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I found a false prophecy in the bible.
Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".

But that is against God's law in this wise :
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth it man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD".

So then this prophecy makes the word of God null for it says a thing contrary to the Law. God does not want a man trusting anyone, but Him. Even the prophet Paul agrees or rather the Spirit commanding God's people "test all things".

A man that trusts another man is a fool for that man is able to be lead without testing. For he who trust also has, contrary to the law, respect of persons saying to himself " I trust because he/she is my wife, is my brother, is my doctor, is older than me, has done this before, is a good man, is an honest man, is my sister, is my best friend, is my pastor, is a prophet, is my dad/mom, has never steered me wrong before.y
So then it is against the law to trust and he who trust turns his heart from God. For if you trust man in the least of those things then how can you also trust God?
If I trust my pastor for sound teaching why do I need God? If I trust my wife for riches why do I need God?

There is no man who trusts another man who trusts God as he aught. And every man who trusts another man has turned from God.

It is even that if a man trusts in his wife so that he has no need of riches that he makes the word of God vain. For this God said of the matter "But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day". He did not say remember your wife for with her you shall have no need of the rewards I will give you.

This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

There are other things wrong with it, but these are the main contentions.
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Nope. That is the hypocritical excuse of men who do not understand that wisdom is always true and the same since the beginning of time until forever and ever.
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Nope. That is the hypocritical excuse of men who do not understand that wisdom is always true and the same since the beginning of time until forever and ever.
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Nope. That is the hypocritical excuse of men who do not understand that wisdom is always true and the same since the beginning of time until forever and ever.
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according to your experience and perceptions
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Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".



This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


Use a more literal translation:
"The heart of her husband confideth in her, and he shall have no lack of spoil."
Genesis-Acts,Hebrews-Revelation to, you know who
Romans-Philemon to the Church
Mid-Acts Pauline Dispensational Right Division
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ALL of the The Bible is false...sorry
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I found a false eyelash the other night in a pub bog.
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At least you're reading the word of God.
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Re: I found a false prophecy in the bible.
Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".



This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


Use a more literal translation:
"The heart of her husband confideth in her, and he shall have no lack of spoil."
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It doesn't matter how you spin it. It is false.
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Nope. That is the hypocritical excuse of men who do not understand that wisdom is always true and the same since the beginning of time until forever and ever.
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according to your experience and perceptions
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And your perception is more accurate? How do you know?
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Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".

But that is against God's law in this wise :
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth it man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD".


So then this prophecy makes the word of God null for it says a thing contrary to the Law. God does not want a man trusting anyone, but Him. Even the prophet Paul agrees or rather the Spirit commanding God's people "test all things".

A man that trusts another man is a fool for that man is able to be lead without testing. For he who trust also has, contrary to the law, respect of persons saying to himself " I trust because he/she is my wife, is my brother, is my doctor, is older than me, has done this before, is a good man, is an honest man, is my sister, is my best friend, is my pastor, is a prophet, is my dad/mom, has never steered me wrong before.y
So then it is against the law to trust and he who trust turns his heart from God. For if you trust man in the least of those things then how can you also trust God?
If I trust my pastor for sound teaching why do I need God? If I trust my wife for riches why do I need God?

There is no man who trusts another man who trusts God as he aught. And every man who trusts another man has turned from God.

It is even that if a man trusts in his wife so that he has no need of riches that he makes the word of God vain. For this God said of the matter "But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day". He did not say remember your wife for with her you shall have no need of the rewards I will give you.

This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

There are other things wrong with it, but these are the main contentions.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


Read the text I made bold. The man is cursed if he is to trust man above God, the second is to make his flesh his strength and the third is to have his heart depart from God. In proverbs 31 there is only mentioned trusting a person and other conditions are not met. This is not a contradiction.
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It is no contradiction.

What I have found over the years is that it is *always* my own flawed perspective and understanding lacking wisdom when I find a perceived contradiction.

To answer this one is easy:

The man that trusts in his wife's hard work will be blessed in his life and happiness will abound in his home. He is *not* trusting her for eternal salvation. This is the proper understanding of King Lemuel's mother 's proverb. The context of the verse is not salvation or eternity, but rather earthly living.

The other verse you speak of is *clearly* talking about eternal salvation. You have a man that forsakes the LORD, there is mention of "making flesh his arm"; as in arm of salvation. The man that is cursed is the one that will put away trusting in the LORD in order to gain worldly treasures and consume it upon his lusts; even at the cost of his eternal soul!

