sure anyone's time should be valued at 1000x someone else's. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15674928 United States 04/23/2014 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tells OP, how do we accomplish this? have you thought about it indepthly? what are your ideas,thoughts,conclusions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54589778 well, looking at the article : - we want political and economic power to be distributed to the people - we dont want political and economic power to concentrate - we want to be free to join/leave any organization/community we join - we dont want anyone being able to come and enslave us - we still want to be able to be organized for accomplishing big projects looking at these, i'd say that we should be going towards some kind of anarcho-communism. anarcho, because we dont want to be lorded over by anybody, we want to join and leave any community we want, and communal because we dont want anyone to be able to own entire groundwater resources, mountains or rivers or entire economy in our community. this already has personal property concept, like your own house, car, belongings etc. but, i think some measure of private property need to be allowed to facilitate what we call 'small business'. however, there should not be any 'big businesses' so that they wont be able to establish themselves as lords over all of us like how walmart, exxon, etc do. as the article explains. these corporations are bigger than 150 countries. of course, to understand this, one needs to learn that the word 'communism' does not mean what they told us to be, like in the ussr. it seems it means 'participatory, democratic governance of BIG Resources', instead of a few rich fat cat assholes owning and lording over everyone. I've come to the same conclusions OP. I've been leaning more towards anarcho-socialism, but I don't know that there is much of a difference between anarcho-soc and anarcho-communism. I have been putting a lot of thought into it lately and I think an anarcho-socialist nation with a basic income guarantee would be ideal. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57217624 United Kingdom 04/23/2014 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Democracy = Mob rule (2 wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner) Communism = Government owns business's Capitalism = Business's own government Putting it as simply as possible, but maybe i got it all arse upward as usual. But the underlying issue that could benefit either paradigm is switching from a vertical collective to a horizontal collective.....IF we must be a collective at all, but such a collective should only be allowed to exist by individuals who opt out, and there is no opting out with capitalism, someONE owns everything, all land, there is no option to live in symbiosis with our bio sphere under capitalism, it is in everyway a cancer, cells not communicating with the WHOLE organism thereby unaware of consuming its host, don't get me wrong TPTB know what they are doing, but their ideology is that of an egg, we are to consume our host and evolve into a hive mind transhumanistic borg-like lifeform at Gaia's expense, they don't fully know WHAT they are, their power breeds arrogance and ignorance which blinds them to higher levels of understanding, locked in a death spiral of ignorance and fear, the capitalist system filed for divorce from nature, dumb move |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15674928 United States 04/23/2014 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those interested The center 4 a stateless society and the Alliance of the Libertarian Left are both excellent sources for anarcho-soc and anarcho-communist info. Any group that promotes true freedom cannot be pro capitalist, including the anarcho-caps. Capitalism by its very definition is based on exploitation of workers and wage slavery. These things aren't part of a free society. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54595906 France 04/23/2014 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those interested The center 4 a stateless society and the Alliance of the Libertarian Left are both excellent sources for anarcho-soc and anarcho-communist info. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15674928 Any group that promotes true freedom cannot be pro capitalist, including the anarcho-caps. Capitalism by its very definition is based on exploitation of workers and wage slavery. These things aren't part of a free society. Capitalism is based on saving, no capital means no pay for your labor. |
Daggo User ID: 43394320 United States 04/23/2014 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communism leads to governments who tell people what they can make period no matter if its a monetary or a physical product and that you can't make more than others be money or product, so if one person or company can make more due to harder work or more efficiency they are slowed down or stopped until the others catch up, making anything made from said products harder to get plus those working there poorer, and the population in general suffer. To make matters worse the Government has so much bureaucracy trying to make sure that everyone is treated the same they kill any innovation because that would mean people doing things that others weren't by force all in the supposed Betterment of the Country . Why do you think Russia looked like time had stood still until its collapse in the 80'S Now Socialism is basically the same thing except its done in the name of the people where its mantra comes in the name of "Social justice" this is where those support those who don't work even if they can because everyone is supposed to be equal and nothing matters but the collective good, no matter the destruction to the one. But they both also follow one thing the guy at the link doesn't tell you is that Both types of these forms of Government have people in charge who believe that since they are the ones running them they deserve more than the common people for they are the ones helping. So they amass more and more wealth while watching the people get poorer and starve. those who speak out against that as an injustice are radicals and are locked away for life or killed. Capitalism rewards people who work harder and turn out more product if someone else is making the same product as you you then have to find ways to make it better and cheaper than your competitor making the next person get a better and cheaper product plus the bonus is their are no shortages. this works great till Governments get involved and try to limit production to increase the price so they can collect more tax, or investors are let in who only care about making money, more money thats all they want is the production of more money for them no matter the cost to the company and when that dries up they force it out of business and move on to the next. :Pirate Flag: 8-14-2018 The day Free Speech died in America |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54595906 France 04/23/2014 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Democracy? Quoting: 57246285 57246285 The majority has the right to decide. Communism? The leaders have the right to decide who should do what and who should get what, totally, no limits. Capitalism? The money has the right to convince you what to do. IMHO Pretty clear. But why doesn't anyone mention republicanism, ie no one has the right to decide for you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56843684 United States 04/23/2014 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They all suck but I am for whatever allows me to keep all my cash/property with a means to protect it. I'm tired of supporting dead beats and that includes individuals, corporations, the military industrial complex in its current bloated form and foreign countries. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51587755 United States 04/23/2014 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of people talk high and mighty about these stuff, but after reading the article, it really is clear that a lot of us really dont know crap on what we are talking about. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57237430 Ask someone to define democracy, republic, communism, capitalism, socialism, fascism etc and they go brain dead. Dude, weren't you the guy blabbering about democracy 5 minutes ago ? Well anyway. the article explains how people dont know sh*t. [link to radicalbuzz.com] The author clearly has an agenda with that article, |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 57237430 Spain 04/23/2014 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Democracy=mob rule. Not what this country was founded on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56639440 Republic=checks and balences...what the founders envisioned with the constitution. Maybe that guy should have written about republic too. for it seems you dont know that there is no difference in between democracy and republic. republic is a system which uses democracy as its mechanism. the difference in between them is directness and centralization/decentralization. however a republic can be extremely decentralized like switzerland, or centralized like france. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 57237430 Spain 04/23/2014 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been putting a lot of thought into it lately and I think an anarcho-socialist nation with a basic income guarantee would be ideal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15674928 yeah, about that. actually i also think that going anarcho-communist right away would not immediately be possible. there are a lot of methods and practices need to be perfected before that. therefore some mesh of anarcho-socialism would not only give us the power back as 'the people', but also fix a lot of our problems - ranging from student loan debts to privately held media to homeless. in that regard i think we agree on a transitory phase. Communism leads to governments who tell people what they can make period no matter if its a monetary or a physical product and that you can't make more than others be money or product, so if one person or company can make more due to harder work or more efficiency they are slowed down or ......(que uninformed nonsense) Quoting: Daggo Communism? Quoting: 57246285 57246285 The leaders have the right to decide who should do what and who sh i think that guy wrote the article for people like YOU. go read first, and then talk. you are wrong. defining them is one thing. After several months in each country, its easy for anyone to see how they are different. Talk is pointless, everyone has a different perspective. To really know how they are different, you have to experience them, for months if not years at a time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57238585 PRACTICE can be different from the reality, as it seems. for example it says poland was a noble republic. nobles had the rights to vote, and were democratically equal. However noone else had any right to anything. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15674928 United States 04/23/2014 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those interested The center 4 a stateless society and the Alliance of the Libertarian Left are both excellent sources for anarcho-soc and anarcho-communist info. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15674928 Any group that promotes true freedom cannot be pro capitalist, including the anarcho-caps. Capitalism by its very definition is based on exploitation of workers and wage slavery. These things aren't part of a free society. Capitalism is based on saving, no capital means no pay for your labor. It doesn't mean that at all. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. There can be currency without capitalism. Cooperatives are socialist organizations and people get paid. Capitalism means the boss gets paid based on your work. Socialism means you get paid the full value of your work. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51126100 United States 04/23/2014 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little ... The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the reward but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or succeed. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 57237430 Spain 04/23/2014 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those interested The center 4 a stateless society and the Alliance of the Libertarian Left are both excellent sources for anarcho-soc and anarcho-communist info. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15674928 Any group that promotes true freedom cannot be pro capitalist, including the anarcho-caps. Capitalism by its very definition is based on exploitation of workers and wage slavery. These things aren't part of a free society. Capitalism is based on saving, no capital means no pay for your labor. It doesn't mean that at all. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. There can be currency without capitalism. Cooperatives are socialist organizations and people get paid. Capitalism means the boss gets paid based on your work. Socialism means you get paid the full value of your work. Moreover, there can be free market, trade, small business, all kinds of private enterprise without capitalism. Just like how mankind had them without there being capitalism for ten thousand years earlier. capitalism brings ownership of BIG things - like a river, a lake, a megacorporation that commands 2 million people. that's just private feudalism. An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51126100 After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little ... The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the reward but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or succeed. yeah the same crap : If students are not there for LEARNING, but GRADES, then it means that that system failed from the start. thats a very stupid example thats being flung around. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28285524 United States 04/23/2014 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54589778 can you disagree? what have i said that isnt TRUE? NOTHING THERE IS NO FREEDOM IN ANY OF THE CURRENT SYSTEMS So what ? Anarchy ? Do you really know what it is ? The article has that one too. do you i sound like i dont? Democracy ? Communism ? Capitalism? .. islam? catholicism? christianity?..birds of the same feather Uh..yeah right: except the barbedwire and machne guns around the "workers paradise" all point inward.(I went to Berlin after the wall came down) Nobody ever got killed trying to cross from the west into the com bloc countries...Plenty gave their lives to attempt freedom from communism. |