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Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give.

I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too!

One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality!
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Yes

Only those who have been in the trenchens know what it is all about.

I, however, did change my life. I got out of direct care and got an IT degree and now work in IT world.

I was a nurse for a long time and got burned out.

I took care of too many patients at one time ; as the hospital administration kept downsizing those in the key

trench positions; the job become more and more dangerous for both the patient and the lisense.
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What you nurses don't seem to understand is that you aren't the only profession with these problems. Everything that's not desk work is getting pushed just as hard, and even the desk jockeys rarely get a strict 40hr week anymore.

I thought I had a light day in my prior profession when I only had a twelve hour day. That's just not right.

And I'm not talking your double shift weekends, either. I'm talking six days a week. Stop thinking you're so special with the terrible working conditions, you're not.
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I have worked enough varied careers to choke a moose.

What you have here is a well rounded person

I have worked in a cubie , using a shovel , as a nurse, in a law office...the list is long

I understand.

I know there is burnout all over the place. This thread is about hospitals tho
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
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They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


All that you describe is the result of our SICKO culture.

The adminstration of all hospitals just want $$$$$$

greed has taken over all of this culture to a far and beyond pathelogical state

but no one is healthy enough mentally EITHER to care about it and try to change it

What they do is take the nurses license if he or she cant take care of ALL those patients and find


more nurses


Our culture is sick ; and filled with pschos who only care about $$$$$$$


This is a symptoms of FALL OF EMPIRE


it is eroding from within and falling
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Obviously the real answer is to force the highly trained people that fill the hospitals 24/7/365 to work for free, that way when you stumble off a cliff while drunk and high off your ass, people who have trained for 10 years can suck your drunk ass dick until you can win the Tour de France and do it for free.

Fuck you lot, none of you give anything you do for free, and most of you didnt invest 6 months of any real discipline to do what you do.
I guess youre just to precious, and there are drugs to be taken and youtube videos of you drunk off your ass shoving fireworks up your ass to be posted, after all, its your right.
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Lots of jobs have the same thing

BUT NO job has the element of life and death as many nursing jobs do...

You miss something as a nurse and it could mean death for the patient.

Take a very unstable patient in the ICU

The nurse must know her stuff; as in be smart

and know what to look for if the patient begins to '''circle the drain''''

NO job other than nursing has life and death

Nurses are the watchers of the critical care units and so forth...

Without a competent, good nurse there willing to make sure you survive your stay in the ICU

They will be putting 6 inches of dirt over you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


The real take away point here is that eventually everyone dies, no matter how well they are attended to.
Its the lawyers generating the assumption that if everyone does the right thing, death will be defeated, and that, friends, is not the reality to be dealt with.

Eventually every one of you will die, and there is nobody that can intervene, and its not anyones fault.
Every half baked, ungreatful and arrogant, blame assigning bullshit arguement intended to hang the medical people with blame they have to 'make compensation' for, is based on the lie of everlasting life if the medical people do the right things.

Deal with it, you get unlucky and you die early, and if you get lucky you die later,
NOBODY WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE FOREVER, get the fuck over it.
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Very true. You are correct.

The problem is;

you don't want to be the one on the end of the lawyer stick.
It can be very nasty

especially when the words like '''incompetence''', '''neglect''', '''patient abandonment''' start to be used.

If you could make all lawyers realize that everyone dies and there is no real problems; you will be the

hero.


THey take professional license tho and the person's way of making a living is dead in the water.

The front line nurses and docs get the license taken if they can't

get there quick enough and no one cares

The administration is going to keep all their expensive cars and homes

no one looks to them

master /slave mentality
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
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They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


All that you describe is the result of our SICKO culture.

The adminstration of all hospitals just want $$$$$$

greed has taken over all of this culture to a far and beyond pathelogical state

but no one is healthy enough mentally EITHER to care about it and try to change it

What they do is take the nurses license if he or she cant take care of ALL those patients and find


more nurses


Our culture is sick ; and filled with pschos who only care about $$$$$$$


This is a symptoms of FALL OF EMPIRE


it is eroding from within and falling
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Obviously the real answer is to force the highly trained people that fill the hospitals 24/7/365 to work for free, that way when you stumble off a cliff while drunk and high off your ass, people who have trained for 10 years can suck your drunk ass dick until you can win the Tour de France and do it for free.