Context, context, context!

No contradiction at all...
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Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".

But that is against God's law in this wise :
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth it man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD".


So then this prophecy makes the word of God null for it says a thing contrary to the Law. God does not want a man trusting anyone, but Him. Even the prophet Paul agrees or rather the Spirit commanding God's people "test all things".

A man that trusts another man is a fool for that man is able to be lead without testing. For he who trust also has, contrary to the law, respect of persons saying to himself " I trust because he/she is my wife, is my brother, is my doctor, is older than me, has done this before, is a good man, is an honest man, is my sister, is my best friend, is my pastor, is a prophet, is my dad/mom, has never steered me wrong before.y
So then it is against the law to trust and he who trust turns his heart from God. For if you trust man in the least of those things then how can you also trust God?
If I trust my pastor for sound teaching why do I need God? If I trust my wife for riches why do I need God?

There is no man who trusts another man who trusts God as he aught. And every man who trusts another man has turned from God.

It is even that if a man trusts in his wife so that he has no need of riches that he makes the word of God vain. For this God said of the matter "But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day". He did not say remember your wife for with her you shall have no need of the rewards I will give you.

This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

There are other things wrong with it, but these are the main contentions.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


Read the text I made bold. The man is cursed if he is to trust man above God, the second is to make his flesh his strength and the third is to have his heart depart from God. In proverbs 31 there is only mentioned trusting a person and other conditions are not met. This is not a contradiction.
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No, these are not conditions. You do not understand wisdom.
Each of these things are wrong to do and against the law. You can not trust man and God be happy with you.
You can not remove your heart from Him and God be happy with you.
You can not make man your strength and God be happy with you.
Each are sins, but with trust you do all at once.

It is the same as rebellion being reguarded as witchcraft. For wisdom is always true and always the same.
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Ney, none of you understand God. Nor do you understand wisdom.

God works in absolutes for His word IS absolute.

There is no man who trusts in anything or anyone who has not made that thing their strength.

For if I trust in my wife for for comfort I have put her above God. If she provides comfort I have no need of Him.

If I trust a pastor to guide me to knowledge then I have made the pastor my strength. I have no more need of God if the pastor provides.

On and on and on.....

The prophecy says nothing of salvation.

And I said to you that you do not understand wisdom.
For wisdom is the strength of salvation and every word of God is wise. So then every word of God which He speaks Himself or another is for the sake of salvation, the eternal. Therefore if this prophecy is of God then it is wise and for salvation for it's wisdom is the strength thereof.

This prophecy is false.
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Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".

But that is against God's law in this wise :
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth it man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD".


So then this prophecy makes the word of God null for it says a thing contrary to the Law. God does not want a man trusting anyone, but Him. Even the prophet Paul agrees or rather the Spirit commanding God's people "test all things".

A man that trusts another man is a fool for that man is able to be lead without testing. For he who trust also has, contrary to the law, respect of persons saying to himself " I trust because he/she is my wife, is my brother, is my doctor, is older than me, has done this before, is a good man, is an honest man, is my sister, is my best friend, is my pastor, is a prophet, is my dad/mom, has never steered me wrong before.y
So then it is against the law to trust and he who trust turns his heart from God. For if you trust man in the least of those things then how can you also trust God?
If I trust my pastor for sound teaching why do I need God? If I trust my wife for riches why do I need God?

There is no man who trusts another man who trusts God as he aught. And every man who trusts another man has turned from God.

It is even that if a man trusts in his wife so that he has no need of riches that he makes the word of God vain. For this God said of the matter "But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day". He did not say remember your wife for with her you shall have no need of the rewards I will give you.

This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

There are other things wrong with it, but these are the main contentions.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


Read the text I made bold. The man is cursed if he is to trust man above God, the second is to make his flesh his strength and the third is to have his heart depart from God. In proverbs 31 there is only mentioned trusting a person and other conditions are not met. This is not a contradiction.
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No, these are not conditions. You do not understand wisdom.
Each of these things are wrong to do and against the law. You can not trust man and God be happy with you.
You can not remove your heart from Him and God be happy with you.
You can not make man your strength and God be happy with you.
Each are sins, but with trust you do all at once.

