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Fukushima Update: "After the Worst" Arnie Gundersen air on RadioShock.org 10/28/2014 p52

 
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One particle of plutonium is a death sentence?

That's vague. You mean particles smaller than the eye can see, but surely much larger than an individual atom.

I can agree with this. There's one issue though. Such a particle is relatively extremely heavy. In water, even in current, they'll settle out relatively quickly. In air they'll also be inclined to settle out, though I suspect if any were blown into the jet stream they might travel a long way.
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One particle of plutonium is a death sentence?

That's vague. You mean particles smaller than the eye can see, but surely much larger than an individual atom.

I can agree with this. There's one issue though. Such a particle is relatively extremely heavy. In water, even in current, they'll settle out relatively quickly. In air they'll also be inclined to settle out, though I suspect if any were blown into the jet stream they might travel a long way.
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yes....if you eat it you can be lucky and pass it out....if you breath it.....not good....and there will not be anything the doctors can do but cut out the damage....if you lucky they might just cut it out....
that is just 1 particle.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Re: Fukushima Update: "After the Worst" Arnie Gundersen air on RadioShock.org 10/28/2014 p52
Checking out all the live webcams in Japan now. There's a pink haze over almost EVERY area I've seen so far. A THICK pink haze.
 Quoting: Listen_n


THAT, most likely, means that radioactive Iodine-123 is also being released in large amounts. A chemical reaction occurs when it hits oxygen that creates a pink haze. If you were there, you would also smell a horrible sulfer smell, another by-product.

Iodine-123 in ONE of several iodines that cause major thyroid damage with very little inhaled.

Good news is its half-life is only around 9 hrs.

Im much more concerned about whats being released that doesnt leave a tell-tale, and iodine-123 is as harmless as table salt compared to the other things stored at Fuku.
 Quoting: SenterSun


So, that's one particle out of how many???
 Quoting: Chugiakian


Unfortunately, most likely several hundred. Have you ever seen 'the rock' with Sean Connery?
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I remember 'The Rock' several hundred particles is not good!
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Re: Fukushima Update: "After the Worst" Arnie Gundersen air on RadioShock.org 10/28/2014 p52
here's a link to EOSDIS worldview of Japan

[link to earthdata.nasa.gov (secure)]

it's possible to zoom in above the plant, and it has many different layers on the sidebar to the left that may help determine what's happening there (thermal layers etc.)

 Quoting: RTS REDUX


the May 9 image looks anomalous to me.

[link to earthdata.nasa.gov (secure)]

i.e. atypical "clouds" emanating from the approx location.

EOSDIS

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Hidekatsu Yoshii, a member of the House of Representatives for Japanese Communist Party and an anti-nuclear campaigner, warned in March and October 2006 about the possibility of the severe damage that might be caused by a tsunami or earthquake.

During a parliamentary committee in May 2010 he made similar claims, warning that the cooling systems of a Japanese nuclear plant could be destroyed by a landslide or earthquake.

In response Yoshinobu Terasaka, head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, replied that the plants were so well designed that "such a situation is practically impossible..

WELL? it took an communist to tell them it was going FAIL?
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We should make these nuclear supporters go in and clean up this FUK'N mess!
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I really would if I were single but God had other plans for me. lol
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I'm also curious about the MOX fuel..

reactor 3 or 4? how would we objectively know if TEPCO is lying or not?

because I wouldn't be surprised if Pu was already released during the initial explosion.
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


just about all nuclear reactors are using MOX fuel rods these days.

the "MOX Program" was started about 15 years ago, and the
plan was to mix about 3% Plutonium into all the fuel grade Uranium they mix-up to make fuel rods,
in order to put a lot of the World's surplus Plutonium to good use.

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I'm also curious about the MOX fuel..

reactor 3 or 4? how would we objectively know if TEPCO is lying or not?

because I wouldn't be surprised if Pu was already released during the initial explosion.
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


just about all nuclear reactors are using MOX fuel rods these days.

the "MOX Program" was started about 15 years ago, and the
plan was to mix about 3% Plutonium into all the fuel grade Uranium they mix-up to make fuel rods,
in order to put a lot of the World's surplus Plutonium to good use.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


good use?
This is the results of 'good use'!
NO amount of good can come from this at all!
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Fast Breeder Reactors are the puppies that make Plutonium as
a by-product, and then they purify the Plutonium out of the spent fuel rods,
and walla, that's where we get all the Plutonium from.

