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the problem is that the pharmacy charges 20 dollars PER PILL for 2 mg Lunesta sleeping pill.

Who the fuck can spend 20 dollars per night to get to sleep?
at ten dollars per milligramthis costs way more than gold, at a thousand dollars per gram, or otherwise costs 32 thousand dollars an ounce or about 18 times more than gold.
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I can confirm OP's description.

I have current knowledge/experience in ER. I believe the main problem is that patients have no/limited financial responsibility (due to private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) for medical care. As a result, a $5,0000 trip to the ER has no cost.

The same people come in over and over, seeking (and even demanding) drugs, attention, etc. We cannot refuse treatment.

The icing on the cake is that the hospital's reimbursement from Medicare is tied to patient satisfaction. Unfortunately, the survey from the patient with the massive MI (heart attack) is given the same weight as the patient with unexplained pain requesting narcotics by brand name.
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And what of the people who genuinely needed an ER visit? You gonna stick them with a $5000 bill and screw them financially for years?
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I really wonder what health care would cost if there were no government regulations, mandates or fear of frivolous lawsuits against the Doctors and hospitals. We just had a surgery done on our Rough Collie by a vet specialist to remove a cancerous tumor from inside her bladder and the cost was $1,400. No insurance for the Vets to deal with, no governmental meddling and cash paid when it was finished.

What would that same surgery cost for a human? Cut out all the bullshit, leave the hospitals alone to do their business and reign in the insurance industry and prices would plummet.
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the problem is that the pharmacy charges 20 dollars PER PILL for 2 mg Lunesta sleeping pill.

Who the fuck can spend 20 dollars per night to get to sleep?
at ten dollars per milligramthis costs way more than gold, at a thousand dollars per gram, or otherwise costs 32 thousand dollars an ounce or about 18 times more than gold.
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Did you catch the maths mistake?

At 10 dollars per milligram the actual cost isnt a thousand dollars per gram, its actually ten thousand per gram.
making it in fact 180 times more expensive than pure gold.
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There are two kinds of people in this world:

Type 1. Those born with no ambition who think everything good in life just comes along and knocks on the front door for those who are Type 2. Since their lives are shit due to their bad luck, they OD on every conceivable short term comfort bearing substance they can stuff into their pie hole as relief for the perpetual self pity of their plight: drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, junk food, soft drinks, etc. until they are total blimps. It's all bad luck and somebody else's fault.

Type 2. Born with ambition and the realization that you have to go out in the world and go after what you want, especially a satisfying and financially rewarding career. None of that shit comes knocking at the front door. Throw in some hobbies and physical activity instead of getting all your entertainment watching TV or watching someone else play sports. Look at every day as an opportunity to do new things and meet new people. Love your life.

It's easy for me to look at this from the perspective of the Type 2 that I am. But would I just be another poor son of a bitch blob of useless eater if I had been born Type 1? That is probably the real luck of the draw, I wasn't.
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The truth will set you free , doctors and drugs will only enslave you
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If you believe that avoid them all at every cost, no doubt someone will be willing to sell you an alternative for what ails you.
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It does not have to be like that...
My great aunt was among the first patients to receive insulin. She followed a strict low carb diet and walked seven miles a day, no matter what later doctors told her.
She lived to be 84 and died of a heart attack while shoveling hay from a barn loft.
She never went blind or lost a limb, never even had an ulcer.
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OP is an insurance industry shill.

Their propagandists are out there promoting the idea that if someone's life is going to cost too much money, then that person should die.

OP packaged this propaganda in the form of an anti-Obamacare rant so that it would be more palatable.
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I really wonder what health care would cost if there were no government regulations, mandates or fear of frivolous lawsuits against the Doctors and hospitals. We just had a surgery done on our Rough Collie by a vet specialist to remove a cancerous tumor from inside her bladder and the cost was $1,400. No insurance for the Vets to deal with, no governmental meddling and cash paid when it was finished.

What would that same surgery cost for a human? Cut out all the bullshit, leave the hospitals alone to do their business and reign in the insurance industry and prices would plummet.
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By reign in, you must mean dismantle. That's the only thing that would do it.