It is the same as rebellion being reguarded as witchcraft. For wisdom is always true and always the same.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


I do not understand wisdom? Excuse me but I cannot for the life of me see how my earlier statement can in anyway reach to that conclusion. You may say that I lack wisdom, but trust me I have a firm grasp of the concept of wisdom.

You proposing that since each of these conditions are sinful that means that the man that does anyone of them is cursed. OK, I'll play along. The problem here is that in that quote you cited the only "sin" that person made is trusting another person. Here is a clear difference in our views, I see that trusting a person above trusting God is sinful but when I read your reply you seem to be of the impression that simply trusting a man is sinful.

If it's entirely wrong to trust another person then how do you explain these verses?

Here is an example of God being alright with his people trusting in Moses:
Exodus 19 - 9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the Lord what the people had said.

Here is a verse that implies that trustworthy people exists:
Proverbs 11 - 13 A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy person keeps a secret.

Here is a verse that says God delights in trustworthy people:
Proverbs 12 - 22 The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy.

Here is a verse that says that Daniel is trustworthy:
Daniel 6 - 4 At this, the administrators and the satraps tried to find grounds for charges against Daniel in his conduct of government affairs, but they were unable to do so. They could find no corruption in him, because he was trustworthy and neither corrupt nor negligent.

I've showed that the bible itself does describe some people of being trustworthy. Is it a sin to trust someone that is trustworthy? No, it's not, God himself was alright with people trusting in Moses. However if we were to trust men above God then we would be in error. You must show how proverbs 31 is saying that it's okay with trusting men above God or that trusting men is entirely sinful.

BTW proverbs 31 is not a prophecy.
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RELIGIOUS OP,

STOP ACTING LIKE A DILDO.
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Sure ya did bub! Sure ya did!
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Disprove the plagues that are happening to you right now?


Good luck...

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Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".

But that is against God's law in this wise :
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth it man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD".


So then this prophecy makes the word of God null for it says a thing contrary to the Law. God does not want a man trusting anyone, but Him. Even the prophet Paul agrees or rather the Spirit commanding God's people "test all things".

A man that trusts another man is a fool for that man is able to be lead without testing. For he who trust also has, contrary to the law, respect of persons saying to himself " I trust because he/she is my wife, is my brother, is my doctor, is older than me, has done this before, is a good man, is an honest man, is my sister, is my best friend, is my pastor, is a prophet, is my dad/mom, has never steered me wrong before.y
So then it is against the law to trust and he who trust turns his heart from God. For if you trust man in the least of those things then how can you also trust God?
If I trust my pastor for sound teaching why do I need God? If I trust my wife for riches why do I need God?

There is no man who trusts another man who trusts God as he aught. And every man who trusts another man has turned from God.

It is even that if a man trusts in his wife so that he has no need of riches that he makes the word of God vain. For this God said of the matter "But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day". He did not say remember your wife for with her you shall have no need of the rewards I will give you.

This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

There are other things wrong with it, but these are the main contentions.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


Read the text I made bold. The man is cursed if he is to trust man above God, the second is to make his flesh his strength and the third is to have his heart depart from God. In proverbs 31 there is only mentioned trusting a person and other conditions are not met. This is not a contradiction.
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No, these are not conditions. You do not understand wisdom.
Each of these things are wrong to do and against the law. You can not trust man and God be happy with you.
You can not remove your heart from Him and God be happy with you.
You can not make man your strength and God be happy with you.
Each are sins, but with trust you do all at once.

It is the same as rebellion being reguarded as witchcraft. For wisdom is always true and always the same.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


I do not understand wisdom? Excuse me but I cannot for the life of me see how my earlier statement can in anyway reach to that conclusion. You may say that I lack wisdom, but trust me I have a firm grasp of the concept of wisdom.

You proposing that since each of these conditions are sinful that means that the man that does anyone of them is cursed. OK, I'll play along. The problem here is that in that quote you cited the only "sin" that person made is trusting another person. Here is a clear difference in our views, I see that trusting a person above trusting God is sinful but when I read your reply you seem to be of the impression that simply trusting a man is sinful.

If it's entirely wrong to trust another person then how do you explain these verses?

Here is an example of God being alright with his people trusting in Moses:
Exodus 19 - 9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the Lord what the people had said.

Here is a verse that implies that trustworthy people exists:
Proverbs 11 - 13 A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy person keeps a secret.

