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Is there a single "New-Ager"(people that think we're moving into the 4th dimension) that is a sane, rational person?

 
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Is there a single "New-Ager"(people that think we're moving into the 4th dimension) that is a sane, rational person?
I can't imagine an intelligent or rational person falling for all this "new-age" garbage(which is actually old-age, but no one seems to remember).

If you believe yourself to be intelligent or logical, please post here and explain why you believe all this hooplah without the SLIGHTEST bit of evidence?
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Great questiosn OP but I'm late for work, will respond to this later

BTW ... 4D is a fools paradise, it is 5D that is the real prize . . . it leads to genuine freedom.

got aloha
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you full of stir

are you a christian?
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stfu ya troll!
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New age BS = same old BS
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Oxymoron? Not to me. Strangely I have been interested in finding out what it is that I have inside me since I was 14. I am 34 now, and I have a pretty good idea of what I am. I am not so sure about the shifting into the fourth dimension thing, as I dont think the definition of dimentions is correct. But I have had some interesting first hand experiences, and I have dealt with them in a very scientific way. I know that i cant prove anything to others, and I dont even try.

Well thats all from this woo woo.
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Is there a single christian, muslim, whatever that is a sane, rational person??

Nope. believes are just that. believes. God/Allah/Zeus can't be proven to exist. (An 2000 year old book doesn't count.)

People come up with this shit, so they can have "followers"

The peace and love message sounds good to lots of people, so they embrace it, as their truth... Just like a religion.

fight

A sane, rational person is agnostic. imo
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Hey, while we're on the topic... is the Shut The Fuck Up Guy up above operating properly for you?

He seems to be abbreviating himself for some reason on my puter anyway. FIll me in.

stfu
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Ever wonder where/when the word belief came from?

It was after the christians destroyed TRUTH and had to replace it with BELIEF.

This will be going away soon, and yes we will be returnng to an age we have lived before. An age of truth. It matters not if you call it the 4th world(hopi) golden age(X-tian) or 5D new age it is all the same place and we are all on the same journey. What happens every 5k years is about to happen to you, you are about to go the way of the Maya, Aztecs and Incas.
You are about to know your true selves.

Some ahead, some behind but in the end it is where we will all end up before going back home to start the play over again.

Matter does not matter, soon you will not only understand that but will embrace it as your way of life.

If you want to get there sooner, tell yourself you would NEVER believe that statement and you will set in motion your expirence. <grin and a wink>

-IB
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I don't know about moving into a different dimension, it's as strange sounding as the rapture. But I do think it's possible that we are moving into an area in space where there is more energy, that it's cyclical and predictable. There are many legends in many cultures that indicate this has happened in the past.
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works ok for me. (can't make stfu much shorter :dunno:)
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Is there a sane, rational adult who hasn't noticed that the sun has become brighter in the last five yearts?

If you don't believe your own senses, are you sane and rational?

Since the sun is the most powerful energy manifestation in 3D, could it be connected to a dimension shift?
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Interesting definition for NewAger, OP.

Did you make it up yourself?
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I am already in the 4th dimension, but to be honest I cannot really go into the intricacies of how I got here on this forum, but suffice to say thaqt I am feeling very good about myself, it's wonderful here.
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I feel like anyone who follows their heart, their intuition, is more sane than any worldly materialistic sheep.

If you truly open up and follow your heart, you will see there is something happening. Ive gotten to the point where I can feel it now. Its just an anxious anticipation that is with me. I wake up in the morning feeling as tired as when I went to sleep. I have restless dreams but am unable to remember them. At least with enough detail to log them in my journal. Its the endless anticipation and the wait that is getting to me I think.
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Paradise,

Great! I've seen you around and can't wait to hear from you!

110279,

I don't see the relevance... I don't subscribe to any religion.

108660,

Your commentary is appreciated.

83389,

Word.

77653,

Power to you on your quest

2269,

Makes sense to me.

110286,

?

110281,

iwish

94722,

I agree with that possibility, but the new-age claim that this increase in energy will completely change our world and reality to such a great extent is completely ridiculous.

110293,

Yes, the sun has become brighter. Since we don't know why, the range of possibilities are endless and your presumptions are ill-founded.

103534,

Yes.