What you would have is lower costs for people who could pay, and people who can't dying(like they are now, out of fear of the costs.)

The only way your plan would work is if the entire financial industry were destroyed as well, bringing about massive deflation all around. An admirable goal, but impossible. We require a functioning society, after all, and no industry or person in this society exists in a vacuum.
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A lot of hospitals are scams anyways. Owned by the county, exempt from paying property taxes, run by a ceo who pays himself and all his buddies(surgeons, specialists that generate large amounts of income for the hospital with procedures) generously while sucking off all the profits generated by a group of overworked primary care doctors and nurses, having to put up with the previously mentioned circumstances, while the ceo and his buddies are in Aruba for a gambling vacation with all the money they are sucking out of the hospital, and later they will maybe sell a piece of land they own to the hospital for a few million so they can build a clinic and pay their construction buddy a few million to do, and then, when the money slows down, the doctors all quit admitting there, the nurses leave, they'll bitch and moan about how obamacare is hurting them.
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Look, I'm all for freedom of choice in regards to how you treat your body. Believe me, nobody who actually works on the floor of these facilities gives a single half a shit what you do to yourself. But we are ALL sick and tired of being FORCED to treat you, when the only treatment you need a radical attitude adjustment. You're wasting time, money, and not to mention a whole boat load of our patience and good will.

The system as it is now WILL fail, because only one half of the caregiver/patient relationship is actually interested in getting better and truly being healthy. The other half just wants to watch Judge Judy and eat junk food and expect you to make them better.

The second the money quits being good (government finally has to take over or let everything go to shit and these bums riot) I am out. A great many others are too.
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Well, then, get used to being forced to treat people, because that's what Obamacare is going to do. I would not be surprised if it's mandated medication for everyone, yet I hear in this thread that those of you who work in hospitals rather give LESS. That's not what I am seeing, at least if I go to the doctors. I go for a bad cold once in a blue moon or something to that effect, and they want to prescribe everything else and their brother to you claiming you are sicker than you really are. And it usually comes down to some "numbers lowering" bullspit like for BP, cholesterol, diabetes or some other do-nothing drug that does not extend life one cubit as Christ would say. Look at TV commercials. Probably I'm on the low end if I say 20% were to advertise drugs. I refuse to take them, but highly offended that if I don't take them I'm classified as the big fat slobs who come to hospitals demanding dope to cure their problems. I don't want any of that.

I'm not sure who is to blame in this endless cycle. The lazy people who agree to eat these GMO and junk foods they provide, or drug companies that perpetuate the idea we all need more medications. It's the chicken or the egg question. I have a feeling that if everyone woke up tomorrow, the governemnt would "mandate" we eat the very things making us ill "for our own good" of course. but now that we are voluntarily eating this garbage, then when we do get sick, of course the blame goes on the little guy like he started all of this. I only blame him for being duped into it.
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THat's the thing. The people who everyone loves to help don't come in and live at the hospital. They get medication if they need it for the shortest amount of time possible, at home if possible, then go back to life as best they can and know how. That's awesome! If the health care was always that easy though there really wouldn't be much need for it.

The problem isn't that some people don't know better, it's that so many know better, have been repeatedly told so, have often experienced dire consequences hand (I'm looking at you, one-legged diabetic who is acting shocked and horrified that we now have to take off your other leg because you flat refused to listen to anybody and just 'took more insulin') and have CHOSEN to live as disabled.

Bad things happen to good people all the time. Everyone bends over backwards (or should rather, in my mind, that's what it's about) to help those people. But the ones who have had chance after chance, like the OP is talking about?

Let 'em fucking rot.
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Hmmm.

No one cared if a person went the doc for something self inflicted before insurance.

Then insurance and eventually people like smokers, the aged, etc had to pay more as a bigger risk.

Now that everyone is paying for insurance, suddenly people feel the need to tell how everyone should live their life or else be deemed NON COMPLIANT.

I knew this would happen. Keep complaining. We'll lose all of our freedoms.

