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This nurse was more angel of death:

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DAYTON — Two minutes after a nurse said she left for the evening, noting her 14-year-old patient was in good health with stable vital signs, fed and resting comfortably, the teen’s mother was on the phone to 911 saying her daughter was in distress.

Thirty minutes later, Makayla Norman was dead, the victim of nutrition and medical neglect, according to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office.

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I'm not a bully.

I'm an angel letting everyone know that there are many other important jobs that society values without being uppity about it.

You're stuck up, and can't think objectively if you don't even allow another to have a different point of view with throwing names out.

Sorry, but it was a nurse that threw out the first name call. You can't claim being bullied when you make choices like that.

I'm concerned with your lack of judgement and your ability to treat people with your problems with work. Please take a vaca.
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Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it.

If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead.
Somehow, you never consider that, do you?

Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue.

Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it?
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Docs just need to smarten up and start their own private clinics. It can be done. You don't need hospitals at all. Let the bigshot surgeons do their own admission history and physicals and let the nurses call them for patient care at all hours.
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This nurse was more angel of death:

[link to www.abc22now.com]

DAYTON — Two minutes after a nurse said she left for the evening, noting her 14-year-old patient was in good health with stable vital signs, fed and resting comfortably, the teen’s mother was on the phone to 911 saying her daughter was in distress.

Thirty minutes later, Makayla Norman was dead, the victim of nutrition and medical neglect, according to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office.

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Most likely a nurse who came to loath her patients.

She obviously didn't like them.
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EMTALA should be cancelled because we now have Obamacare. Hospitals should no longer be forced to treat those without insurance. Illegals should be denied service. Years ago, there were "charity hospitals" to treat those who could not pay. This would bring healthcare costs way down.
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So agree with this. The uninsured and poor were not dying in the street before it became for them to turn people away. They just went to the welfare hospital instead. That's where you belong too if you are uninsured and cant afford to pay cash regardless of why you ended up in that boat.
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Primary care docs are getting used and abused. They don't need to work in the hospitals. Just see outpatients and if somebody needs to be admitted send them to the ER
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Those who do direct care are angels and do have one of the most difficult jobs.

They have the lives of people in their hands and this put an element into it that is above and beyond other

difficult jobs...

Fire fighters as well
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Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it.

If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead.
Somehow, you never consider that, do you?

Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue.

Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it?
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See, this is the kind of lack of grasp on reality that has been repeatedly shown throughout this thread by nurses.

I can't even bother...it's like explaining to a "special" politician. The disconnect is too great.
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Wow!this story needs to hit mainstream. OP please copy your well written statement and paste it all over the comment sections in mainstream media. I want to personally thank you for your courage to speak up.
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Primary care docs should just stop admitting patients. Let the hospitals hire foreign doctors to do all their hospital care...lol...oops...they already are
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Those who do direct care are angels and do have one of the most difficult jobs.

They have the lives of people in their hands and this put an element into it that is above and beyond other

difficult jobs...

Fire fighters as well
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Please don't put them in the same boat.

Firefighters don't complain and whaa on forums about how hard their job is and how terrible their victims are.
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Firefighters also aren't very smart and don't function on the same level.
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Maybe the firefighters can see patients
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Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it.

If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead.
Somehow, you never consider that, do you?

Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue.

Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it?
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Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital.

When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it.
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Also, make sure to tell those f*ggot bankers as you called them how you feel when you need to get a loan to pay for those long term life or death treatments you're going need.
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Firefighters also aren't very smart and don't function on the same level.
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Firefighters bring in what they found and the nursing and doc staff have to put it back together...

Nurses are angels and you have to really smart to be a GOOD direct care nurse.

I don't care what the idiots spew

GOOD, competent nurses are smart angels
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. . . my oldest, closest friend is an RN whose job is to call Medicaid patients who are foreign nationals, living in foreign countries to make sure that they are getting their follow up visits and medications. They were all signed up for this scam of a program when they visited the US and signed paperwork claiming to be refugees for political purposes, sought out medical treatment as indigents and returned to their home countries once treatment was provided. The system continues to pay for all of it, in fact it is so bad that these foreigners are given prescriptions for Tylenol so that Medicaid will pay for that too!