110295,

chorus

98008,

The supposed transformation is a construct of the mind, not the heart.

the "feeling" you describe is from the "heart" but unfortunately there's no way to extract verifiable information from this.

Anything beyond that "feeling"(which itself isn't verifiable) is conjecture and a waste of time.
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There are many definitions of new age so if you want people to answer truthfully you have to define this label you are putting out.

yes there are the kooky people and then
there are those of higher conscious awareness.
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There are many definitions of new age so if you want people to answer truthfully you have to define this label you are putting out.

yes there are the kooky people and then
there are those of higher conscious awareness.
 Quoting: roger 96486


The OP DID define in the thread title what he meant by a 'new ager'. Trouble is, the definition is absurdly too narrow!
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A lot of new-age ideas sound pretty crazy until you have enough background to understand them. It's that way with any belief system. I believe lots of things that would have sounded insane to me a few years ago. I just have gained the background and experiences to make sense of them now.

"New-age" is a lumped on label for a lot of ideas that have come into our awareness since the 1960's. It isn't one belief system but a bunch of ideas that people pick and choose from.

In the 60's (I believe.. not sure of actual dates...) The Catholic church opened some of its more esoteric teachings from their monastic and mystical traditions. Also the Dalai Lama came out of Tibet. Yogis began coming out of India and sharing teachings. A lot of these ideas are really old. If you look at ancient philosophers and mystics from lots of different cultures you find the same ideas. Many ideas that came from Native American and Eastern traditions were virtually unknown in the West until the 60's. What is new is that they are making their way out into the everyday world. In the 60's people brought back understandings from trips on LSD and nowadays we have lots of people "channeling" and bringing in intuitive information (with or without chemical aid,) the truth and usefulness of which hasn't proved out yet. That also gets lumped in with "new-age." Personally I like to give these kinds of ideas a few thousand years to simmer...

As far as the dimentional shift stuff... I kind of hope they're right but I don't really understand it yet.

I do believe everything is interconnected including us and the greater universe(s), so it makes sense to me that as our solar system moves deeper into a brighter more energetic part of the galaxy we would be affected by that.
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My appologies for not clarifying specifically whom I'm speaking of.

I consider a New-Ager to be those that gobble up everything the channelers and other unknown nefarious sources profess.

As the poster above me noted, all this new-age stuff has old universal ideas/truths at it's very core, but built around these ideas is a massive structure of pure bullshit.

Their methods seem so transparent that befuddles me how any sane rational person could buy into this stuff, and yet, it is amazingly widespread(I can't go 20 minutes without seeing the bullshit word "namaste")


I've asked a couple new-agers that appeared intelligent why they believe in these woo-woo claims and haven't gotten a straight answer.(they usually respond with something like "I can just feel it")
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We all have PTSD from alien/angelic encounters.
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Take notice especially of the last two lines here:

Second, the analysis of Councillor's, does not address the enormous suffering, physical, mental and metaphysical, which is endured by humans of good will each day for years on account of Cabal oppression and information-suppression: attacks, defamation, reviling, character-assassination, economic privation (e.g., lost jobs, promotions, ruinous lawsuits), loss of family consortium (spousal estrangement, alienation from other family unaccepting of UFO truth), and on a more societal level, the anomie, adrift condition, and lost sense of higher purpose that comes from Cabal reviling of any mention of cosmic connection,
AND THEIR DRUMBEAT INSISTENCE THAT THE MATERIALISTIC WORLD ON EARTH IS ALL THAT IS "REAL" AND WORTHY OF ATTENTION.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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people that think we're moving into the 4th dimension
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Well, off the top of my head, an indication that we're moving into the 4th dimension, so to speak would be geometry. When we see squares being formed by solar flares, squares being formed by weather phenomenons, category 5 hurricanes, all are indications of a higher dimension.

When we see East clashing with West, its a reflected indication of the state of the Earths magnetic fields which are being influenced by the planets mars and venus, east and west. When the field starts collapsing in the east and west it does a 90 degree angle to north and south, a realigning of the poles wouuld bring us out of this east west influence into the north south influence into the spiritual dimension, instead of the dimension of flesh. And so on and so forth.....
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dilitoriness,

Although that's very nice, it's irrelevant.

Power structures surpressing non-physical views does not mean we're ascending into a different dimension.