Fuck you lot, none of you give anything you do for free, and most of you didnt invest 6 months of any real discipline to do what you do.
I guess youre just to precious, and there are drugs to be taken and youtube videos of you drunk off your ass shoving fireworks up your ass to be posted, after all, its your right.
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YOu make no sense

how much have you been drinking? today?

This is a great post

you just don't understand it
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Ask why the people are making dumb choices. They are being blasted with advertising, cheap goods from China that were made using slave labor, unhealthy food supply, and uncaring officials only concerned with profits.

That is why they are obese and addicted to drugs. They are dumbed down and incapable of logical reason.

I have a few solutions... trade reform with CHINA.

Also, instead of airing Dancing with the Stars and endless commercials.. why not air some real reality shows that address the issues that are listed in my first paragraph.
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Chinese are on the same road, just heard "YUM!" brand (KFC and Pizza Hut) opens a new store in China EVERY 12 HOURS.

Fast food crap will soon be killing the Chinese too.
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True story.
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My husband is a doc, I agree with all you've said, but I don't think it will take the system 10 years to crash. Less than 5.
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True story.
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My husband is a doc, I agree with all you've said, but I don't think it will take the system 10 years to crash. Less than 5.
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agree
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True story.
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My husband is a doc, I agree with all you've said, but I don't think it will take the system 10 years to crash. Less than 5.
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The real point has always been to take the capability to compete with the liberal party money machine.

Doctors have by and large been opponents to liberalism simply because nature isnt liberal, its conservative.
Doctors and other small business people used to be able to somewhat mount an opposition to big union labor/lawyer/oligarch money used to lie to the public.
Now, with mainstreet dying, and medicine being destroyed by massive overregulation and reimbursement decreases, and mandated de facto information collection to use in developing political dossiers, there really nobody with the free time and permission to access the MSM to inform what's left of intelligent citizens.

This is the endgame, and there may be problems in corrupting the upcoming vote for the liberals, and since they cannot lose power and authority, they have to step up and go for broke by establishing irreversable suppression of all and any oppositions.

Its going to get really, really bad and quite soon.
Be aware of crazy massive voter fraud coming up this year.
Every effort will be made to insert a vote vampire libertarian spoiler in any race not a shoe-in for a liberal.
Every effort will be made to make you think that the general election is just the second primary, and to wait for a perfect candidate to arrive from the heavens and not vote til he lends you money or blows you.

Everything will be done to disenfranchise the producer class to benefit the overseer and dual citizen classes.
You heard it here first, folks,so watch and see.
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Lots of jobs have the same thing

BUT NO job has the element of life and death as many nursing jobs do...

You miss something as a nurse and it could mean death for the patient.

Take a very unstable patient in the ICU

The nurse must know her stuff; as in be smart

and know what to look for if the patient begins to '''circle the drain''''

NO job other than nursing has life and death

Nurses are the watchers of the critical care units and so forth...

Without a competent, good nurse there willing to make sure you survive your stay in the ICU

They will be putting 6 inches of dirt over you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Nurses & doctors do kill patients and probably more often than you can imagine. Medical mistakes are high up the list of what kills Americans.
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In the 1860's angels weren't known for their uppity attitude and loathing of the people they must help and weren't known as complainers.

2014, angels loath the people they were assigned to help, do their work be-grudgingly and complain all the while telling the wind that it has no place in Gods hand or the earth that it isn't as valuable to those humans.

My, how the angels have changed.
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38067828


They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38067828


They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!
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No it is unreasonable to allow health care professionals to be interrupted constantly and not expect errors. They need to concentrate. It was the fault of the family member. You don't fucking distract and intimidate a nurse when she is messing with a fentanyl drip. I had three different patients that needed heparin drips starting simultaneously, obviously I was rushing as well because we were so short staffed, and a visitor nearly caused me to mess it up by getting in my face during about some stupid shit.
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38067828


They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57671618


When I was a floor nurse ; med surg ;step down ICU


I was asked to take care of 7 and 8 patients for a 12 hour period.

Many were very sick patients;

ivs, giving blood, on blood pressure drips, just back from surgery
doing through DTS

You try to operate in that kind of madness.

You are obviously NOT a nurse nor ever have been.


