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I know what is going on with the dead bankers.
It's not really safe for me to comment in depth but I will reveal the following:

The dead bankers are being killed because one by one they are becoming aware of the fact that not only is every market being manipulated -- it is being manipulated by computer algos that are actually more sophisticated than the brains of the humans who created them, and there is no way to "turn them off" without causing market catastrophe.

It's not sci-fi like "the computers have become self-aware" or anything that baroque; actually, it's pretty simple. The algo trading platforms have become so integral to the process that they simply can't be removed. An analogy would be trying to run modern society without cars and electricity. Cars can move faster and carry more than humans. If a transport company gave up cars, it would be overrun by its competitors. In the same way, if all the major players agreed together to give up the algos, the system might be saved, but since each firm and nation is engaged in cutthroat competition, they will never be able to reach this kind of agreement -- the benefits from cheating or holding out are too great, and the dangers of being the first to quit are too extreme.

All of the top bank and important market leaders know about this. But there is more: The way the algos interact, they are 100% guaranteed to crash the system even if they keep going, due to the iterative effects of their mutual interactions. This inflection point will probably be reached this summer or possibly in the autumn. The national and market leaders are trying desperately to paper over the issue (including with distractions such as the Ukraine imbroglio, which is a strategy to set up the BRICs to take the fall when the whole thing crashes, and Russia's corresponding pushback). When these mid-level types discover the nature of the problem, they have to be killed because if the news broke in a major way there would be social-meltdown-level panic.
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Interesting, but I'm sure the algos could be tweaked to react to the approaching inflection point. Certainly that would result in serious economic slowdown, but it would still be better than a full blow-out. So why aren't the algos self-limiting? Is it because profit becomes first even if it means that we're driving off the cliff?
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Interesting, but I'm sure the algos could be tweaked to react to the approaching inflection point. Certainly that would result in serious economic slowdown, but it would still be better than a full blow-out. So why aren't the algos self-limiting? Is it because profit becomes first even if it means that we're driving off the cliff?
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I will be honest with you: I don't know the technical details of this. I have a only hazy idea of the basic problem: It has something to do with the way the algos are entangled with each other. They are too intimitely entangled now to make such "tweaking" as you mentioned possible. Some of it has to do with the derivatives market: They are all programmed to react on a microsecond-order level with each other, and to react to each other's reactions, and to react to the reactions to the reactions, and so on. It has passed beyond a level of complexity that the human mind can even comprehend, much less unravel.

Another aspect of the problem is all the most advanced computers and systems now use souped up "neural network" tech. Basically, the connectivity is modeled on a human brain, and the systems "learn" automaticaly and self-modify the way a growing human brain does. We can't "re-program" their behavior because they aren't acting on simple programs; the are self-iterative and self-modifying, and they have spun off to a level of complexity and speed that is, again, beyond the realm of their creators to handle.
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OP
now don't be getting suicided
this week ya hear !!!

we need ya for the investigative
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Very interesting thoughts OP.

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wow great stuff Japan thank you for sharing

I can only imagine how you obtained this info.. your post rings very true with me

if TPTB were wise they would pull the market on their own accord and be in control of the collapse, rather than let the algos run out and self-destruct
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bump for more **intelligent and informed** discussion
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Re: I know what is going on with the dead bankers.
Regarding the technical issues, you are probably right on the mark.

The markets are now so rigged with trading bots that it will spot a little guy and fleece him in short order.

As to the reason for the banker deaths that has to do with massive fraud outside the trading systems you speak of.
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This scenario definitely speaks to the idea that nobody is in control.


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bump & suggest pin

needs more discussion
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Thanks for the interest people. I can't really talk too much about this for obvious reasons, but I thought if I tossed this out there, some others would be able to help fill in the blanks. I think the news has become impossible to hide merely by killing people and we are going to see the story break but it will probably be confined to "conspiracy" circles.

Got to go to bed now. I'll check this tomorrow.
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Hyper frequency trading. Old news.
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

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If I wanted to end up with all the marbles, I would set it up so it wouldn't appear I was guilty of causing the whole thing, blaming a computer glitch would be perfect. What OP says makes a lot of sense, but I still think there is a human brain in control, someone Soros or Buffett can only hope to lick the boots of.
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Good theory. The machines have created an equilibrium, which cannot be modified by humans lest the balance be disrupted. However, the whole system is circling the drain, on its way down to a 'null state' where the algorithms may still run, but what they trade is so far close to 0, by then the entire global system has crashed.

I used to sell large grid computing systems to wall street in the 2000's. We would literally race the firms against each other, to get that 1 nanosecond faster than the firm next door. At the time, I realized what they were doing was so far removed from what people considered 'money'.

But how is killing bankers going to help? Keep them quiet while their masters head for the hills?