Although you might believe you know why "they" do this, perhaps for control, you don't really KNOW, it could be a safety issue for instance.


60764,

How do those phenomena indicate a higher dimension?

And what does that even mean, do you mean to say they indicate a higher dimension is somehow approaching?

Do solar flares and weather phenomena form squares in the 4th dimension?(this seems to be the implication you make, although you're extremely unclear so I may be wrong)
How do you know?

"When we see East clashing with West, its a reflected indication of the state of the Earths magnetic fields"

Where is your proof that the earth's magnetic field influences attitudes and actions of people?

"which are being influenced by the planets mars and venus,"

Uhhh, again, proof?

"When the field starts collapsing in the east and west it does a 90 degree angle to north and south, a realigning of the poles wouuld bring us out of this east west influence into the north south influence into the spiritual dimension, instead of the dimension of flesh. And so on and so forth....."

...

hf
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“I can't imagine an intelligent or rational person falling for all this "new-age" garbage(which is actually old-age, but no one seems to remember).

If you believe yourself to be intelligent or logical, please post here and explain why you believe all this hooplah without the SLIGHTEST bit of evidence?”

_______________________________________

I definitely understand your viewpoint; I had it to, until about tree years ago when “things” actually started to happen to me personally.

I’m a 54-year-old Scandinavian businessman – quite normal I suppose, but that was up to the point in time I refer to above. Well, most of those who know me, and new persons I meet even today, see me as.. well, simply a quite normal businessman.

However, never mind how incredible, super fantastic all this stuff about “first contact”
“ascension” etc, might sound – be prepared to soon face the truth in all this!

I have been picked up several times during the last couple of years, not by “greys”
but quite amazing, and extremely “nice” extraterrestrials. And, really, I’m probably one of the few who actually could have, at least one of the incidents confirmed, as I once was picket up together with my older brother – who always have refused to even discuss UFO’s, or anything spiritual.

He was chocked by the incident, while I was completely amazed, in a very positive manner. By the time that happened, I couldn’t understand why this completely
different reaction to the very same incident? I understand it better now, and I write this simply as it could be to your help - when it all starts. (And expect that to happen VERY soon)

You as well as everyone else WILL be briefed very clearly and specific about why you came here, the whole point with Earth and its surroundings. (This solar system)

There is with other words no need for me to go deeper in to all this, as I know you soon will get all information you possibly could ask for, first hand. But as I mentioned above – it is not a bad idea to already now start to play with the idea, that this actually could be true…

To at least make it “not completely impossible” as a true scenario, will make it easier on you – when it all starts.

Those guys are NOT evil – and if you just relax a look, you very soon will realise that fact. Well, if you hide under the pillow, completely confident that we are being invaded by evil aliens, that gone kill us all – boy, you are in for a nightmare.. And that’s because you will start to fight you very own personal demons, instead of looking at what actually are taking place.

So, when it all starts, relax and LOOK. Don’t try to spray bullets around you, but look at what they actually are DOING. Realise we wouldn’t stand a slightest chance to survive more that, perhaps some few years more, if those guys wasn’t to show up.

Our word are right now in the hands of very insane governments – not just in the US, but also in Russia, as well Europe and other spots around the globe. The situation
has gone out of control to a point that we desperately need a higher intelligence to put it all back again.

So be happy my friend – never mind how incredible this might sound… this is going to happen VERY, VERY soon!


There is a LOT about this on the net, things I didn’t know existed, when it all those encounters started to happen to me personally. By then, I looked all over the place to se is there was others that had experienced anything similar. I didn’t find much on that, but I found A LOT that was close, and in some occasions, more or less right down to it. (Regarding what is going to happen – on, above and… in Earth, etc. (oh yeas, you will
soon understand what I mean with “in”.)

There is really no need to dive to deep into all that is written about the ongoing, and coming scenario. However one thing I do recommend is to listen to the tapes and read the after texts on this:


(By the way, hope you were able to understand my Scandinavian mixed English.)

Good luck!

RL
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“I can't imagine an intelligent or rational person falling for all this "new-age" garbage(which is actually old-age, but no one seems to remember).

If you believe yourself to be intelligent or logical, please post here and explain why you believe all this hooplah without the SLIGHTEST bit of evidence?”

_______________________________________

I definitely understand your viewpoint; I had it to, until about tree years ago when “things” actually started to happen to me personally.