7 and 8 patients ; how can a human being keep track of all that

family would come in a fu** around all the time


If a nurse could clone herself a few times


Your an idiot and have NO idea what goes on
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I'm a year from my BSN and I have decided that I am going to be a mob doc. Cash payment, high-adrenaline work, and no questions.

Fuck tryin to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
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I'm a year from my BSN and I have decided that I am going to be a mob doc. Cash payment, high-adrenaline work, and no questions.

Fuck tryin to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
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You have to really want to do it

from what I hear out there; most hospitals have NOT changed in these last 10 years and gotten worse.

They ask you to take care of too many patients; and most of the patients are much much sicker than in previous times.

The idiots on here who put nurses down ; just think they are going around and checking on blood pressures all night and day.

HELL NO!!!

they discharge these patients from the ICU s much earlier than in previous years for more revenue....


It is NOT unreasonable for a medical /surgical floor nurse to have 7 and 8 patients in some of the big hospitals.

And ...they are sick sick sick

I remember one Christmas season I worked I was giving blood on 4 of my patients at the same time..... had a few come back from

orthopedic surgery at the same time .....

Had one who was nuts and the psych ward didn't want him

he was a '''runner''' and biter

They threw an IV in him and sent him to the med surg unit....

he was found at 3 in the morning singing Christmas carols at the big tree down the street ; nude....

Nursing is NOT for the faint of heart

NOT NOT NOT

and anyone on here who can say the nurse should of done this and that

Has NO idea what a nurse does

They need to go and shadow a nurse for a shift and see for themselves

get an education


Few nurses get any support from upper management ; either


There are some good hospitals but they are few

few few few
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What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals.

I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some.

But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38067828


They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57671618


When I was a floor nurse ; med surg ;step down ICU


I was asked to take care of 7 and 8 patients for a 12 hour period.

Many were very sick patients;

ivs, giving blood, on blood pressure drips, just back from surgery
doing through DTS

You try to operate in that kind of madness.

You are obviously NOT a nurse nor ever have been.


7 and 8 patients ; how can a human being keep track of all that

family would come in a fu** around all the time


If a nurse could clone herself a few times


Your an idiot and have NO idea what goes on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Just remember that the lawyer that sues you takes days to months on one case, takes time off on weekends and holidays, can demand an ex parte suspension of procedings, it rarely procedes for more than a few hours at a time, the lawyer picks and chooses whether he wants to bother taking the case and the judges are advocates for the attorney. In the end one sides lawyer or the other sides lawyer loses and then simply goes home to write up their bill.

How can someone that picks and chooses when, where and how long he works on one case at a time for days and even years, usually arguing about a short or otherwise limited time frame after the fact comprehend what its like to take all comers without choice, having to make choices about the entire process while juggling a dozen different cases in real time with the varying dynamic complexity of needs and processes at the same time, where the only method of determining success is outwitting mother nature who has already deemed the patient dead or permanently damaged meat.


Its just not the same, and to top it off you have to try to convince 12 elementary school dropouts looking to stick it to the 'man' about fine points of science and reality and probablility when these same jurors have been officially deemed too ignorant to obtain a free state issued picture ID.

In truth the doctors and nurses should all take a month or two off from their stations and duties at the same time and see what fun happens in their absence.
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I'm a year from my BSN and I have decided that I am going to be a mob doc. Cash payment, high-adrenaline work, and no questions.

Fuck tryin to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
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You have to really want to do it

from what I hear out there; most hospitals have NOT changed in these last 10 years and gotten worse.

They ask you to take care of too many patients; and most of the patients are much much sicker than in previous times.

The idiots on here who put nurses down ; just think they are going around and checking on blood pressures all night and day.

HELL NO!!!

they discharge these patients from the ICU s much earlier than in previous years for more revenue....


It is NOT unreasonable for a medical /surgical floor nurse to have 7 and 8 patients in some of the big hospitals.

And ...they are sick sick sick

I remember one Christmas season I worked I was giving blood on 4 of my patients at the same time..... had a few come back from

orthopedic surgery at the same time .....

Had one who was nuts and the psych ward didn't want him

he was a '''runner''' and biter

They threw an IV in him and sent him to the med surg unit....

he was found at 3 in the morning singing Christmas carols at the big tree down the street ; nude....

