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EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'

 
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EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
EUROPEAN politicians are allowing the continent to 'sleepwalk' into a new conflict with parallels to the First World War, a former German chancellor has warned.Helmut Schmidt, 95, claimed the crisis in Ukraine is "increasingly comparable" to the period leading up to the 1914-1918 Great War. And he blamed the European Commission and NATO for seriously misreading the worst East-West tension since the end of the Cold War.

"I think very little of talking up the threat of World War III, and especially of demands for more money to arm NATO," he told German newspaper Bild. "But the danger that the situation gets ever more tense, as it did in August 1914, is growing day by day."

"Europe, the Americans and also the Russians are acting the way author Christopher Clark describes the start of World War One in his very readable book, like 'sleepwalkers'." 'The Sleepwalkers' by this Australian historian re-evaluates the eve of the First World War, focusing on how clueless the leaders of Europe's great powers were about the carnage of the first industrialised war that would follow.

Warning that European Union commissioners "understand very little", he stated: "The latest example is the attempt of the European Commission to annex Ukraine, and also to try to draw in Georgia. Just a reminder: Georgia lies outside of Europe. This is megalomania, we have no business being there."

In Brussels, officials had blundered by "confronting Ukraine with the apparent choice of having to choose between West and East", so infuriating Russia. He called on MEPs to grab back power from the commissioners.

[link to www.express.co.uk]
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Re: EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
Given how similar the landscape is in a lot of ways, a similar outcome is kinda expected.

You have the first Great Depression in 1873 that is remarkably more like the one we are in than the Great Depression of 1929..

You have similar rush of expansionism that is bound to end up with nations bumping heads..

You have authors then and now commenting how the world is now so globalised that it makes war impossible..

And mostly you have crap leaders who are so removed from the everyday person they have no idea of the horrors they could unleash.

Sigh...
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Re: EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
It is a shame for German politicians, that Helmut Schmidt needs to be considered as the only one clever enough to analyse the situation himself.
Especially when you know that he is 95 years old, but maybe you need to be that old to be allowed to speak the truth.
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Re: EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
A prominent pre WW1 book titled, The Great Illusion(1909) by Norman Angell, outlined how the interdependence between industrial nations made war impossible.

Not deterred by WW1, which he then claimed the interdependence made war futile not impossible, he wrote a follow up book in 1930 maintaining the same stance that another war was impossible, it won him a Nobel peace prize in 1933.

I think by the time WW2 was over he gave up writing about the topic of war being impossible..

But the same arguments are in play today, how our interdependence makes war impossible... and yet, we are walking down a path that makes it not just possible, but probable...
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Re: EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
A prominent pre WW1 book titled, The Great Illusion(1909) by Norman Angell, outlined how the interdependence between industrial nations made war impossible.

Not deterred by WW1, which he then claimed the interdependence made war futile not impossible, he wrote a follow up book in 1930 maintaining the same stance that another war was impossible, it won him a Nobel peace prize in 1933.

I think by the time WW2 was over he gave up writing about the topic of war being impossible..

But the same arguments are in play today, how our interdependence makes war impossible... and yet, we are walking down a path that makes it not just possible, but probable...
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Sad that I am writing at my master thesis at the moment, sounds like an interesting read...
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Re: EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
A prominent pre WW1 book titled, The Great Illusion(1909) by Norman Angell, outlined how the interdependence between industrial nations made war impossible.

Not deterred by WW1, which he then claimed the interdependence made war futile not impossible, he wrote a follow up book in 1930 maintaining the same stance that another war was impossible, it won him a Nobel peace prize in 1933.

I think by the time WW2 was over he gave up writing about the topic of war being impossible..

But the same arguments are in play today, how our interdependence makes war impossible... and yet, we are walking down a path that makes it not just possible, but probable...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37987889


Sad that I am writing at my master thesis at the moment, sounds like an interesting read...
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It is actually interesting if you ever have the time... and is available on Project Gutenberg as a download,

4th Edition. [link to www.gutenberg.org]

Much of it could have been written today..
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Re: EU leaders are allowing Europe to 'sleepwalk into new conflict just like First World War'
A prominent pre WW1 book titled, The Great Illusion(1909) by Norman Angell, outlined how the interdependence between industrial nations made war impossible.

Not deterred by WW1, which he then claimed the interdependence made war futile not impossible, he wrote a follow up book in 1930 maintaining the same stance that another war was impossible, it won him a Nobel peace prize in 1933.

I think by the time WW2 was over he gave up writing about the topic of war being impossible..

But the same arguments are in play today, how our interdependence makes war impossible... and yet, we are walking down a path that makes it not just possible, but probable...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37987889


Sad that I am writing at my master thesis at the moment, sounds like an interesting read...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58163379


It is actually interesting if you ever have the time... and is available on Project Gutenberg as a download,

4th Edition. [link to www.gutenberg.org]

Much of it could have been written today..
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Wow. thanks a lot. Bookmarked for August :/





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