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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This nurse was more angel of death: Quoting: zenobiaphobia [link to www.abc22now.com] DAYTON — Two minutes after a nurse said she left for the evening, noting her 14-year-old patient was in good health with stable vital signs, fed and resting comfortably, the teen’s mother was on the phone to 911 saying her daughter was in distress. Thirty minutes later, Makayla Norman was dead, the victim of nutrition and medical neglect, according to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office. Most likely a nurse who came to loath her patients. She obviously didn't like them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57535260 United States 05/03/2014 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EMTALA should be cancelled because we now have Obamacare. Hospitals should no longer be forced to treat those without insurance. Illegals should be denied service. Years ago, there were "charity hospitals" to treat those who could not pay. This would bring healthcare costs way down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23436250 So agree with this. The uninsured and poor were not dying in the street before it became for them to turn people away. They just went to the welfare hospital instead. That's where you belong too if you are uninsured and cant afford to pay cash regardless of why you ended up in that boat. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19051875 United States 05/03/2014 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who do direct care are angels and do have one of the most difficult jobs. They have the lives of people in their hands and this put an element into it that is above and beyond other difficult jobs... Fire fighters as well |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058 If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead. Somehow, you never consider that, do you? Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue. Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it? See, this is the kind of lack of grasp on reality that has been repeatedly shown throughout this thread by nurses. I can't even bother...it's like explaining to a "special" politician. The disconnect is too great. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who do direct care are angels and do have one of the most difficult jobs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875 They have the lives of people in their hands and this put an element into it that is above and beyond other difficult jobs... Fire fighters as well Please don't put them in the same boat. Firefighters don't complain and whaa on forums about how hard their job is and how terrible their victims are. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058 If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead. Somehow, you never consider that, do you? Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue. Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it? Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital. When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19051875 United States 05/03/2014 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Firefighters also aren't very smart and don't function on the same level. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57660598 Firefighters bring in what they found and the nursing and doc staff have to put it back together... Nurses are angels and you have to really smart to be a GOOD direct care nurse. I don't care what the idiots spew GOOD, competent nurses are smart angels |
Vision Thing User ID: 56572304 United States 05/03/2014 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . . . my oldest, closest friend is an RN whose job is to call Medicaid patients who are foreign nationals, living in foreign countries to make sure that they are getting their follow up visits and medications. They were all signed up for this scam of a program when they visited the US and signed paperwork claiming to be refugees for political purposes, sought out medical treatment as indigents and returned to their home countries once treatment was provided. The system continues to pay for all of it, in fact it is so bad that these foreigners are given prescriptions for Tylenol so that Medicaid will pay for that too! Quoting: Just Me 24360701 My Buddy makes big bucks, the company he works for makes big bucks, and we pay for it all. The system is SO BROKEN that taxpaying American citizens actually hand out free medical treatments and drugs to foreigners living in foreign countries. Unbelievable! No shit, every day you hear something even more beyond belief than the day before. This just about tops the list of total bullshit backwards absurd and amoral crap I've ever heard. I wonder who even knows about this crap? I certainly never heard of it before. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42421044 United States 05/03/2014 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too! One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42421044 I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too! One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality! Oh, you mean like teachers? When they realize what their job entails, yeah, it would be hard to change jobs. I think the key here is the arrogance of the very loud mouthed nurses putting everyone else down. Like I said, it would be a definite time for a vaca for those nurses. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57504058 United States 05/03/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058 If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead. Somehow, you never consider that, do you? Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue. Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it? Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital. When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it. No, really next time you need anything, call your lawyer at midnight and have him work for your desires. Boycott evil doctors altogether. Hahaha, youre the clever fellow, teach the medical professionals a lesson and go straight to your lawyers, they will fix you right the first time. Lawyers never make a mistake, and they are there 24/7/365 just for your call. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19051875 United States 05/03/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42421044 I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too! One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality! Yes Only those who have been in the trenchens know what it is all about. I, however, did change my life. I got out of direct care and got an IT degree and now work in IT world. I was a nurse for a long time and got burned out. I took care of too many patients at one time ; as the hospital administration kept downsizing those in the key trench positions; the job become more and more dangerous for both the patient and the lisense. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058 If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead. Somehow, you never consider that, do you? Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue. Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it? Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital. When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it. No, really next time you need anything, call your lawyer at midnight and have him work for your desires. Boycott evil doctors altogether. Hahaha, youre the clever fellow, teach the medical professionals a lesson and go straight to your lawyers, they will fix you right the first time. Lawyers never make a mistake, and they are there 24/7/365 just for your call. Gibberish. I think you're on the wrong thread. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35992722 United States 05/03/2014 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take two patients the same age, gender, race, socioeconomic background, profession, medical history, etc. One of them likes to sit around and stuff ho-hos in his face and wash them down with soda and drive-thru burgers and fries. And don't forget the ice cream. God forbid he doesn't get the ice cream. His expectation is 'you fix it'. The other one more or less watches what he eats, gets at least a little exercise with a few outdoor hobbies, makes an effort to understand whatever his condition or complaint is, engages in a dialogue regarding treatment options. He has realistic goals set and expects that the treatment team will help him meet those goals. These two people could have the exact same life experiences, but personal drive means that A is a lazy slub and B isn't. Which one would you rather deal with? The vast majority of patients in my hospital are the type B. They are in and out and things usually go well. More and more, and younger and younger, are becoming A. Since people are determined to make this equivalent to other fields (and a huge lulz at that, having worked in two others) It's like asking a builder to build your dream home and then not giving any input as to what you want in your dream home. It's like just telling your gas plumber 'the house is leaking' and expecting them to find it, fix it, and do it in less than an hour, and he better not interrupt you while you're watching Judge Judy. It's like telling the engineer 'design the skyscraper tall and you have to use this steel', when the engineer is telling you loud and clear the steel you picked isn't up to the task. I love working direct patient care 99% of the time, even when the hours suck. It beats the hell out of working in a cube farm and way better than being stuck outside with the shovel. But that one percent...sweet mother it is enough to make you want to explode. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42421044 United States 05/03/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't try to make people who are not nurses understand. Experience is the only way to truly understand what a nurse's job is like these days. It didn't used to be like this. Nursing was rewarding some days, others, not so much, but at least there were the rewarding days to keep one going back to work with a smile and some love to give. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42421044 I understand you, and everything you said is true, but that's because I am a nurse. Best wishes to you in the frustrations to come! And don't forget that even if it is 1 in 1,000 patients...and/or family members...someone will appreciate what you have done for them. A smile can do so much for someone else too! One thing the non nurses here haven't considered, is that once you have an education in nursing and have spent your money and time getting it, you are not about to change your career! One has to actually make money to pay the bills! It is not your fault that you had no idea what the job truly entails! College does not give one a true experience of actually being a nurse! 