Nursing is NOT for the faint of heart

NOT NOT NOT

and anyone on here who can say the nurse should of done this and that

Has NO idea what a nurse does

They need to go and shadow a nurse for a shift and see for themselves

get an education


Few nurses get any support from upper management ; either


There are some good hospitals but they are few

few few few
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


And heavens....if one of your patients codes


all goes to hell and fast


You know what a code is??

A code is where you have to get to them ASAP and have

ABGs drawn , blood drawn, do compressions and use the code paddles

You have people come to help you who are from the CODE team but

it still consumes hours of your time

and what happens to the other 6 or 7 patients??

You have to organize and make sure they don't have problems

It is your responsibility


The idiots who produce these shows which show nurses flaunting around with big tits and so forth

gave nursing a bad name ; I would like to sue all of them
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They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57671618


When I was a floor nurse ; med surg ;step down ICU


I was asked to take care of 7 and 8 patients for a 12 hour period.

Many were very sick patients;

ivs, giving blood, on blood pressure drips, just back from surgery
doing through DTS

You try to operate in that kind of madness.

You are obviously NOT a nurse nor ever have been.


7 and 8 patients ; how can a human being keep track of all that

family would come in a fu** around all the time


If a nurse could clone herself a few times


Your an idiot and have NO idea what goes on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Just remember that the lawyer that sues you takes days to months on one case, takes time off on weekends and holidays, can demand an ex parte suspension of procedings, it rarely procedes for more than a few hours at a time, the lawyer picks and chooses whether he wants to bother taking the case and the judges are advocates for the attorney. In the end one sides lawyer or the other sides lawyer loses and then simply goes home to write up their bill.

How can someone that picks and chooses when, where and how long he works on one case at a time for days and even years, usually arguing about a short or otherwise limited time frame after the fact comprehend what its like to take all comers without choice, having to make choices about the entire process while juggling a dozen different cases in real time with the varying dynamic complexity of needs and processes at the same time, where the only method of determining success is outwitting mother nature who has already deemed the patient dead or permanently damaged meat.


Its just not the same, and to top it off you have to try to convince 12 elementary school dropouts looking to stick it to the 'man' about fine points of science and reality and probablility when these same jurors have been officially deemed too ignorant to obtain a free state issued picture ID.

In truth the doctors and nurses should all take a month or two off from their stations and duties at the same time and see what fun happens in their absence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


I was smart enough to get out of nursing.

I don't do that sh** now.

It was horrible. No help from the upper nursing management

I use to go home and cry

I would then go through my day(night) and rehash in my mind to make sure I didn't make a mistake.


It was NOT for me

I want to warn someone here

you have to really want to work in an environment where most of the '''team''' you work with will back stab you and give you little to no help and your patients are

sick sick sick

I had to take care of a vented patient once with 5 other patients on top of it....

Hell on earth


The hospitals in this country all need to be shut down and reorganized

a few at a time

get rid of the administration who sit around during the day and pick their noses and pull down big bucks

They need to make teams of nurses and doctors as the administrators who meet once or twice a week and discuss issues

I figured out a really good working Hospital plan

but no one cares
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They do come out worse than they went in because of the poor nurse patient ratios. They get malnutrition because their nurse doesn't have time to feed them because she is constantly dealing with multiple simultaneously emergencies and orders getting thrown at her. The get infected stage 4 pressure ulcers because they are not helped out of bed when their nurse cannot take the time to do it because she is overwhelmed with everything else going on.

Drug errors happen. We had a patient die because the family member of another patient was harassing his nurse while she was hanging a fentanyl drip. The drip got fucked up and infused to fast.

Not only are the RNs working short but too many patients and families see them as hospital waitresses who are there to provide service rather than seeing them as overwhelmed care providers who have too many life and death problems to deal with at once.

The guy who was harassing the nurse hanging the fentanyl drip followed her into another patient's room to harass her because his dad wasn't happy with his meal tray. He distracted the nurse and caused a death. Selfish fucker. Complain to the kitchen dumbass! Nurses have no control over the damn food trays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7191620


"The drip got fucked up and infused to fast."

WTF??? And they allowed the nurse to push the blame onto a family member of another patient when she was the only one with hands on the drip?

There is only one person to blame for that death and that is the nurse. If she doesn't have the presence of mind to handle critical procedures because of verbal interruptions than she can't handle the job. No one to blame except her! Hope the family of the dead patient sued but unfortunately they probably never knew the real cause.