Then there are people like me, who has always been insured, who is currently dealing with an illness naturally and one day if I ever need help, I'll be deemed non compliant because I chose to deal with it naturally instead of taking 20 different expensive organ damaging medicines as I go. If I have to be damaged 20 years down the line, let it be the originally problem, not because of the original problems plus a whole lot more money I don't have for drugs that I will eventually need organ meds for or die that way.

I'm just gonna keep it simple.

One day, someone will most likely force me into taking organ damaging drugs to fix the symptoms while I still maintain my illness.

Btw, the one time I was in the hospital, in excellent shape, I couldn't get anyone to come to fix the drip that had leaked all over me. I sat there for hours wet. Never stay alone in the hospital. While I understand the understaffing, it's totally ridiculous to be taking your frustrations out on the patients. The system is the problem, not the patients.
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This is not BS folks. 100% the truth. PCPs can refuse to take medicare patients (where this re admittance rule comes from) but emergency care providers cannot. I believe the rule is that medicare will only reimburse a certain amount for a claim. If the patient is readmitted more times than the reimbursement can cover the hospital would be forced to treat the patient and eat the cost! OP is right about the types of patients hospitals are stuffed full of every single day.
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Hitler did a few things right. Bust the unions. Tax the rich. Mandate work to build infrastructure. National healthcare. See. Simple.
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the problem is that the pharmacy charges 20 dollars PER PILL for 2 mg Lunesta sleeping pill.

Who the fuck can spend 20 dollars per night to get to sleep?
at ten dollars per milligramthis costs way more than gold, at a thousand dollars per gram, or otherwise costs 32 thousand dollars an ounce or about 18 times more than gold.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


Did you catch the maths mistake?

At 10 dollars per milligram the actual cost isnt a thousand dollars per gram, its actually ten thousand per gram.
making it in fact 180 times more expensive than pure gold.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


wow

stunning when you put it that way
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Yes $600 plus for 30 tablets with a total of 60 milligrams of medication.
In the line for the pharmacist, one after the other customers were asked if they understood how much their respective medications cost, because the prices had become so dear it seemed like they had a bank of people constantly calling the insurances.

The point is that they are making things prohibitive for the public intent on breaking them de jure or de facto.
Nobody can afford these prices and they are all the result of a feeding frenzy of lawsuits resulting from known unavoidable side effects from medications.
It seems that being a product liability attorney is like shooting fish in a barrel, it doesnt matter what precautions one can take, lawyer will convince someone with deep pockets must pay for water being wet.
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Everybody has to buy insurance, eh? LOL. I'm not and nobody around me is. It's too expensive and it's worthless.
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True story.
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I know you're story is true. I work in a large hospital and the patient you're describing is TYPICAL.

It won't take 10 years OP for the hospital system to crash. It is happening right now.
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True story.
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I know you're story is true. I work in a large hospital and the patient you're describing is TYPICAL.

It won't take 10 years OP for the hospital system to crash. It is happening right now.
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Most hospitals are struggling to keep the lights on. Obama care is the straw that breaks the back.
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50 years ago most of our current patients would be dead as a result of their conditions. Now they survive with chronic illness that need management with expensive meds and treatments. Those that devised social security could never have anticipated this.

As a nurse I admit patients in the hospital with past medical histories a mile long. You just wouldnt't believe it :something like 30 medical and 10 psyche conditions listed per patient. They take 20 different meds three times a day. They are miserable, non compliant with treatment plans(fluid restrictions and low salt diets, diabetic diets) but they are obsessed with all their medications and want drug after drug, most are addicted to narcotics too.

That heart attack that would have killed a diabetic, kidney failure patient in 1940 is now survivable. He survives it but he is left with congestive cardiac failure. He is not compliant with controlling his fluid intake and gets readmitted to hospital ever other week. Patients with congestive failure cannot drink to much fluid or they get overloaded and have to come into hospital. He also has emphysema that flairs up and causes him to be readmitted because he still smokes. His diabetes is a problem and he is non compliant with his diet. His family sneak Pepsi, doritos and mcdonalds into his room. His kidneys are shot and that alone should kill him but he gets dialysis. He is supposed to eat a kidney safe diet and gets a lot of education as to why this is important. His response to this education is "fuck off doc, fuck off nurse, I can do what I want." But then he wants the taxpayer to fund millions worth of medications, treatments, and hospitalizations.