Here is a verse that says God delights in trustworthy people:
Proverbs 12 - 22 The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy.

Here is a verse that says that Daniel is trustworthy:
Daniel 6 - 4 At this, the administrators and the satraps tried to find grounds for charges against Daniel in his conduct of government affairs, but they were unable to do so. They could find no corruption in him, because he was trustworthy and neither corrupt nor negligent.

I've showed that the bible itself does describe some people of being trustworthy. Is it a sin to trust someone that is trustworthy? No, it's not, God himself was alright with people trusting in Moses. However if we were to trust men above God then we would be in error. You must show how proverbs 31 is saying that it's okay with trusting men above God or that trusting men is entirely.

BTW proverbs 31 is not a prophecy.
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The people trusted in Moses to a fault. Many times it is written that a certain man did a thing and it is not written that the thing which he did was wrong.

If it is against the law to trust then the Lord made a statement of truth and not of praise.

You do not understand wisdom. For if you did then you would know of Solomon's counsel in this wise:
"12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.

13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?

So then he that multiplies words is a fool. He that has multiple definitions for one word is a fool. He that has multiple words for one definition is a fool. And he that uses these foolish things in God's word makes the word of God vain.

Thus the Lord scattered the people at babel by multiplying their words and making them foolish.
And the devil also does this and it is the reason the world has so many translations of the same bible and many denominations.

Thus you gave me foolish translations whose words make God's law vain. The verses you gave should read thusly
A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.

The verses you gave make the word of God vain. So I will say it again if you trust in anyone or anything other than God you have no need for Him because you testify that that thing in which you trust is providing your necessity. That is why the Lord hates idols.

Proverbs 31 is indeed a prophecy it is said in verse 1.
The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.

It is the false prophecy of every wise wife or woman.
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Read the text I made bold. The man is cursed if he is to trust man above God, the second is to make his flesh his strength and the third is to have his heart depart from God. In proverbs 31 there is only mentioned trusting a person and other conditions are not met. This is not a contradiction.
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No, these are not conditions. You do not understand wisdom.
Each of these things are wrong to do and against the law. You can not trust man and God be happy with you.
You can not remove your heart from Him and God be happy with you.
You can not make man your strength and God be happy with you.
Each are sins, but with trust you do all at once.

It is the same as rebellion being reguarded as witchcraft. For wisdom is always true and always the same.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


I do not understand wisdom? Excuse me but I cannot for the life of me see how my earlier statement can in anyway reach to that conclusion. You may say that I lack wisdom, but trust me I have a firm grasp of the concept of wisdom.

You proposing that since each of these conditions are sinful that means that the man that does anyone of them is cursed. OK, I'll play along. The problem here is that in that quote you cited the only "sin" that person made is trusting another person. Here is a clear difference in our views, I see that trusting a person above trusting God is sinful but when I read your reply you seem to be of the impression that simply trusting a man is sinful.

If it's entirely wrong to trust another person then how do you explain these verses?

Here is an example of God being alright with his people trusting in Moses:
Exodus 19 - 9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the Lord what the people had said.

Here is a verse that implies that trustworthy people exists:
Proverbs 11 - 13 A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy person keeps a secret.

Here is a verse that says God delights in trustworthy people:
Proverbs 12 - 22 The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy.

Here is a verse that says that Daniel is trustworthy:
Daniel 6 - 4 At this, the administrators and the satraps tried to find grounds for charges against Daniel in his conduct of government affairs, but they were unable to do so. They could find no corruption in him, because he was trustworthy and neither corrupt nor negligent.

I've showed that the bible itself does describe some people of being trustworthy. Is it a sin to trust someone that is trustworthy? No, it's not, God himself was alright with people trusting in Moses. However if we were to trust men above God then we would be in error. You must show how proverbs 31 is saying that it's okay with trusting men above God or that trusting men is entirely.

BTW proverbs 31 is not a prophecy.
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The people trusted in Moses to a fault. Many times it is written that a certain man did a thing and it is not written that the thing which he did was wrong.

If it is against the law to trust then the Lord made a statement of truth and not of praise.

You do not understand wisdom. For if you did then you would know of Solomon's counsel in this wise:
"12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.

13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?

So then he that multiplies words is a fool. He that has multiple definitions for one word is a fool. He that has multiple words for one definition is a fool. And he that uses these foolish things in God's word makes the word of God vain.