I've known several nurses and it always seemed they blamed things on others - their supervisors, other nurses, the doctors, patients. Get real. That nurse killed that patient and not the family member of the other patient.

Unbelievable that anyone would blame anyone other than her!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57671618


When I was a floor nurse ; med surg ;step down ICU


I was asked to take care of 7 and 8 patients for a 12 hour period.

Many were very sick patients;

ivs, giving blood, on blood pressure drips, just back from surgery
doing through DTS

You try to operate in that kind of madness.

You are obviously NOT a nurse nor ever have been.


7 and 8 patients ; how can a human being keep track of all that

family would come in a fu** around all the time


If a nurse could clone herself a few times


Your an idiot and have NO idea what goes on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Just remember that the lawyer that sues you takes days to months on one case, takes time off on weekends and holidays, can demand an ex parte suspension of procedings, it rarely procedes for more than a few hours at a time, the lawyer picks and chooses whether he wants to bother taking the case and the judges are advocates for the attorney. In the end one sides lawyer or the other sides lawyer loses and then simply goes home to write up their bill.

How can someone that picks and chooses when, where and how long he works on one case at a time for days and even years, usually arguing about a short or otherwise limited time frame after the fact comprehend what its like to take all comers without choice, having to make choices about the entire process while juggling a dozen different cases in real time with the varying dynamic complexity of needs and processes at the same time, where the only method of determining success is outwitting mother nature who has already deemed the patient dead or permanently damaged meat.


Its just not the same, and to top it off you have to try to convince 12 elementary school dropouts looking to stick it to the 'man' about fine points of science and reality and probablility when these same jurors have been officially deemed too ignorant to obtain a free state issued picture ID.

In truth the doctors and nurses should all take a month or two off from their stations and duties at the same time and see what fun happens in their absence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


I would rather be a stocker at the local grocery store than go back to that nightmare. I don't have the personality. I was too afraid to make a mistake .....and having all that to deal with ....not a good set up

and Yes

nurses are treated like garbage...

There are some states that do have unions and it has improved for nurses

my state has tried 5 times to get a union and failed...
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Nurses should call hospital security if anybody gets in their face. Anybody wanting special help for their relative should be handing out $100 bills for the favor.
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Nurses should call hospital security if anybody gets in their face. Anybody wanting special help for their relative should be handing out $100 bills for the favor.
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Well security is getting cut because of the afa. That means we still have violent, confused, disorientated patients but no help when they are kicking the shit out of us.

And with the importance of press gainey in relation to hospital funding, we had better kiss ass even when they are giving us a gut punch because grandma was made to wait for something.
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I lived with a nurse, it sounded like hell on earth, women backstabbing and making each other miserable for no apparent reason other than establishing a pecking order, with all manner of abuse from below and above for the generous wage of oh maybe 40 grand, unless you became a professional asshole and go over to managment and become their bitch.
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I too am a healthcare provider. I can't feel too sorry for the Hospital systems. I believe they did most of this to themselves. They went right along with Obamacare. Come on, let's get realistic. How in the hell can any hospital justify charging 800.00 to 1200.00 dollars a day, on average, for just a room. Hell, I've thought many a time that if I had to stay in the hospital I'd rather stay at the Hyatt, pay my own nurse & get room service. The room would most assuredly be cleaner, the food better & I wouldn't have to wait for an hour to get a nurse to answer my call. It would be much quieter & I'd actually get some rest instead of listening to the loud cackling of several staff members discussing their personal lives!

Most Hospital staff today have no idea what the word "work" truly means. Sorry, but you've had it pretty easy. I've been around healthcare for over 35 years & patients haven't change much at all. We've always had those that there is just no helping them. You give them the info & realize that they have the right to make their own choices. End of story. When they have a stroke or a heart attack, believe me they do remember that they were informed & there is no one to blame but themselves. I've seen it time & time again.

Hospitals are just now being held accountable & having their reimbursement cut. Physicians have been dealing with this for years. I do agree the AMA is a piece of shit. AAPS (American Academy of Physicians & Surgeons)is fairly new & appears more in tune with reality.

There will always be sick people & their will always be those that are called to assist with caring for those sick people. Money or no money.