My Buddy makes big bucks, the company he works for makes big bucks, and we pay for it all. The system is SO BROKEN that taxpaying American citizens actually hand out free medical treatments and drugs to foreigners living in foreign countries. Unbelievable!
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No shit, every day you hear something even more beyond belief than the day before. This just about tops the list of total bullshit backwards absurd and amoral crap I've ever heard.

I wonder who even knows about this crap? I certainly never heard of it before.
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Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give.

I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too!

One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality!
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Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give.

I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too!

One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality!
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Oh, you mean like teachers?
When they realize what their job entails, yeah, it would be hard to change jobs.

I think the key here is the arrogance of the very loud mouthed nurses putting everyone else down.

Like I said, it would be a definite time for a vaca for those nurses.
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Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it.

If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead.
Somehow, you never consider that, do you?

Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue.

Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it?
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Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital.

When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it.
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No, really next time you need anything, call your lawyer at midnight and have him work for your desires.
Boycott evil doctors altogether.

Hahaha, youre the clever fellow, teach the medical professionals a lesson and go straight to your lawyers, they will fix you right the first time.
Lawyers never make a mistake, and they are there 24/7/365 just for your call.
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Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give.

I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too!

One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality!
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Yes

Only those who have been in the trenchens know what it is all about.

I, however, did change my life. I got out of direct care and got an IT degree and now work in IT world.

I was a nurse for a long time and got burned out.

I took care of too many patients at one time ; as the hospital administration kept downsizing those in the key

trench positions; the job become more and more dangerous for both the patient and the lisense.
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Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it.

If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead.
Somehow, you never consider that, do you?

Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue.

Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital.

When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it.
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No, really next time you need anything, call your lawyer at midnight and have him work for your desires.
Boycott evil doctors altogether.

Hahaha, youre the clever fellow, teach the medical professionals a lesson and go straight to your lawyers, they will fix you right the first time.
Lawyers never make a mistake, and they are there 24/7/365 just for your call.

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Gibberish.
I think you're on the wrong thread.
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Everyone needs to vent. That's all the OP is doing. And yes, in most of these cases (only speaking from personal experience, don't know what set the OP off) it *IS* the patient's 'fault'. Only, exclusively, and entirely.

Take two patients the same age, gender, race, socioeconomic background, profession, medical history, etc.

One of them likes to sit around and stuff ho-hos in his face and wash them down with soda and drive-thru burgers and fries. And don't forget the ice cream. God forbid he doesn't get the ice cream. His expectation is 'you fix it'.

The other one more or less watches what he eats, gets at least a little exercise with a few outdoor hobbies, makes an effort to understand whatever his condition or complaint is, engages in a dialogue regarding treatment options. He has realistic goals set and expects that the treatment team will help him meet those goals.

These two people could have the exact same life experiences, but personal drive means that A is a lazy slub and B isn't.

Which one would you rather deal with?

The vast majority of patients in my hospital are the type B. They are in and out and things usually go well. More and more, and younger and younger, are becoming A.



Since people are determined to make this equivalent to other fields (and a huge lulz at that, having worked in two others)

It's like asking a builder to build your dream home and then not giving any input as to what you want in your dream home.

It's like just telling your gas plumber 'the house is leaking' and expecting them to find it, fix it, and do it in less than an hour, and he better not interrupt you while you're watching Judge Judy.

It's like telling the engineer 'design the skyscraper tall and you have to use this steel', when the engineer is telling you loud and clear the steel you picked isn't up to the task.


I love working direct patient care 99% of the time, even when the hours suck. It beats the hell out of working in a cube farm and way better than being stuck outside with the shovel. But that one percent...sweet mother it is enough to make you want to explode.
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Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give.

I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too!

One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality!
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Oh, you mean like teachers?
When they realize what their job entails, yeah, it would be hard to change jobs.

I think the key here is the arrogance of the very loud mouthed nurses putting everyone else down.

Like I said, it would be a definite time for a vaca for those nurses.
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Oh, definitely! Teachers don't get to do what they really wanted to either! They deal with non compliant students and demanding parents who expect the teacher to impart knowledge into their kid's brain without anyone but the teacher doing the work! It is so unfair what is expected from a teacher! But it is a different type of frustration. You can, for example, put off grading tests, but a nurse walks onto a floor of complete chaos and many times can not even take a restroom break for 12 hours! They aren't the same, but they may both be thankless while miracles are expected from the teacher/nurse!
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
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Lot's of jobs have the same thing. Customers you would rather encounter than others for personal bias reasons, like you're stating.