When he isn't getting admitted constantly for his congestive cardiac failure flare ups he is getting admitted at least monthly for cellulitis (skin infections) under his skin folds because he is so obese. This requires expensive IV antibiotics on top of his 50 million other medications plus more narcotics for pain control. Then every 5 minutes he is on the call bell, he wants Benadryl, something for anxiety, a pill for nausea, something for indigestion and then more pain meds. He will do this 5 times an hour for 12 hours.
In past decades the heart attack or the diabetes or the kidney failure alone would have killed the guy. Now this train wreck just keeps surviving as a miserable, nasty, hot mess. They are beyond salvation.

What I am describing is all we see in the hospital these days. And when a patient like this finally crashes his family wants ICU, ventilators, tube feedings, ($$$$$$$) and they want to sue everyone. These are the same people who were smuggling cigs, drugs, pepsi, and burger king to the guy.

These patients are also nasty, demanding, and stupid. They cost the system more money than they ever paid in BY MILLIONS. The hospitals are cutting staffing levels to try and deal with the cost. I work at a top American hospital and there was one medical doctor to over 200 medical patients last night. One nurse to every 10 on my ward. And man oh man do these patients get nasty when they don't get what they want when they want it.

Two things to keep in mind about Obamacare:

It hits hospitals with financial penalties when patients like I am describing above are readmitted more than twice a year. According to the government the fault lies with the doctors and nurses for not educating these people about a healthy lifestyle. It is clearly set up to fail.

It hits hospitals with financial penalties when patients complain on press gainey surveys. The complaint can be total bullshit, it doesn't matter. Hospital gets fined if an 800 pound patient complains that two nurses wouldn't lift him up by themselves.

The patient I am describing is readmitted constantly to the hospital due to his life style and conditions. He complains on every survey about the fact that he "couldn't get the food he wanted" (his hospital doctor put him on a diabetic kidney safe diet with restricted fluids because of his heart). He complains that his call bell didn't get answered fast enough when he wanted more narcotics (his nurse had 9 other patients sicker than him). etc etc.

Epic fucking fail.

The staffing level cuts that are being made in our hospitals are nuts. The hospital financial managers know that the budget is really going to get a kicking because of lack of reimbursement from obamacare. We have to admit and take care of people but not only will the government not reimburse for provided care, they are going to constantly fine the hospitals for issues that cannot be helped. The patients think they are in a goddamn hospital and often complaint about "service" not actually grasping that their doc and nurse are overwhelmed with an unreasonable patient load.

It isn't just older people. We get people in their 20s that are obese, addicted to narcotics, already suffering from diabetes and kidney failure, and completely non compliant. They get re-admitted all the time because of wounds under their fat skin folds that require surgery and antibiotics to fix. They are on disability but have ipads, Iphones, marlboros, etc. These high cost non compliant patients (whether young or old) cost so much more than what they ever paid or will pay in taxes

I reckon the hospitals are just going to crash out in the next 10 years. Management is telling us that not even the privately insured patients money can make a dent, so high is the cost of the rest. This is completely unsustainable.

This is what I am seeing. Discuss.
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propoganda

Go fuck yourself and your shilling BS.
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somebody is suffering "burnout". If you can take some time off, now would be a good time.
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50 years ago most of our current patients would be dead as a result of their conditions. Now they survive with chronic illness that need management with expensive meds and treatments. Those that devised social security could never have anticipated this.

As a nurse I admit patients in the hospital with past medical histories a mile long. You just wouldnt't believe it :something like 30 medical and 10 psyche conditions listed per patient. They take 20 different meds three times a day. They are miserable, non compliant with treatment plans(fluid restrictions and low salt diets, diabetic diets) but they are obsessed with all their medications and want drug after drug, most are addicted to narcotics too.