One more thing I'd like to add: I noted that many blame the physicians for the addiction of many people. Those of you who believe this premise need to investigate what addiction truly is. Addiction, like alcoholism is an illness. It's not caused by physicians with prescription pads. It's caused by a peculiar mental twist of those that can not control their use of alcohol or narcotics. It is an illness. It can be treated. AA & NA seem to be the best at treating this illness. It's like blaming McDonalds for everyone's obesity. No one is forcing you to buy that junk food.
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I'm a year from my BSN and I have decided that I am going to be a mob doc. Cash payment, high-adrenaline work, and no questions.

Fuck tryin to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
 Quoting: Lieutenant_Dan


You have to really want to do it

from what I hear out there; most hospitals have NOT changed in these last 10 years and gotten worse.

They ask you to take care of too many patients; and most of the patients are much much sicker than in previous times.

The idiots on here who put nurses down ; just think they are going around and checking on blood pressures all night and day.

HELL NO!!!

they discharge these patients from the ICU s much earlier than in previous years for more revenue....


It is NOT unreasonable for a medical /surgical floor nurse to have 7 and 8 patients in some of the big hospitals.

And ...they are sick sick sick

I remember one Christmas season I worked I was giving blood on 4 of my patients at the same time..... had a few come back from

orthopedic surgery at the same time .....

Had one who was nuts and the psych ward didn't want him

he was a '''runner''' and biter

They threw an IV in him and sent him to the med surg unit....

he was found at 3 in the morning singing Christmas carols at the big tree down the street ; nude....

Nursing is NOT for the faint of heart

NOT NOT NOT

and anyone on here who can say the nurse should of done this and that

Has NO idea what a nurse does

They need to go and shadow a nurse for a shift and see for themselves

get an education


Few nurses get any support from upper management ; either


There are some good hospitals but they are few

few few few
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


And heavens....if one of your patients codes


all goes to hell and fast


You know what a code is??

A code is where you have to get to them ASAP and have

ABGs drawn , blood drawn, do compressions and use the code paddles

You have people come to help you who are from the CODE team but

it still consumes hours of your time

and what happens to the other 6 or 7 patients??

You have to organize and make sure they don't have problems

It is your responsibility


The idiots who produce these shows which show nurses flaunting around with big tits and so forth

gave nursing a bad name ; I would like to sue all of them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Thanks for all of the advice, but you're preaching to the choir.

Some things you may not know about me: I am addicted to adrenaline rushes so med/surge is not for me. If I did choose to work in a big hospital, it would be big city ER, like Detroit or Chicago, with lots of trauma. That's why I'd rather be a "mob doctor".

Also, I am an Army Healthcare Specialist, or to put it plainly, "MEDIC!!!" so, GSW's are my specialty. So now that I think about it, Chicago's not right for me for 2nd Amendment reasons.
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I too am a healthcare provider. I can't feel too sorry for the Hospital systems. I believe they did most of this to themselves. They went right along with Obamacare. Come on, let's get realistic. How in the hell can any hospital justify charging 800.00 to 1200.00 dollars a day, on average, for just a room. Hell, I've thought many a time that if I had to stay in the hospital I'd rather stay at the Hyatt, pay my own nurse & get room service. The room would most assuredly be cleaner, the food better & I wouldn't have to wait for an hour to get a nurse to answer my call. It would be much quieter & I'd actually get some rest instead of listening to the loud cackling of several staff members discussing their personal lives!

Most Hospital staff today have no idea what the word "work" truly means. Sorry, but you've had it pretty easy. I've been around healthcare for over 35 years & patients haven't change much at all. We've always had those that there is just no helping them. You give them the info & realize that they have the right to make their own choices. End of story. When they have a stroke or a heart attack, believe me they do remember that they were informed & there is no one to blame but themselves. I've seen it time & time again.

Hospitals are just now being held accountable & having their reimbursement cut. Physicians have been dealing with this for years. I do agree the AMA is a piece of shit. AAPS (American Academy of Physicians & Surgeons)is fairly new & appears more in tune with reality.

There will always be sick people & their will always be those that are called to assist with caring for those sick people. Money or no money.

One more thing I'd like to add: I noted that many blame the physicians for the addiction of many people. Those of you who believe this premise need to investigate what addiction truly is. Addiction, like alcoholism is an illness. It's not caused by physicians with prescription pads. It's caused by a peculiar mental twist of those that can not control their use of alcohol or narcotics. It is an illness. It can be treated. AA & NA seem to be the best at treating this illness. It's like blaming McDonalds for everyone's obesity. No one is forcing you to buy that junk food.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14010048


There is no accountability, there is no allowance for Darwin to buff up the gene pool.