Thus the Lord scattered the people at babel by multiplying their words and making them foolish.
And the devil also does this and it is the reason the world has so many translations of the same bible and many denominations.

Thus you gave me foolish translations whose words make God's law vain. The verses you gave should read thusly
A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.

The verses you gave make the word of God vain. So I will say it again if you trust in anyone or anything other than God you have no need for Him because you testify that that thing in which you trust is providing your necessity. That is why the Lord hates idols.

Proverbs 31 is indeed a prophecy it is said in verse 1.
The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.

It is the false prophecy of every wise wife or woman.
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"A prophecy of every wise wife or woman"? I think you and I have different ideas of what a prophecy is. Some translations translate that verse to a "saying" instead of "prophecy" or "oracle". When I read that chapter I believe the word "saying" is more applicable.

In the quote I set some text to bold that bothered me. It seems you do not understand my position on this matter. I believe that men should trust God above men however there are circumstances in which men can trust one another. We all trust each other to an extend, e.g. we buy our food without food tasters checking for poisoning. Why do you think this is? That's because a world where everyone doesn't trust anyone paranoia is rampant. For the sake of our own sanity, we take our chances at trusting people we may not personally know. We also trust people who have proven themselves to be trusting yet these same may in the end betray our trust. Ultimately it's only God can be trusted because he is who he'll always be. I do not believe that the act of trusting someone is sinful, only in the case when we trust God less than our fellow man.

I will not go into a debate of who has the correct translation and will not stoop to your level of belittling you if you have a different translation. I do not put my trust in the bible, I trust that my lord has answered my prayer that he will reveal the truth to me someday. If I am wrong, it simply means God has yet to reveal it to me.
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OP wins!

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There is no Jesus!

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You are now free to be as evil as you desire without consequence!
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OP wins!

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There is no Jesus!

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you will receive much from your time spent in the upcoming Age of teaching

whereupon no stone will remain unturned in and toward your full edification as per the truth of all those matters which remain fuzzy in your apparent field of view
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No, these are not conditions. You do not understand wisdom.
Each of these things are wrong to do and against the law. You can not trust man and God be happy with you.
You can not remove your heart from Him and God be happy with you.
You can not make man your strength and God be happy with you.
Each are sins, but with trust you do all at once.

It is the same as rebellion being reguarded as witchcraft. For wisdom is always true and always the same.
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I do not understand wisdom? Excuse me but I cannot for the life of me see how my earlier statement can in anyway reach to that conclusion. You may say that I lack wisdom, but trust me I have a firm grasp of the concept of wisdom.

You proposing that since each of these conditions are sinful that means that the man that does anyone of them is cursed. OK, I'll play along. The problem here is that in that quote you cited the only "sin" that person made is trusting another person. Here is a clear difference in our views, I see that trusting a person above trusting God is sinful but when I read your reply you seem to be of the impression that simply trusting a man is sinful.

If it's entirely wrong to trust another person then how do you explain these verses?

Here is an example of God being alright with his people trusting in Moses:
Exodus 19 - 9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the Lord what the people had said.

Here is a verse that implies that trustworthy people exists:
Proverbs 11 - 13 A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy person keeps a secret.

Here is a verse that says God delights in trustworthy people:
Proverbs 12 - 22 The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy.

Here is a verse that says that Daniel is trustworthy:
Daniel 6 - 4 At this, the administrators and the satraps tried to find grounds for charges against Daniel in his conduct of government affairs, but they were unable to do so. They could find no corruption in him, because he was trustworthy and neither corrupt nor negligent.

I've showed that the bible itself does describe some people of being trustworthy. Is it a sin to trust someone that is trustworthy? No, it's not, God himself was alright with people trusting in Moses. However if we were to trust men above God then we would be in error. You must show how proverbs 31 is saying that it's okay with trusting men above God or that trusting men is entirely.

BTW proverbs 31 is not a prophecy.
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The people trusted in Moses to a fault. Many times it is written that a certain man did a thing and it is not written that the thing which he did was wrong.

If it is against the law to trust then the Lord made a statement of truth and not of praise.

You do not understand wisdom. For if you did then you would know of Solomon's counsel in this wise:
"12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.

13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?