That heart attack that would have killed a diabetic, kidney failure patient in 1940 is now survivable. He survives it but he is left with congestive cardiac failure. He is not compliant with controlling his fluid intake and gets readmitted to hospital ever other week. Patients with congestive failure cannot drink to much fluid or they get overloaded and have to come into hospital. He also has emphysema that flairs up and causes him to be readmitted because he still smokes. His diabetes is a problem and he is non compliant with his diet. His family sneak Pepsi, doritos and mcdonalds into his room. His kidneys are shot and that alone should kill him but he gets dialysis. He is supposed to eat a kidney safe diet and gets a lot of education as to why this is important. His response to this education is "fuck off doc, fuck off nurse, I can do what I want." But then he wants the taxpayer to fund millions worth of medications, treatments, and hospitalizations.

When he isn't getting admitted constantly for his congestive cardiac failure flare ups he is getting admitted at least monthly for cellulitis (skin infections) under his skin folds because he is so obese. This requires expensive IV antibiotics on top of his 50 million other medications plus more narcotics for pain control. Then every 5 minutes he is on the call bell, he wants Benadryl, something for anxiety, a pill for nausea, something for indigestion and then more pain meds. He will do this 5 times an hour for 12 hours.
In past decades the heart attack or the diabetes or the kidney failure alone would have killed the guy. Now this train wreck just keeps surviving as a miserable, nasty, hot mess. They are beyond salvation.

What I am describing is all we see in the hospital these days. And when a patient like this finally crashes his family wants ICU, ventilators, tube feedings, ($$$$$$$) and they want to sue everyone. These are the same people who were smuggling cigs, drugs, pepsi, and burger king to the guy.

These patients are also nasty, demanding, and stupid. They cost the system more money than they ever paid in BY MILLIONS. The hospitals are cutting staffing levels to try and deal with the cost. I work at a top American hospital and there was one medical doctor to over 200 medical patients last night. One nurse to every 10 on my ward. And man oh man do these patients get nasty when they don't get what they want when they want it.

Two things to keep in mind about Obamacare:

It hits hospitals with financial penalties when patients like I am describing above are readmitted more than twice a year. According to the government the fault lies with the doctors and nurses for not educating these people about a healthy lifestyle. It is clearly set up to fail.

It hits hospitals with financial penalties when patients complain on press gainey surveys. The complaint can be total bullshit, it doesn't matter. Hospital gets fined if an 800 pound patient complains that two nurses wouldn't lift him up by themselves.

The patient I am describing is readmitted constantly to the hospital due to his life style and conditions. He complains on every survey about the fact that he "couldn't get the food he wanted" (his hospital doctor put him on a diabetic kidney safe diet with restricted fluids because of his heart). He complains that his call bell didn't get answered fast enough when he wanted more narcotics (his nurse had 9 other patients sicker than him). etc etc.

Epic fucking fail.

The staffing level cuts that are being made in our hospitals are nuts. The hospital financial managers know that the budget is really going to get a kicking because of lack of reimbursement from obamacare. We have to admit and take care of people but not only will the government not reimburse for provided care, they are going to constantly fine the hospitals for issues that cannot be helped. The patients think they are in a goddamn hospital and often complaint about "service" not actually grasping that their doc and nurse are overwhelmed with an unreasonable patient load.

It isn't just older people. We get people in their 20s that are obese, addicted to narcotics, already suffering from diabetes and kidney failure, and completely non compliant. They get re-admitted all the time because of wounds under their fat skin folds that require surgery and antibiotics to fix. They are on disability but have ipads, Iphones, marlboros, etc. These high cost non compliant patients (whether young or old) cost so much more than what they ever paid or will pay in taxes

I reckon the hospitals are just going to crash out in the next 10 years. Management is telling us that not even the privately insured patients money can make a dent, so high is the cost of the rest. This is completely unsustainable.

This is what I am seeing. Discuss.
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propoganda

Go fuck yourself and your shilling BS.
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Are you the patient OP is writing about?
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Yes. Does this not prove that Obama, and ALL of the USA govt leadership, are the enemies of the American People? It should.

Name anything that has improved since 9-11.

It can't be done.

America is under attack by the very people who claim to be the govt. Why do people continue to obey these people?

I am not calling for violence or protests in the streets. I'm asking why people obey? Peaceful non-compliance to "laws and rules" that harm us, is a good thing.