I’m a 54-year-old Scandinavian businessman – quite normal I suppose, but that was up to the point in time I refer to above. Well, most of those who know me, and new persons I meet even today, see me as.. well, simply a quite normal businessman.

However, never mind how incredible, super fantastic all this stuff about “first contact”
“ascension” etc, might sound – be prepared to soon face the truth in all this!

I have been picked up several times during the last couple of years, not by “greys”
but quite amazing, and extremely “nice” extraterrestrials. And, really, I’m probably one of the few who actually could have, at least one of the incidents confirmed, as I once was picket up together with my older brother – who always have refused to even discuss UFO’s, or anything spiritual.

He was chocked by the incident, while I was completely amazed, in a very positive manner. By the time that happened, I couldn’t understand why this completely
different reaction to the very same incident? I understand it better now, and I write this simply as it could be to your help - when it all starts. (And expect that to happen VERY soon)

You as well as everyone else WILL be briefed very clearly and specific about why you came here, the whole point with Earth and its surroundings. (This solar system)

There is with other words no need for me to go deeper in to all this, as I know you soon will get all information you possibly could ask for, first hand. But as I mentioned above – it is not a bad idea to already now start to play with the idea, that this actually could be true…

To at least make it “not completely impossible” as a true scenario, will make it easier on you – when it all starts.

Those guys are NOT evil – and if you just relax a look, you very soon will realise that fact. Well, if you hide under the pillow, completely confident that we are being invaded by evil aliens, that gone kill us all – boy, you are in for a nightmare.. And that’s because you will start to fight you very own personal demons, instead of looking at what actually are taking place.

So, when it all starts, relax and LOOK. Don’t try to spray bullets around you, but look at what they actually are DOING. Realise we wouldn’t stand a slightest chance to survive more that, perhaps some few years more, if those guys wasn’t to show up.

Our word are right now in the hands of very insane governments – not just in the US, but also in Russia, as well Europe and other spots around the globe. The situation
has gone out of control to a point that we desperately need a higher intelligence to put it all back again.

So be happy my friend – never mind how incredible this might sound… this is going to happen VERY, VERY soon!


There is a LOT about this on the net, things I didn’t know existed, when it all those encounters started to happen to me personally. By then, I looked all over the place to se is there was others that had experienced anything similar. I didn’t find much on that, but I found A LOT that was close, and in some occasions, more or less right down to it. (Regarding what is going to happen – on, above and… in Earth, etc. (oh yeas, you will
soon understand what I mean with “in”.)

There is really no need to dive to deep into all that is written about the ongoing, and coming scenario. However one thing I do recommend is to listen to the tapes and read the after texts on this:
[link to video.google.com]

(By the way, hope you were able to understand my Scandinavian mixed English.)

Good luck!

RL
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Surely the fundamental belief of the New Age is 'Everything is Energy', OP. So, what's the problem?

We are made of the same stuff as the stars.

I'm more woo woo than the average because I believe the universe is within me and God/me/you/All is One.
Oh yes, and it's all an Illusion cos this body is a hologram, if that helps.

I'm pretty rational, logical and practical, too. spock
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Can you please give me a brief summary of what the videos are about? It's quite long.

Thanks for posting.
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What's so amazing about "everything is energy"?

Was it amazing when "everything is atoms" or "everything is wind/water/fire/earth"?

I don't see the relevance anyway
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*when it was...
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RL Lovely post, thank you.

'Ascending into the next dimension' simply means our consciousness is expanding.

At the moment, we are limited to sensing energy (and matter - same energy vibrating slower) with our five senses. Our eyes see only through the Brain/Mind/Belief System filters. These filters are being removed, the veil between realities is thinning and we shall soon perceive energy differently.

Belief systems which are limiting are being shed. We become more open-minded.

It;s like the spectrum....we all see varying degress of the spectrum because we all detect different frequencies of vibration.

The universe is vibration, sound, if you like, and all matter is made of atoms which vibrate at different speeds (now it's being proven that tiny quanta can be particles or waves, depending on who is viewing it).

When we raise consciousness, we will become 'lighter' and will manifest our thoughts quicker, our bodies will walk through walls and we will fly....if we want to, that is.

NOW, HOW WOO WOO IS THAT! lol! angryface
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