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~ Turn your ear to wisdom and you will incline your heart to understanding ~
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I'm also curious about the MOX fuel..

reactor 3 or 4? how would we objectively know if TEPCO is lying or not?

because I wouldn't be surprised if Pu was already released during the initial explosion.
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


just about all nuclear reactors are using MOX fuel rods these days.

the "MOX Program" was started about 15 years ago, and the
plan was to mix about 3% Plutonium into all the fuel grade Uranium they mix-up to make fuel rods,
in order to put a lot of the World's surplus Plutonium to good use.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


good use?
This is the results of 'good use'!
NO amount of good can come from this at all!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


well, i'm just trying to put out the facts as best i can.

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Fast Breeder Reactors are the puppies that make Plutonium as
a by-product, and then they purify the Plutonium out of the spent fuel rods,
and walla, that's where we get all the Plutonium from.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


BINGO
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"The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying"


“Nobody's perfect. We're all just one step up from the beasts and one step down from the angels.”

Rom 8:38-39: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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I'm also curious about the MOX fuel..

reactor 3 or 4? how would we objectively know if TEPCO is lying or not?

because I wouldn't be surprised if Pu was already released during the initial explosion.
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


just about all nuclear reactors are using MOX fuel rods these days.

the "MOX Program" was started about 15 years ago, and the
plan was to mix about 3% Plutonium into all the fuel grade Uranium they mix-up to make fuel rods,
in order to put a lot of the World's surplus Plutonium to good use.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


good use?
This is the results of 'good use'!
NO amount of good can come from this at all!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


well, i'm just trying to put out the facts as best i can.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


as we all are…. thanks!

cheers
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so there are MOX fuel rods in the spent fuel pool of #4?

just sitting there?
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If I remember correctly I think there were 1500 rods in SPF4 and Tepco has been removing them since last October. No word on progress though.
 Quoting: calx

I seriously think that was a bullshit lie. Those rods have probably been fucked for awhile. They're just trying to look like they have control.
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Fast Breeder Reactors are the puppies that make Plutonium as
a by-product, and then they purify the Plutonium out of the spent fuel rods,
and walla, that's where we get all the Plutonium from.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


BINGO
 Quoting: Bambi2U


great!
Now we have spent fuel, plutonium, a nuclear disaster no coverage on the truth. Not to mention a Fuk'n fire?
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Yikes!
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the correct question about Fukushima would be: "was one of those
reactors a clandestine Fast Breeder Reactor?" the answer to which would be a resounding "YIKES!"
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[link to exopolitics.blogs.com]
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I'm also curious about the MOX fuel..

reactor 3 or 4? how would we objectively know if TEPCO is lying or not?

because I wouldn't be surprised if Pu was already released during the initial explosion.
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


just about all nuclear reactors are using MOX fuel rods these days.

the "MOX Program" was started about 15 years ago, and the
plan was to mix about 3% Plutonium into all the fuel grade Uranium they mix-up to make fuel rods,
in order to put a lot of the World's surplus Plutonium to good use.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


It was released in the initial explosion. And this organization has sniffers, they published at the time, that it had sniffed the components signature to Japans explosions, one of which was Plu. But the information was taken down so fast, by the time I thought I should get a screen shot of it, it was gone.

[link to www.ctbto.org]

Also, a newspaper up by SF CA had put in the online issue that the EPA had told them they sniffed Cesium 137 like a day after the initial explosion. But that too was gone fast from publication.
"We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ."

"The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying"


“Nobody's perfect. We're all just one step up from the beasts and one step down from the angels.”

Rom 8:38-39: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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[link to www.nytimes.com]
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the correct question about Fukushima would be: "was one of those
reactors a clandestine Fast Breeder Reactor?" the answer to which would be a resounding "YIKES!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


It was #3
"We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ."