So then he that multiplies words is a fool. He that has multiple definitions for one word is a fool. He that has multiple words for one definition is a fool. And he that uses these foolish things in God's word makes the word of God vain.

Thus the Lord scattered the people at babel by multiplying their words and making them foolish.
And the devil also does this and it is the reason the world has so many translations of the same bible and many denominations.

Thus you gave me foolish translations whose words make God's law vain. The verses you gave should read thusly
A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.

The verses you gave make the word of God vain. So I will say it again if you trust in anyone or anything other than God you have no need for Him because you testify that that thing in which you trust is providing your necessity. That is why the Lord hates idols.

Proverbs 31 is indeed a prophecy it is said in verse 1.
The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.

It is the false prophecy of every wise wife or woman.
 Quoting: Redonious 55012589


"A prophecy of every wise wife or woman"? I think you and I have different ideas of what a prophecy is. Some translations translate that verse to a "saying" instead of "prophecy" or "oracle". When I read that chapter I believe the word "saying" is more applicable.

In the quote I set some text to bold that bothered me. It seems you do not understand my position on this matter. I believe that men should trust God above men however there are circumstances in which men can trust one another. We all trust each other to an extend, e.g. we buy our food without food tasters checking for poisoning. Why do you think this is? That's because a world where everyone doesn't trust anyone paranoia is rampant. For the sake of our own sanity, we take our chances at trusting people we may not personally know. We also trust people who have proven themselves to be trusting yet these same may in the end betray our trust. Ultimately it's only God can be trusted because he is who he'll always be. I do not believe that the act of trusting someone is sinful, only in the case when we trust God less than our fellow man.

I will not go into a debate of who has the correct translation and will not stoop to your level of belittling you if you have a different translation. I do not put my trust in the bible, I trust that my lord has answered my prayer that he will reveal the truth to me someday. If I am wrong, it simply means God has yet to reveal it to me.
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Men of God do not take chances, we test all things.
Take your beating and ask God if I am correct. If you are his He will tell you yey or ney and explain why my words are so harsh.
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OP wins!

OP is the smartest and the greatest of me!

There is no Jesus!

There is no God!

You are now free to be as evil as you desire without consequence!
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All glory be to God. Though because this prophecy is false it does not mean God or the rest of the bible is false.
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ALL of the The Bible is false...sorry
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None of it is false.

Besides you a proven to be a liar when you say all.

Here's a truth:
Proverbs 30:33 Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood: so the forcing of wrath bringeth forth strife.

if you were here I would wring your nose to prove it :D
Norwegian liars, go away.
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OP wins!

OP is the smartest and the greatest of me!

There is no Jesus!

There is no God!

You are now free to be as evil as you desire without consequence!
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All glory be to God. Though because this prophecy is false it does not mean God or the rest of the bible is false.
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What the heck are you talking about? You didn't prove a thing other than that you're a wolf. Go away before some real hurt will befall you. This is a warning you should seriously take.
Get saved wretch: [link to biblebelievers.com]
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Proverbs 31 is the false.
It is the prophecy of king Lemuel's mother and she says "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil".

But that is against God's law in this wise :
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth it man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD".

So then this prophecy makes the word of God null for it says a thing contrary to the Law. God does not want a man trusting anyone, but Him. Even the prophet Paul agrees or rather the Spirit commanding God's people "test all things".

A man that trusts another man is a fool for that man is able to be lead without testing. For he who trust also has, contrary to the law, respect of persons saying to himself " I trust because he/she is my wife, is my brother, is my doctor, is older than me, has done this before, is a good man, is an honest man, is my sister, is my best friend, is my pastor, is a prophet, is my dad/mom, has never steered me wrong before.y
So then it is against the law to trust and he who trust turns his heart from God. For if you trust man in the least of those things then how can you also trust God?
If I trust my pastor for sound teaching why do I need God? If I trust my wife for riches why do I need God?

There is no man who trusts another man who trusts God as he aught. And every man who trusts another man has turned from God.

It is even that if a man trusts in his wife so that he has no need of riches that he makes the word of God vain. For this God said of the matter "But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day". He did not say remember your wife for with her you shall have no need of the rewards I will give you.

This prophecy is even an insult to the warriors of ancient days, our brothers and fathers, whom the Lord gave the spoil for equal division after war.

There are other things wrong with it, but these are the main contentions.
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I think I can get you booked next week on the 700 club! right after the faith healing segment.





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