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Wolfeboro police commissioner resigns over racist slur - no more free speech in USA | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748  United States05/19/2014 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How hard is it to understand that free speech gives you the right to say it but it does NOT take away the rights of people who don't like it and respond? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56982500 Holy shit.  Fine, so the people who don't like his free speech have their say too - it shouldn't cost a person their job. That is correct. Unless it can be PROVEN, beyond any doubt, that the commissioner's duties to enforce the law were somehow affected by his personal OPINIONS, this should have been a NON-STORY! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52153964  Canada05/19/2014 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have the right to say anything you want. As your employer, if I find that the things you (a representative of my company) say are embarrassing and potentially damaging to my company's image, I have the right to fire you for said behavior. The real question here is, just how dumb are you that you don't already understand this? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No only white people have to resign. Double standard since Obama in office. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57613243 That's true. What few are willing to acknowledge is that racism is a two-way street, and some of the most blatant racists in America today are BLACK . . . and we can start that list with the Obamas. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 56557051 United States05/19/2014 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's no room in the country for someone with power and authority to have that kind of filth coming out of their mouth. I don't care if he is 82 years old, if that's how he feels about anyone, he should just retire and go die somewhere. Quoting: JesseDart Freedom of speech is one thing, but racism and fighting words are not protected free speech. You say that shit to the wrong person and they are gonna open a can of whoop ass on you and will be completely justified. I guarantee that if the president was heard saying cracka this and mayonaise that, most of you would want his head on a pike. This is a good thing in my opinion. One less racist piece of shit in a position of authority. You are the antithesis of what it means to be American. The 1st Amendment was authored to protect this very thing, unpopular speech. If being un-American means not supporting a man's right to spew racist diarrhea around about the man who holds the highest office in the land, call me such. I disagree. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm also for the consequences that come along with exercising that right. Just like Sterling got roasted, this clown did too. I've said it before and I will say it again. Noone cares about racist white trailer trash when they talk mess. But when people in positions of power, wealth, and authority talk like this, they quickly find themselves an enemy to a large number of people in the world. They Can't even control their own mouth, let alone have employees under their rule. They got no business being in those positions. I like seeing them lose their nuts! It gives me great pleasure. I already stated he should have lost his job since he was a public servant. The fact you brought up Sterling shows what a stupid fucker you are, that guy has every right to say what the fuck ever he said since he does not hold public office you commie bastard. Where did you say he should have lost his job? You posted about the Consitutionally protected right - but you think he should have lost his job? That is contradictory. The Constitution protected him from being fired. But he was forced out due to EXTORTIONISTS. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52153964 Canada05/19/2014 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As your employer, if I find that the things you (a representative of my company) say are embarrassing and potentially damaging to my company's image, I have the right to fire you for said behavior. The real question here is, just how dumb are you that you don't already understand this? Why the hell are businesses and corporations allowed to violate constitutional rights, individual rights? The woman who reported him is also a racist because she is pro black. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 56557051 United States05/19/2014 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have the right to say anything you want. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52153964 As your employer, if I find that the things you (a representative of my company) say are embarrassing and potentially damaging to my company's image, I have the right to fire you for said behavior. The real question here is, just how dumb are you that you don't already understand this? Why the hell are businesses and corporations allowed to violate constitutional rights, individual rights? The woman who reported him is also a racist because she is pro black. Pro-Equality, dickhead. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free Speech is not freedom from Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46716143 criticism or consequences of what one says. You can SAY anything. Others can speak their criticism of what you SAY. Your employer can fire you or your wife can divorce you because they are mortified and shamed by what you SAID. That is so twisted. If my boss tried to fire me because he did not agree with my personal OPINIONS that I expressed on my OWN time away from work, he would be on the very ugly end of a lawsuit. Even in an at-will state, such actions should be legally challenged. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ideally, that's how it should be. But the lack of fair equality is totally out of control. Blacks are free to do and say whatever the hell they please. Whites are being punished for PERSONAL opinions. How ANYONE could not agree that's wrong is just unfathomable. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How hard is it to understand that free speech gives you the right to say it but it does NOT take away the rights of people who don't like it and respond? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56982500 Holy shit. Fine, so the people who don't like his free speech have their say too - it shouldn't cost a person their job. It most definitely SHOULD cost this man his job. He is one of the top law enforcement ranking officials in his jurisdiction. Do you really want Officers taking direction from someone that doesn't have the sense god gave a goose? Are you kidding me? Do you think that his replacement is going to be any better? They screen FOR these kinds of asshats in the LE community. The only reason this guy got fired is because someone HEARD him. He should be entitled to his private thoughts and beliefs. Just to note, he was not fired - he resigned due to the mob mentality and extortion. The blacks wanted the entire town boycotted and so the local business owners, fearing loss of revenue, pressured him to resign. Yes, his thoughts and beliefs are his own and unless it could be proven that those thoughts and beliefs EVER interfered with his job, this should have been a non-issue. This is a story ONLY due to EXTORTION. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 56557051 United States05/19/2014 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What a failed hero. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | HE WAS NOT FORCED FROM OFFICE. He was ASKED to resign. Once again, if you have power or influence and you openly show people how uncivilized you are, you will get public backlash. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56165770 If Obama called a white guy a cracker, he will be impeached after public outcry.. Not because it's illegal, but if the public was ok with it, we would have a different outcome. Think about that one. Then again I doubt anyone read this far Omg, you're kidding, right? BHO is a racist and no one is calling him on it. He promotes blacks at every turn and whites don't protest. And no Moochelle is stirring the pot. And the commissioner was not ASKED to resign - he was forced. Apparently, you condone blatant extortion. Shame on anyone, of any color, who advocates the blacks who immorally use extortion as a tactic to punish a white person for his personal opinions! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33899993 United States05/19/2014 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52939652 is it racism if you go out into the middle of the forest and shout your free speech ??? No the only difference is WHO hears you and their reaction so it's on the listener Which is one reason why there is NO freedom of speech in America now. If some ultra-sensitive person hears another person say something they don't like, they can stir the pot and who knows what their actions might cost that person who simply exercised his or her right to express a personal opinion. |
JesseDart  User ID: 53905673 United States05/19/2014 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's no room in the country for someone with power and authority to have that kind of filth coming out of their mouth. I don't care if he is 82 years old, if that's how he feels about anyone, he should just retire and go die somewhere. Quoting: JesseDart Freedom of speech is one thing, but racism and fighting words are not protected free speech. You say that shit to the wrong person and they are gonna open a can of whoop ass on you and will be completely justified. I guarantee that if the president was heard saying cracka this and mayonaise that, most of you would want his head on a pike. This is a good thing in my opinion. One less racist piece of shit in a position of authority. You are the antithesis of what it means to be American. The 1st Amendment was authored to protect this very thing, unpopular speech. If being un-American means not supporting a man's right to spew racist diarrhea around about the man who holds the highest office in the land, call me such. I disagree. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm also for the consequences that come along with exercising that right. Just like Sterling got roasted, this clown did too. I've said it before and I will say it again. Noone cares about racist white trailer trash when they talk mess. But when people in positions of power, wealth, and authority talk like this, they quickly find themselves an enemy to a large number of people in the world. They Can't even control their own mouth, let alone have employees under their rule. They got no business being in those positions. I like seeing them lose their nuts! It gives me great pleasure. You're a bore and no one cares what you think, simply because you are ignorant and you don't stand for what is fair and right in a free land. And you are an uneducated moron who doesn't understand that not everything you say is covered under Free Speech. Here's an example of how my fantasy plays out. President Obama flies to this shithole of a city and walks up to this man face to face. The President asks this man to repeat what he said and stupidly, he does. President Obama then punches this old man dead in his nose. Knocks him out cold. The local police do their investigation on President Obama and decline to press charges for assault on him because the old man was inciting violence by using "Fighting words". The old man is then arrested and charged. LOL, now that would be some gangster shit. That would be your Unprotected Free Speech at work. Supreme Court 1, Anonymous Coward 0 |
| brassbat User ID: 15444309 United States05/19/2014 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by brassbat on 05/19/2014 11:27 PM jjjjj |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. But it's his personal opinion, which he stated in a restaurant. Some busy-body woman heard him, was offended, reported him, it got to the media, blacks demanded that the entire town be boycotted, the town pressured the old guy, and he resigned. This is a story ONLY because it involves EXTORTION. People should forget the word racism and understand that EXTORTION is ILLEGAL and THAT is what this story is really all about. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57951334 United States05/19/2014 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where did you say he should have lost his job? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58263748 You posted about the Consitutionally protected right - but you think he should have lost his job? That is contradictory. The Constitution protected him from being fired. But he was forced out due to EXTORTIONISTS. Say goodbye to free speech in America. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58257426 Police commissioner makes a personal comment - based on HIS OWN PERSONAL OPINION - in restaurant Some busy-body woman heard it and didn't like it She reports it and makes a stink about it Media gets the story and runs with it Special interest groups, blacks, and pc suck-ups demand boycott of ENTIRE town and all businesses Town cowers in fear Commissioner resigns. WOLFEBORO, N.H. — A police commissioner in Wolfeboro under fire for using a racist slur when talking about President Barack Obama has resigned. Robert Copeland, 82, verbally resigned to the chairman of the Wolfeboro Police Commission Sunday night before resigning in a concise email released Monday. [link to www.wmur.com] :fullretard1: He was a public servant and the people who elected him could pressure him to resign if they so choose, which they did. It was implicit in my first post. Then I explicitly stated to you directly that he should have been fired. He called the president n...er, freedom of speech or pure racist remark? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56973100 But who can rightly determine what's "racist" anymore? If someone makes a threat against someone due to their race, of course that would be racist. But when it comes to mere personal opinion, a term uttered by a guy in a restaurant . . . who has the right to label him a racist? And that he was forced to resign is outrageous. Blacks call each other n****r all the time and they call it their form of communicating with each other and whites are supposed to accept that. But a white says it and it's automatically deemed racist. PURE, OUTRIGHT HYPOCRISY. The man can say what ever he wants, as long as he does not have the authority to imprison and kill people. It might be a little bit of a conflict of interest if the commissioner hates black people, cause he might treat blacks harsher than whites based on their color rather than their crimes. In the private sector the man is free to say anything he chooses, not as a public servant though. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: JesseDart It most definitely SHOULD cost this man his job. He is one of the top law enforcement ranking officials in his jurisdiction. Do you really want Officers taking direction from someone that doesn't have the sense god gave a goose? Are you kidding me? Do you think that his replacement is going to be any better? They screen FOR these kinds of asshats in the LE community. The only reason this guy got fired is because someone HEARD him. He should be entitled to his private thoughts and beliefs. If he was smart, he would have. Intelligence and racism don't usually go hand in hand though. I don't have any opinion on whether his replacement will be any better, my bet is that they will screen a little closer for someone that isn't a complete dumbass. The problem isn't that this codger got popped. He has probably always been a dumbass racist that people tolerated, saying this kinda shit behind closed doors. But when in a public place and someone in a position of authority is this stupid to be talkin like that, then have the audacity to dig in his heels and pretend like he's righteous? Gimme a break. Fossil needed to go, prolly a long time ago. Did you see the part time officer that happened to be black and was asked for a comment. He politely declined saying "I'd love to, but I can't." I would love to hear some of his stories about this dumbass. Do you feel the same way about people who are fired for expressing their hateful but bible-supported beliefs? People are up in arms about this Pasadena CA medical director being tossed for hating gays and muslims and thinking evolution is a satanist lie and shit. Bitching because his Constitutionally protected right to freedom of religious expression should be upheld - after all, he only said these things during church sermons. Pasadena's medical director on leave after his Protestant sermons surface: Read more at [link to national.deseretnews.com] Is it okay to say hateful things if they are in line with your religious beliefs and keep your job, but not okay to say them if they are in line with your PERSONAL beliefs? Why or why not? In this article (pertaining to the medical director), someone goes so far as to say that they won't tolerate this kind of THOUGHT. Are you fucking kidding me? This is supposed to be AMERICA. We are supposed to have freedom of speech. We shouldn't even be DISCUSSING curtailing private citizens freedom to THINK what they fucking choose to THINK. This is NOT Oceania in Orwell's 1984 - or is it? Some of you dumbfucks wouldn't even know the goddamn DIFFERENCE. If you honestly believe that it is okay or for the public benefit in any conceivable way, or that it is in any way compatible with the individual liberty guaranteed by the US Constitution to have fucking THOUGHT POLICE in this country, you are part of the problem and need to pull your head out of your ass. The natural sunlight will likely burn your eyes, and you might hear a loud pop, but the fresh air should be nice. By the way, nice avatar of The Rock. Fucking asshat. Kudos! And yes, America is moving toward being controlled by the THOUGHT POLICE. And the damned, ignorant sheeple are willingly lining up . . . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How hard is it to understand that free speech gives you the right to say it but it does NOT take away the rights of people who don't like it and respond? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56982500 Holy shit. Anyone has the right to disagree. But do you honestly believe it is fair and right to PUNISH a person for making a PERSONAL OPINION COMMENT? This police commissioner, as far as I know, has never discriminated against blacks in his position as a public official. If anyone can prove otherwise, please cite. He simply made a comment, which was HIS RIGHT to do, the woman who heard it could certainly disagree. But to take this to the media and for people to call his words "hate speech" and for him to be forced to resign is beyond absurd and a sad statement about America. You have the right to say anything you want. As your employer, if I find that the things you (a representative of my company) say are embarrassing and potentially damaging to my company's image, I have the right to fire you for said behavior. The real question here is, just how dumb are you that you don't already understand this? If I make a personal opinion statement - on my own time as a free citizen - and it somehow gets back to my employer and he fires me because he does not agree with my personal opinion, that ignorant jackass will find himself facing an ugly lawsuit. And I don't give a damn about "at-will" employment - I would challenge it to the highest court. Unless they make an outright dangerous threat, NO ONE should be punished for PERSONAL OPINIONS! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody is challenging that people can think what they want. Spoken word is completely different and some things are not protected by the constitution you seem to want to lean on. Quoting: JesseDart Pretend this is written in crayon, so you can understand it. The idiot didn't get in trouble for his thoughts, he got popped because he was stupid and SAID it within earshot of someone who cared in a public place. Period. and thanks for capitalizing The Rock, he appreciates it! Each of your posts get subsequently more ignorant . . . This IS a challenge of what people think and say! What he said out loud WAS/IS his personal thought/opinion. Just because some sensitive busy-body heard him and did not like what he said, does NOT mean he should be forced to resign a job he was evidently doing quite well. WHAT don't you get about that???!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But who can rightly determine what's "racist" anymore? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58263748 If someone makes a threat against someone due to their race, of course that would be racist. But when it comes to mere personal opinion, a term uttered by a guy in a restaurant . . . who has the right to label him a racist? Another dummy... [link to en.wikipedia.org] Racism has nothing to do whatsoever with whether or not threats are uttered, you simpleton. A person should not be fired or forced to resign just because someone else deems their words to be "racist". Moron. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52153964 Canada05/19/2014 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Say goodbye to free speech in America. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58257426 Police commissioner makes a personal comment - based on HIS OWN PERSONAL OPINION - in restaurant Some busy-body woman heard it and didn't like it She reports it and makes a stink about it Media gets the story and runs with it Special interest groups, blacks, and pc suck-ups demand boycott of ENTIRE town and all businesses Town cowers in fear Commissioner resigns. WOLFEBORO, N.H. — A police commissioner in Wolfeboro under fire for using a racist slur when talking about President Barack Obama has resigned. Robert Copeland, 82, verbally resigned to the chairman of the Wolfeboro Police Commission Sunday night before resigning in a concise email released Monday. [link to www.wmur.com] If you'd gone to even community college you would have learned about the 1st amendment. lol. Moron, this isn't about the 1st Amendment, which protects a person's right to free speech, meaning that they cannot be punished by the government. This man was not punished by the government. He was forced to resign by BLACK EXTORTIONIST who pressured local government and businesses, which in turn forced the commissioner to leave office. Educate yourself before posting. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Town cowers in fear from what? Boycott of their coffee shop? Give me a break; the town realized he was a racist fuck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56557051 Wait, are you going to applaud my "free speech right" or are you going to spew vitriol at me? Some of you need to educate yourselves before posting. The town was threatened by blacks and their supporters with a blanket boycott which would have affected the revenue of every local business owner. They in turn, pressured the man to resign. So he was FORCED due to EXTORTION. |
| russ59dd User ID: 44394627 United States05/19/2014 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way, if the police chief thought his statement was protected by the 1st amendment, why didn't he stay and then sue the Town if they fired him? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56557051 Why? Because his statement was not protected OR he is a pussy. READ BEFORE POSTING! No one is saying his 1st Amendment right was violated. He was forced to resign - not fired - by extortionists. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone here realize it is part of your first amendment right to petition, i.e., sue for redress? Why didn't this pussy police chief stand his ground and exercise his first amendment right to let his employer fire him and then sue them over it if his speech was protected? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56557051 What a failed hero. He was not fired!!! |
| JesseDart User ID: 53905673 United States05/19/2014 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody is challenging that people can think what they want. Spoken word is completely different and some things are not protected by the constitution you seem to want to lean on. Quoting: JesseDart Pretend this is written in crayon, so you can understand it. The idiot didn't get in trouble for his thoughts, he got popped because he was stupid and SAID it within earshot of someone who cared in a public place. Period. and thanks for capitalizing The Rock, he appreciates it! Each of your posts get subsequently more ignorant . . . This IS a challenge of what people think and say! What he said out loud WAS/IS his personal thought/opinion. Just because some sensitive busy-body heard him and did not like what he said, does NOT mean he should be forced to resign a job he was evidently doing quite well. WHAT don't you get about that???!! I understand it perfectly fine. What don't you understand about the fact that the people I was responding to were basing their argument off of Free Speech, which is not without limits. Dropping an N bomb about the President by an elected public official tends to call someone's character and credibility into question, as it should. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58263748 United States05/19/2014 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | pathetic what americans rally around - Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33899993 why can't americans rally like this for oath of office violations Americans allow every lowlife politician to engage in sexual perversions/misconduct, embezzlement, lying, cheating, whatever . . . and they don't give a damn. But a white elected official in a small town uses the N word on his own time, his own personal opinion, and black people and black supporters go ballistic and threaten boycotts. It is ludicrous. The power of the media. They are promoting the black and gay agendas at every opportunistic turn. |