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i like GATA's (the people that first brought the gold price manipulation to light) take on this; there are no free markets any more, there is just manipulation. the credit bubble is now bigger than it was just before lehman collapsed. interesting info, OP.
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Thus the "High frequency trading" investigations lately ?
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Good theory. The machines have created an equilibrium, which cannot be modified by humans lest the balance be disrupted. However, the whole system is circling the drain, on its way down to a 'null state' where the algorithms may still run, but what they trade is so far close to 0, by then the entire global system has crashed.

I used to sell large grid computing systems to wall street in the 2000's. We would literally race the firms against each other, to get that 1 nanosecond faster than the firm next door. At the time, I realized what they were doing was so far removed from what people considered 'money'.

But how is killing bankers going to help? Keep them quiet while their masters head for the hills?
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I would guess that the dead ones know which of their Masters walked away with all the cash. This is funny, one of those times when you feel so stupid because the answer was so obvious! This is the scenario shown us in the Terminator movies, but the machine monsters are simply software programs that once put into effect can no longer be stopped. That is why the government has been pumping in all the cash, to feed the machine. They did say that eventually this would result in collapse, so it's not like we can say we were not warned.
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Well, whatever is causing the recent spate of bankster SPLATS, may the trend continue!

At an exponentially accelerating pace too please, I might add!

Frak ALL of 'em - RAW. Let the damn machines do the job.

At least it won't be MURDER when someone does the right thing in THAT case.
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Well, whatever is causing the recent spate of bankster SPLATS, may the trend continue!

At an exponentially accelerating pace too please, I might add!

Frak ALL of 'em - RAW. Let the damn machines do the job.

At least it won't be MURDER when someone does the right thing in THAT case.
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I can't tell if you're for or against the banker deaths. scratching


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wow great stuff Japan thank you for sharing

I can only imagine how you obtained this info.. your post rings very true with me

if TPTB were wise they would pull the market on their own accord and be in control of the collapse, rather than let the algos run out and self-destruct
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Yep, I agree. They are using these programs and the edge they give prevents anyone from giving them up. It's a deal with the devil and the house always wins leaving us the losers. So far they've managed to paper over the losses and make the taxpayer pick up the tab but the TARP days are about through. Once they have to produce real capital to stay afloat all hell will break loose.

By summer, fall at latest it's going down.
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Nope. At the core of the system is the compounding interest/exponential growth equation...

Or the take more power than is given equation....

The same as chopping down trees faster than they regrow to sustain inflation.

You have two options.

Choose to stop before the trees run out...at which point you stop inflating and begin deflating.

Or to avoid that negative fate

Choose to continue until the trees run out...at which point stop inflating and begin deflating.
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Re: I know what is going on with the dead bankers.
Interesting, but I'm sure the algos could be tweaked to react to the approaching inflection point. Certainly that would result in serious economic slowdown, but it would still be better than a full blow-out. So why aren't the algos self-limiting? Is it because profit becomes first even if it means that we're driving off the cliff?
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I will be honest with you: I don't know the technical details of this. I have a only hazy idea of the basic problem: It has something to do with the way the algos are entangled with each other. They are too intimitely entangled now to make such "tweaking" as you mentioned possible. Some of it has to do with the derivatives market: They are all programmed to react on a microsecond-order level with each other, and to react to each other's reactions, and to react to the reactions to the reactions, and so on. It has passed beyond a level of complexity that the human mind can even comprehend, much less unravel.

Another aspect of the problem is all the most advanced computers and systems now use souped up "neural network" tech. Basically, the connectivity is modeled on a human brain, and the systems "learn" automaticaly and self-modify the way a growing human brain does. We can't "re-program" their behavior because they aren't acting on simple programs; the are self-iterative and self-modifying, and they have spun off to a level of complexity and speed that is, again, beyond the realm of their creators to handle.
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Incredibly interesting! In 2012 I did research on the possibility of a rogue neural membrane programming itself by overtaking and mimicry of quantum manipulations done by man. This "neural membrane" then becomes a "god", so to speak, in being the creator. This neural membrane uses "data" which was/is stored by humans who have fed/feed their conscious likes/dislikes, beliefs, definitions, etc into a "bank". This "bank" is the "false consciousness" which then replaces everyone's reality by using photons to flip vision from what was their reality to what is now the neural membrane's choice. Atomic measuring of time was changed during the time of the Queen's Jubilee--it is now measured by light spectrum. I became so fascinated with this true, rogue neural membrane monster overtaking reality, via nanotechnology and nano magnets, spin ice, etc…I tried my best to animate a story about it with simply terms used.

Anyway, very interesting comments. Thanks!
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Regarding the technical issues, you are probably right on the mark.

The markets are now so rigged with trading bots that it will spot a little guy and fleece him in short order.