90% of what you were forced to learn is useless! Hands-on is reality! Oh, you mean like teachers? When they realize what their job entails, yeah, it would be hard to change jobs. I think the key here is the arrogance of the very loud mouthed nurses putting everyone else down. Like I said, it would be a definite time for a vaca for those nurses. Oh, definitely! Teachers don't get to do what they really wanted to either! They deal with non compliant students and demanding parents who expect the teacher to impart knowledge into their kid's brain without anyone but the teacher doing the work! It is so unfair what is expected from a teacher! But it is a different type of frustration. You can, for example, put off grading tests, but a nurse walks onto a floor of complete chaos and many times can not even take a restroom break for 12 hours! They aren't the same, but they may both be thankless while miracles are expected from the teacher/nurse! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38067828 United States 05/03/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is described in the OP is exactly what Big Pharma wants. And actually the people the OP describes are insuring his/her job. Thing is, though, that the patients wouldn't be on so many drugs if the doctors weren't pushing the drugs on them. So why blame the patient? Blame the doctors. They are the ones to push the drugs for Big Pharma. OP is blaming the victims and not the criminals. I only go to doctors when I need confirmation of what is wrong. And the doctors I go to are only the doctors that allow me to try more natural treatments, once the ailment is identified, first rather than what Big Pharma has to offer. So far so good for me. There aren't too many doctors like that left because most are trained (along with nurses) by Big Pharma but there are some. But in the case of accidents and other emergencies requiring surgeries I admit I am glad the hospitals and the doctors & nurses in them are there. But for disease/illness I avoid hospitals like the plaque. It seems many people come out much worse than when they went in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lot's of jobs have the same thing. Customers you would rather encounter than others for personal bias reasons, like you're stating. How do I know it's personal bias? Because you don't know if there life history is the same. Not everything is written on a piece of paper for you to play jury and judge about whose deserving. The very fit 40 year old who has taken really good care of himself and has only a few set-backs in life or the 60 year old who started off with a poor history that no-one knows about and has overcome time and time again and has over-indulged in some pleasures to make his life somewhat enjoyable for the past 30 years. You really think you are the one who should be making judgement calls upon appearance and what's written on paper. Sorry, it seems not only do some docs have the God complex. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 7191620 United States 05/03/2014 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All I am saying that if highly educated health care professionals were allowed to charge like plumbers and babysitters do and were not forced to work extra without any pay so often YOU HEALTH CARE COSTS WOULD BE A HELL OF A LOT HIGHER. Hows about a little gratitude. Quoting: OP 7191620 You know how much the hospitals save by forcing RNs into unpaid, mandatory overtime? Those savings keep your medical bills lower. If you're on salary, them's the breaks. It's no different in any other industry. You want to talk about hard work? Try a draw against commission pay scale in blue collar fields. Oh please. Blue collar guys don't have life and death responsibility and don't work 15 hours straight without a sip of water or any kind of break. If I make a mistake in applying chemicals, people may very well die. If an electrician fucks up, people can die. If a framer fucks up, people can die. If a plumber fucks up on certain aspects, people can die slowly. The life and death responsibility is not as direct as yours, to be sure, but it is still there, and the importance to society no less. Btw, just so you don't have to climb down from your high horse to hear it, I'll remind you that you work inside, in a climate controlled facility. But these people you are describing are able to stay focused on what they are doing. Nurses have about 30 seconds to make a decision, do the math to titrate the cardiac drip and they have to get it right the first time. This is constant and you can bet your ass that while the nurse is calculating drips or trying to concentrate on what she is doing to avoid a mistake the family members of all her other patients will be in her face distracting, interrupting etc. It's like 10 things at once at all times and no chance to have like 10 noise free seconds to focus. If an electrician is working on a problem, he is just working on that problem and focused. He certainly doesn't have 20 psychos screaming in his face demanding service whilst he is trying to handle time sensitive stuff, and cardiac telemetry alarms signally another emergency blaring at him. |
ruser User ID: 2275761 United States 05/03/2014 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can confirm OP's description. Quoting: Anonymous Mom 2610156 I have current knowledge/experience in ER. I believe the main problem is that patients have no/limited financial responsibility (due to private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) for medical care. As a result, a $5,0000 trip to the ER has no cost. The same people come in over and over, seeking (and even demanding) drugs, attention, etc. We cannot refuse treatment. The icing on the cake is that the hospital's reimbursement from Medicare is tied to patient satisfaction. Unfortunately, the survey from the patient with the massive MI (heart attack) is given the same weight as the patient with unexplained pain requesting narcotics by brand name. Please try to know there are ligitimate pain patients. I had infection that got into my spinal fluid and ended up in er 4 times. Was