Why do people obey?
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Do you? Ever? Even a little? Betcha do. It's not that easy to conduct civil disobedience when the system is so deeply entrenched. We've been sedated by affluence. I pray for an immense wake-up call, before our get-up-and-go has gone.
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somebody is suffering "burnout". If you can take some time off, now would be a good time.
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It's not burnout. It's a typical day at any hospital.
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Hmmm OP, interesting post. I'm 63, take no meds, and have been to hospital 1 in the last 30 years. I had no Idea, thanks for sharing your experiences.

I can only think that there is no place to go but down. Sad story.
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but if and when you go in for a heart attak or stroke... Try more than a quarter of a million dollars for a weekend stint
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Medications...funny...they are putting them out on the market now, knowing they cause cancer and heart attacks, and charging 300 to 600 dollars a month because the big pharmas have figured they will make so many billions before they have to pay out some for the later lawsuits. FDA has approved them and they are trying to get the doctors to start using them, knowing they cause cancer and heart attacks. e.g. forxiga...invokana
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EMTALA should be cancelled because we now have Obamacare. Hospitals should no longer be forced to treat those without insurance. Illegals should be denied service. Years ago, there were "charity hospitals" to treat those who could not pay. This would bring healthcare costs way down.
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Yeah, that's right, leave our newest citizens to born on the
sidewalk and grandma rotting to the bone in her own juices.

Perfect solution

Oh and by the way those "Charity Hospitals" were ANY
hospital receiving federal funds.

As of a couple of months ago NO MORE CHARITY CARE.
Public hospitals are now Medicaid/Obamacare kiosks.
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That is why there will most likely be a single payer system where people get basic care. Then there will be the care the rich receive which I have no problem with. If you want something better then you have to pay for it. However, basic care should be available to everyone.
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please define "basic care"
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somebody is suffering "burnout". If you can take some time off, now would be a good time.
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It's not burnout. It's a typical day at any hospital.
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In ANY job it's easy to become frustrated with customers and go through phase of really not liking them and blaming them for a variety of reasons.

In ANY job when this happens you need to straighten yourself out, do what it takes or you need to take a vacation or possibly find a new job.

Yes. Hospitals need staff desperately but there's alot of us who really prefer NOT to be treated if we think we're being judged and loathed at a time when we are at our most vulnerable and need positive energy.

YOU AREN'T HELPING.
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Re: Why our hospitals are close to total failure/modern day patients/ obamacare
OP is an insurance industry shill.

Their propagandists are out there promoting the idea that if someone's life is going to cost too much money, then that person should die.

OP packaged this propaganda in the form of an anti-Obamacare rant so that it would be more palatable.
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Not so, the great proportion of hospitalizations are from lifestyle choices of drugs, alcohol or unnecesary risks.

That someone thinks that having their little stunt go bad on Utube video that results in tens of thousands of dollars of repair or even permanent disability or death is not something that needs to be subsidized, it needs to be made into personal responsibility.

There is no physical need to smoke, there is no need to drink, there is no need to drive drunk, there is no need to take street drugs, there is no need to overindulge in food, inertia or risks of injury.

The greater portion of disease and disability that is unaffordable is intentional by neglect or through stupidity, much of it in essence a disease of leisure and an expectation of entitlement to pleasure.

The real problem remains that the sober and cautious have become indentured to pay for the reckless and intoxicated who inevitable will be first and often to what passes for the community chest and will drain that before the ones who will have their health degraded through years of work and the passage of time get to take any of what they put in for themselves.

In nature, the only insurance is conservative behavior and using intelligence or tradition to avoid risk.
There is no compensation for doing stupid shit out of boredom or ignorance.
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It's kind of funny. This is one of those 100% true and verifiable doom threads here on GLP. People actually chiming in who work in the industry to back up the OP. Then you start to see a bunch of tardwins rolling in to troll the thread even though they don't know jack shit about what they are talking about. Pure entertainment and why I love this place lol!
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I've seen the doom over the years. Watched it sneak up and engulf people. They die and the next generations of tards pops up to take their place. Life goes on.

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