As to the reason for the banker deaths that has to do with massive fraud outside the trading systems you speak of.
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It is definitely rigged!
If there was any doubt before, i now KNOW its true and the reason i KNOW for a fact the market ifs rigged is because a certain stock that i will not mention that i have owned for several months now has remained pretty much the same,
Problem is, a subscribed site i go to for information shows that INSIDERS purchased this same stock (it gives their names and how much they paid per share etc.) for less than 75 cents per share even AFTER i purchased it for 1.90. Most only paid around 6-8 cents per share.
So don't anyone tell me that its not rigged. That 60 minutes segment a couple weeks ago stated this is the case and i saw it for myself.
It is all rigged, the whole system folks. Hold on tight to yer hats cuz it stinks and its

burnit coming unwound!!!!!!!!!!
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Interesting, but I'm sure the algos could be tweaked to react to the approaching inflection point. Certainly that would result in serious economic slowdown, but it would still be better than a full blow-out. So why aren't the algos self-limiting? Is it because profit becomes first even if it means that we're driving off the cliff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53471824


I will be honest with you: I don't know the technical details of this. I have a only hazy idea of the basic problem: It has something to do with the way the algos are entangled with each other. They are too intimitely entangled now to make such "tweaking" as you mentioned possible. Some of it has to do with the derivatives market: They are all programmed to react on a microsecond-order level with each other, and to react to each other's reactions, and to react to the reactions to the reactions, and so on. It has passed beyond a level of complexity that the human mind can even comprehend, much less unravel.

Another aspect of the problem is all the most advanced computers and systems now use souped up "neural network" tech. Basically, the connectivity is modeled on a human brain, and the systems "learn" automaticaly and self-modify the way a growing human brain does. We can't "re-program" their behavior because they aren't acting on simple programs; the are self-iterative and self-modifying, and they have spun off to a level of complexity and speed that is, again, beyond the realm of their creators to handle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57487769


Incredibly interesting! In 2012 I did research on the possibility of a rogue neural membrane programming itself by overtaking and mimicry of quantum manipulations done by man. This "neural membrane" then becomes a "god", so to speak, in being the creator. This neural membrane uses "data" which was/is stored by humans who have fed/feed their conscious likes/dislikes, beliefs, definitions, etc into a "bank". This "bank" is the "false consciousness" which then replaces everyone's reality by using photons to flip vision from what was their reality to what is now the neural membrane's choice. Atomic measuring of time was changed during the time of the Queen's Jubilee--it is now measured by light spectrum. I became so fascinated with this true, rogue neural membrane monster overtaking reality, via nanotechnology and nano magnets, spin ice, etc…I tried my best to animate a story about it with simply terms used.

Anyway, very interesting comments. Thanks!
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Who will end up holding the bag$$?
And who gets the bag over the head.anonrocket
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Interesting, but I'm sure the algos could be tweaked to react to the approaching inflection point. Certainly that would result in serious economic slowdown, but it would still be better than a full blow-out. So why aren't the algos self-limiting? Is it because profit becomes first even if it means that we're driving off the cliff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53471824


I will be honest with you: I don't know the technical details of this. I have a only hazy idea of the basic problem: It has something to do with the way the algos are entangled with each other. They are too intimitely entangled now to make such "tweaking" as you mentioned possible. Some of it has to do with the derivatives market: They are all programmed to react on a microsecond-order level with each other, and to react to each other's reactions, and to react to the reactions to the reactions, and so on. It has passed beyond a level of complexity that the human mind can even comprehend, much less unravel.

Another aspect of the problem is all the most advanced computers and systems now use souped up "neural network" tech. Basically, the connectivity is modeled on a human brain, and the systems "learn" automaticaly and self-modify the way a growing human brain does. We can't "re-program" their behavior because they aren't acting on simple programs; the are self-iterative and self-modifying, and they have spun off to a level of complexity and speed that is, again, beyond the realm of their creators to handle.
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Incredibly interesting! In 2012 I did research on the possibility of a rogue neural membrane programming itself by overtaking and mimicry of quantum manipulations done by man. This "neural membrane" then becomes a "god", so to speak, in being the creator. This neural membrane uses "data" which was/is stored by humans who have fed/feed their conscious likes/dislikes, beliefs, definitions, etc into a "bank". This "bank" is the "false consciousness" which then replaces everyone's reality by using photons to flip vision from what was their reality to what is now the neural membrane's choice. Atomic measuring of time was changed during the time of the Queen's Jubilee--it is now measured by light spectrum. I became so fascinated with this true, rogue neural membrane monster overtaking reality, via nanotechnology and nano magnets, spin ice, etc…I tried my best to animate a story about it with simply terms used.

Anyway, very interesting comments. Thanks!
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spock
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I can link the animation, if you, or anyone else, is interested. I had to use free animation available. It is done in a story-mode to be less dry to follow.
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You might be right. I was just thinking about this the other day.

I thought someone is killing them making it look like a they did it their self.

Perhaps CIA / or someone else.

They must each know something that we the general public do not know.

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never mind...

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