admitted to the hospital and sent home over and over. They denied I was in pain! Yes I took 4 vicodon a day. I was treated terribly in er due to the fact I was on pain medication. Fever and chills got so bad I ended up getting mri and spinal tap. I had one doctor yell at me while taking a biopsy if I was faking? Exploratory surgery revealed gangrene and I almost died because of all the time it took to diagnose. It was due to a birth defect. I was treated badly because I was young and female and had unexplained pain. No I am not overweight a bit. Last Edited by ruser on 05/03/2014 05:21 PM ruser |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57504058 United States 05/03/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its one thing to work hard and take responsibility and a whole other situation to get judged against uninformed perfection and get screwed over by it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57504058 If you dont like doctors and nurses, see your lawyer for his treatments and ministrations instead. Somehow, you never consider that, do you? Most of you just show up and demand from others with not thought and no clue. Nobody makes you get in that ambulance, and that ambulance never takes you to a chiropractor or herbalist,does it? Okay, when a trucker ends up plowing over you because of those unrealistic metrics then you can tell everyone how unimportant his job was but instead, you and your family will be just like those you deal with in the hospital. When the gas man makes a mistake in the building next to you and boom goes your home, be sure to tell all the people he works with your problems with your job, that is, if you make it. No, really next time you need anything, call your lawyer at midnight and have him work for your desires. Boycott evil doctors altogether. Hahaha, youre the clever fellow, teach the medical professionals a lesson and go straight to your lawyers, they will fix you right the first time. Lawyers never make a mistake, and they are there 24/7/365 just for your call. Gibberish. I think you're on the wrong thread. So you say, I think you dont have the integrity to make your own decisions so you demand treatment and then bitch and complain about it, unaware that anything not considered routine will be attacked by lawyers claiming your practioner was simply experimenting on you. Really, tell the medics to fuck off, you will take care of yourself now, you dont need their factory medicine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2762571 United States 05/03/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ask why the people are making dumb choices. They are being blasted with advertising, cheap goods from China that were made using slave labor, unhealthy food supply, and uncaring officials only concerned with profits. That is why they are obese and addicted to drugs. They are dumbed down and incapable of logical reason. I have a few solutions... trade reform with CHINA. Also, instead of airing Dancing with the Stars and endless commercials.. why not air some real reality shows that address the issues that are listed in my first paragraph. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19051875 United States 05/03/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots of jobs have the same thing BUT NO job has the element of life and death as many nursing jobs do... You miss something as a nurse and it could mean death for the patient. Take a very unstable patient in the ICU The nurse must know her stuff; as in be smart and know what to look for if the patient begins to '''circle the drain'''' NO job other than nursing has life and death Nurses are the watchers of the critical care units and so forth... Without a competent, good nurse there willing to make sure you survive your stay in the ICU They will be putting 6 inches of dirt over you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54980830 United States 05/03/2014 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56842571 If you're on salary, them's the breaks. It's no different in any other industry. You want to talk about hard work? Try a draw against commission pay scale in blue collar fields. Oh please. Blue collar guys don't have life and death responsibility and don't work 15 hours straight without a sip of water or any kind of break. If I make a mistake in applying chemicals, people may very well die. If an electrician fucks up, people can die. If a framer fucks up, people can die. If a plumber fucks up on certain aspects, people can die slowly. The life and death responsibility is not as direct as yours, to be sure, but it is still there, and the importance to society no less. Btw, just so you don't have to climb down from your high horse to hear it, I'll remind you that you work inside, in a climate controlled facility. But these people you are describing are able to stay focused on what they are doing. Nurses have about 30 seconds to make a decision, do the math to titrate the cardiac drip and they have to get it right the first time. This is constant and you can bet your ass that while the nurse is calculating drips or trying to concentrate on what she is doing to avoid a mistake the family members of all her other patients will be in her face distracting, interrupting etc. It's like 10 things at once at all times and no chance to have like 10 noise free seconds to focus. If an electrician is working on a problem, he is just working on that problem and focused. He certainly doesn't have 20 psychos screaming in his face demanding service whilst he is trying to handle time sensitive stuff, and cardiac telemetry alarms signally another emergency blaring at him. but but but. op want all professions listed LOL |