You can only increase the genetic load by punishing the healthy into ill health by forcing their earnings to benefit those who will not be responsible for themselves or the consequences of their choices to defer responsibility for their health to others and then expect perfection from others forced to administer in their place.

The medical field is nothing more than a profitable hunting ground for lawyers peddling the false premise of eternal life with proper medical care.
The hospital administrators are in one the deal.

Basically nobody is on the side of the providers, everyone expects to have their practitioner as their personal step-n-fetchit and reverse a lifetime of neglect and abuse during a comfortable and cheap overnight stay at some miracle hospital.
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^ There's nothing comfortable or cheap about a hospital stay, I dunno where you're getting that from.
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^ There's nothing comfortable or cheap about a hospital stay, I dunno where you're getting that from.
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Idiot, I'm talking about peoples fantasies of what they want, clearly not reality.

So why arent hospitals cheap?

It may have something to do with that they have to pay hundreds of highly trained people to be there each and every day waiting offering the latest treatments available.
It may have to do with the fact the expensive and specialized supplies and machinery required have to be there and working in order before they are ever required.

How many of you give your work away for free before ever finding out if you will ever get paid?

Not to many I reckon.
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^ There's nothing comfortable or cheap about a hospital stay, I dunno where you're getting that from.
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Idiot, I'm talking about peoples fantasies of what they want, clearly not reality.

So why arent hospitals cheap?

It may have something to do with that they have to pay hundreds of highly trained people to be there each and every day waiting offering the latest treatments available.
It may have to do with the fact the expensive and specialized supplies and machinery required have to be there and working in order before they are ever required.

How many of you give your work away for free before ever finding out if you will ever get paid?

Not to many I reckon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


Like I mentioned before, every single person on a commission based pay scale. For example, if you have a service route and are paid commission, you need to complete that route no matter what. If a customer on your route doesn't pay, you don't get paid.

If you are hourly and aren't being paid for hours you worked, you needed to file a grievance and take legal action.
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^ There's nothing comfortable or cheap about a hospital stay, I dunno where you're getting that from.
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Idiot, I'm talking about peoples fantasies of what they want, clearly not reality.

So why arent hospitals cheap?

It may have something to do with that they have to pay hundreds of highly trained people to be there each and every day waiting offering the latest treatments available.
It may have to do with the fact the expensive and specialized supplies and machinery required have to be there and working in order before they are ever required.

How many of you give your work away for free before ever finding out if you will ever get paid?

Not to many I reckon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058


Like I mentioned before, every single person on a commission based pay scale. For example, if you have a service route and are paid commission, you need to complete that route no matter what. If a customer on your route doesn't pay, you don't get paid.

If you are hourly and aren't being paid for hours you worked, you needed to file a grievance and take legal action.
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\\

file a grievance?
WITH WHO?
The guvmint which mandated you have to treat anyone that shows up for free?

You have no apparent clue about the consequences of being forced to work for free for some and then making it up by charging others double, for themselves and their assigned freeloaders.
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Real example from the past and the master/slave mentality:


I got off my 14 hour shift ; the worse yet. My white uniform had blood on it.... had to throw it away and wear a friends second pair of scrubs home. As I was getting into my ford fiesta....
... I saw '''Sarah'''' she got a job in hospital administration a few years ago. She now drives a BMW; covertible the newest model. She works 9 to 5... but who knows ; she makes her own hours....

She told me the other day they were considering downsizing the night nursing staff AGAIN for the 3rd time as they didn't believe night nurses worked

as hard a day nurses ;

and also, that night shift pay differential

will go away too for all night nursing staff in the hospital

The night nurses don't need it....


TRUE story
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Yep

this is a great example of the problem

greed, selfish greed

all true


the problem is huge and will never be fixed

because no one wants to address or tear down the real problems

the master /slave mentality

it goes on and on

endlessly
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


Well psychopath rule the world, these power hungry moral idiots will destroy
the whole humanity and themselves.
Are we gonna let them?
I don't think we have a slave mentality, it's a deception/manipulation of
the predatory race among us. Chemical lobotomy /w drugs is really distractive.

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