How do I know it's personal bias?

Because you don't know if there life history is the same. Not everything is written on a piece of paper for you to play jury and judge about whose deserving.

The very fit 40 year old who has taken really good care of himself and has only a few set-backs in life or the 60 year old who started off with a poor history that no-one knows about and has overcome time and time again and has over-indulged in some pleasures to make his life somewhat enjoyable for the past 30 years.

You really think you are the one who should be making judgement calls upon appearance and what's written on paper.

Sorry, it seems not only do some docs have the God complex.
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All I am saying that if highly educated health care professionals were allowed to charge like plumbers and babysitters do and were not forced to work extra without any pay so often YOU HEALTH CARE COSTS WOULD BE A HELL OF A LOT HIGHER. Hows about a little gratitude.

You know how much the hospitals save by forcing RNs into unpaid, mandatory overtime? Those savings keep your medical bills lower.
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If you're on salary, them's the breaks. It's no different in any other industry.

You want to talk about hard work? Try a draw against commission pay scale in blue collar fields.
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Oh please. Blue collar guys don't have life and death responsibility and don't work 15 hours straight without a sip of water or any kind of break.
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If I make a mistake in applying chemicals, people may very well die. If an electrician fucks up, people can die. If a framer fucks up, people can die. If a plumber fucks up on certain aspects, people can die slowly. The life and death responsibility is not as direct as yours, to be sure, but it is still there, and the importance to society no less.

Btw, just so you don't have to climb down from your high horse to hear it, I'll remind you that you work inside, in a climate controlled facility.
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But these people you are describing are able to stay focused on what they are doing. Nurses have about 30 seconds to make a decision, do the math to titrate the cardiac drip and they have to get it right the first time. This is constant and you can bet your ass that while the nurse is calculating drips or trying to concentrate on what she is doing to avoid a mistake the family members of all her other patients will be in her face distracting, interrupting etc. It's like 10 things at once at all times and no chance to have like 10 noise free seconds to focus.

If an electrician is working on a problem, he is just working on that problem and focused. He certainly doesn't have 20 psychos screaming in his face demanding service whilst he is trying to handle time sensitive stuff, and cardiac telemetry alarms signally another emergency blaring at him.
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I can confirm OP's description.

I have current knowledge/experience in ER. I believe the main problem is that patients have no/limited financial responsibility (due to private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) for medical care. As a result, a $5,0000 trip to the ER has no cost.

The same people come in over and over, seeking (and even demanding) drugs, attention, etc. We cannot refuse treatment.

The icing on the cake is that the hospital's reimbursement from Medicare is tied to patient satisfaction. Unfortunately, the survey from the patient with the massive MI (heart attack) is given the same weight as the patient with unexplained pain requesting narcotics by brand name.
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Please try to know there are ligitimate pain patients. I had infection that got into my spinal fluid and ended up in er 4 times. Was admitted to the hospital and sent home over and over. They denied I was in pain! Yes I took 4 vicodon a day. I was treated terribly in er due to the fact I was on pain medication. Fever and chills got so bad I ended up getting mri and spinal tap. I had one doctor yell at me while taking a biopsy if I was faking? Exploratory surgery revealed gangrene and I almost died because of all the time it took to diagnose. It was due to a birth defect. I was treated badly because I was young and female and had unexplained pain. No I am not overweight a bit.

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Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it.

If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead.
Somehow, you never consider that, do you?

Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue.

Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital.

When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54980830


No, really next time you need anything, call your lawyer at midnight and have him work for your desires.
Boycott evil doctors altogether.

Hahaha, youre the clever fellow, teach the medical professionals a lesson and go straight to your lawyers, they will fix you right the first time.
Lawyers never make a mistake, and they are there 24/7/365 just for your call.

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Gibberish.
I think you're on the wrong thread.
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So you say, I think you dont have the integrity to make your own decisions so you demand treatment and then bitch and complain about it, unaware that anything not considered routine will be attacked by lawyers claiming your practioner was simply experimenting on you.

Really, tell the medics to fuck off, you will take care of yourself now, you dont need their factory medicine.