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What is the difference between Born Again, and A New Creature in Jesus Crist?

 
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What is the difference between Born Again, and A New Creature in Jesus Crist?
Thought I would share a little for the Religious folks... I am not sure if he on the mark or not. Not that familiar with these kinds of things.

I found this interesting, perhaps others may.

Just sharing todays viewing with others... I am not a scholar on these things.

Hi Brother Terral! My question... What is the difference between, Born Again, and A New Creature in Christ Jesus?

Jesus Christ teaches Nicodemus the truth of being 'born from above' in John 3 long before He died for anyone. Jesus Christ is teaching 'Kingdom Doctrine' to Nicodemus using doctrinal precepts that include being baptized in water 'and' being baptized by the Holy Spirit from above.

"I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." Mark 1:8.

The Gospel of the Kingdom includes 'three' baptisms in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19. See the third video in the Scripture series at [link to terral03.com] on the "Four Baptisms of the New Testament." These three baptisms are clearly presented and identified in Acts 8:12-17 and Acts 19:1-6 beginning with John's Baptism in water (#1), then the baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus (#2) and then the third and final baptism of the Holy Spirit with the laying of hands (#3). These three baptisms indoctrinated the kingdom disciple to become a disciple of "The Way" (Acts 9:2, 18:26; 19:9, 23; 22:4; 24:14, 22) highlighting 'the way' into the Holy of Holies (spirit) through the Holy Place (blood) and Court (water). The three baptisms of the Gospel of the Kingdom fulfill prophecy and the requirements of Mosaic Law. This is the primary reason that John the Baptist appeared as "Elijah" (see Malachi 4:5-6) the 'spirit witness' of the Living Tabernacle (see Transfiguration of Matt. 17:1-11) baptizing in 'water' representing 'prophecy unclothed' (spirit) becoming 'prophecy fulfilled/clothed' (water).

There is actually no use of the phrase "Born Again" in your Bible, which actually means "born from above" in the Greek. This phrase is carried over from the old 1600's English used in the Old King James.

The Apostle Paul states that members of Christ's Body are created "IN" Christ Jesus in Ephesians 2:9-10 (10). We are created brand new "IN" Christ Jesus as "new creatures" described in 2Cor. 5:16-21, as we become active participants in Christ's death, burial and resurrection.
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Re: What is the difference between Born Again, and A New Creature in Jesus Crist?
Same thing. The change comes when we are resurrected or removed. Until then we are imperfect but trying hard not to be. In this life sin is forgiven not eliminated.
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When one is resurrected or translated he is CHANGED to "immortality and eternal life", a new spiritual body that's perfect. The physical body is not meant to last or "inherit the Kingdom of God".
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i think nicodemus termed it "born again" in his answering question
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Same thing. The change comes when we are resurrected or removed. Until then we are imperfect but trying hard not to be. In this life sin is forgiven not eliminated.
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I believe this.

i think nicodemus termed it "born again" in his answering question
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I was just looking into this word...
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John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


"Born" from that verse is defined by Strong's concordance as:

1080 // gennaw // gennao // ghen-nah'-o //

from a variation of 1085 ; TDNT - 1:665,114; v

AV - begat 49, be born 39, bear 2, gender 2, bring forth 1,
be delivered 1, misc 3; 97

1) of men who fathered children
1a) to be born
1b) to be begotten
1b1) of women giving birth to children
2) metaph.
2a) to engender, cause to arise, excite
2b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his
way of life, to convert someone
2c) of God making Christ his son
2d) of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work

And "Again," is defined as:

509 // anwyen // anothen // an'-o-then //

from 507 ; TDNT - 1:378,63; adv

AV - from above 5, top 3, again 2, from the first 1,
from the beginning 1, not tr 1; 13

1) from above, from a higher place
1a) of things which come from heaven or God
2) from the first, from the beginning, from the very first
3) anew, over again

The Interlinear translated directly from the original Greek says this:

(It won't allow me to copy and paste the text, but I will put add the link for you to examine it yourself.)

I'll type the words directly translated:

"AnswerED the Jesus and said to him amen amen I-Am sayING
to-you if-ever No any may-be-being-generated up-place not he-Is-Able to-be-precieving the KingDOM of-the God.

It shows how it was translated, and then puts it together in a understandable way.

Interesting post OP.

Here is the link:

[link to www.scripture4all.org]
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When ur born again u become a new creature ! In Christ

And jus how he was raised , u also will be raised and given life eternal in the newly created world and universe with new Jerusalem being our Capitol city ! With big mansions to live in ... I can't wait
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Same thing. The change comes when we are resurrected or removed. Until then we are imperfect but trying hard not to be. In this life sin is forgiven not eliminated.
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yep same thing. every creature is born, to be a new creature you must be reborn, to be reborn you must be a new creature.
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When ur born again u become a new creature ! In Christ

And jus how he was raised , u also will be raised and given life eternal in the newly created world and universe with new Jerusalem being our Capitol city ! With big mansions to live in ... I can't wait
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Same thing. The change comes when we are resurrected or removed. Until then we are imperfect but trying hard not to be. In this life sin is forgiven not eliminated.
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yep same thing. every creature is born, to be a new creature you must be reborn, to be reborn you must be a new creature.
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This seems to simplify the explanation in the video.

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Interesting post OP.

Here is the link:

[link to www.scripture4all.org]
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Thank you for the link, give me some reading for the day.
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When ur born again u become a new creature ! In Christ

And jus how he was raised , u also will be raised and given life eternal in the newly created world and universe with new Jerusalem being our Capitol city ! With big mansions to live in ... I can't wait
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pathetic!!!!





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