"The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying"


“Nobody's perfect. We're all just one step up from the beasts and one step down from the angels.”

Rom 8:38-39: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

________________________________
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the correct question about Fukushima would be: "was one of those
reactors a clandestine Fast Breeder Reactor?" the answer to which would be a resounding "YIKES!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


It was #3
 Quoting: Bambi2U


the one that blew up!
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Fast Breeder Reactors are the puppies that make Plutonium as
a by-product, and then they purify the Plutonium out of the spent fuel rods,
and walla, that's where we get all the Plutonium from.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


BINGO
 Quoting: Bambi2U


great!
Now we have spent fuel, plutonium, a nuclear disaster no coverage on the truth. Not to mention a Fuk'n fire?
 Quoting: Chugiakian


Um ya, that pretty much covers it
"We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ."

"The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying"


“Nobody's perfect. We're all just one step up from the beasts and one step down from the angels.”

Rom 8:38-39: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

________________________________
Evangelist Anita Fuentes Website: [link to www.emoaf.org]

Freedom Phalanx Radio Network
[link to fprnradio.com]
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the correct question about Fukushima would be: "was one of those
reactors a clandestine Fast Breeder Reactor?" the answer to which would be a resounding "YIKES!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


It was #3
 Quoting: Bambi2U


the one that blew up!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


You mean the one that blew sky high? Ya that one
"We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ."

"The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying"


“Nobody's perfect. We're all just one step up from the beasts and one step down from the angels.”

Rom 8:38-39: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

________________________________
Evangelist Anita Fuentes Website: [link to www.emoaf.org]

Freedom Phalanx Radio Network
[link to fprnradio.com]
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the correct question about Fukushima would be: "was one of those
reactors a clandestine Fast Breeder Reactor?" the answer to which would be a resounding "YIKES!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


It was #3
 Quoting: Bambi2U


the one that blew up!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


You mean the one that blew sky high? Ya that one
 Quoting: Bambi2U


yes. that was a 0.2 kiloton nuclear explosion that
was caused by the hydrogen explosion banging some of the fuel rods together...

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the correct question about Fukushima would be: "was one of those
reactors a clandestine Fast Breeder Reactor?" the answer to which would be a resounding "YIKES!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58271500


It was #3
 Quoting: Bambi2U


the one that blew up!
 Quoting: Chugiakian


You mean the one that blew sky high? Ya that one
 Quoting: Bambi2U


thought that was the one.
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Let me let you all in on something that will show the extent of TEPCOs coverup of the situation at the Fukushima site.

During the 1986 Chernobyl meltdown, they released to the PUBLIC Infrared SPOT satellite images that clearly showed the billowing plumes of hot particles coming from the facility. this showed the radiation clouds that were INVISIBLE TO NORMAL OPTICAL CAMERAS AND THE HUMAN EYE.

That was with technology that is now a quarter of century old.
[link to www.sciencephoto.com]

TEPCO and the JAPANESE government along with the worlds top governments are purposely holding back such imagery of the fukushima site, to this very day.

You wont see infra-red imagery because its classified secret, in order to avoid panic, and evacuations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47302730


MODIS Level 1 data, geolocation, cloud mask, and Atmosphere products:
[link to ladsweb.nascom.nasa.gov]

MODIS land products:
[link to lpdaac.usgs.gov (secure)]

MODIS ocean color and sea surface temperature products:
[link to oceancolor.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

Gary Allen

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY
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This appears to be a live broadcast on the situation at Fukushima.
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 Quoting: Chugiakian


Oh I know. There was some of us here that knew exactly what was going on. But we were called crazy.

I was calling the EPA's Washington DC's office because none of the monitors (very few) were working.

It was crazy
"We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ."

"The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying"


“Nobody's perfect. We're all just one step up from the beasts and one step down from the angels.”

Rom 8:38-39: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

________________________________
Evangelist Anita Fuentes Website: [link to www.emoaf.org]

Freedom Phalanx Radio Network
[link to fprnradio.com]
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