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The Associated Press is reporting the Obama administration being poised to release a formal “justification,” detailing the circumstances in which the lethal force of drone strikes may be used against a United States Citizen.

A worrisome compliment to the pending reveal of the Obama Administration's justification for the use of drone strikes on American citizens, is Wikileaks' announcement of their intention to release the name of the final country in which the NSA records every word of every phone conversation. Glenn Greenwald, the reporter chosen by Edward Snowden to release his information, has stated that his reason for not releasing this information already is, basically, the fear of it causing bloodshed. That fear, along with pressures from US governmental agencies.


Sorry for the mouthful of a subject, but I didn't know how else to describe it.

Anyways, seems like too much doom for my normal gloom guys. Is this about to be the shit storm igniting?

Is the mystery country going to be the United States?

Maybe Ukraine?

I almost don't believe the AP, but their track record is pretty clear for not bsing up the joint.

Anyways, head's up guys and gals.

[link to www.thewestwire.com]

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Bump for being aware that the winds of sh*t are are starting to blow.
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also, a relevant twitter b*tch fest between Glenn Greenwald and Wikileaks regarding the subject:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

I respect both organizations, but surely they realize such bickering makes them both look small, unprofessional, and non-threatening.

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Anybody catching this?
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So was Glenn Greenwald going to release it in 72 hours or not?
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So was Glenn Greenwald going to release it in 72 hours or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58299076


Wikileaks was going to release it, against Glenn Greenwald's recommendation/request/protests.

72 hours as of yesterday btw
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Is going to get rael.....

It sounds like.
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Interesting
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Guesses on the country?

My guess - Israel
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CRUX MEA LUX
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Anybody catching this?
 Quoting: Little Willy


Orange County Ca????
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Guesses on the country?

My guess - Israel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45655117


It would seem that nothing is sacred when it comes to the NSA. Israel would be lowest on my list of possibilities, but I would guess it's a non-close-ally country like a Russia or China.

China, being as tech savvy as they are, would probably have been too complicated of a target. Russia seems like easy picking for such large sweeping intelligence gathering, but you'd hope the cold war would have taught a contrary lesson.

My guess, which is why I think the implications of this are huge, is that this mystery country is a "first world" country, as opposed to Kenya, Mexico, the Philippines, or the tiny little banking islands of the Bahamas. All of which are able to be conceptualized as dissimilar (speaking from US.)

If a Germany, Russia, England, Japan, Canada, or a United States popped up on the list, a lot of demanding voices would start shouting I believe.
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Is going to get rael.....

It sounds like.
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Good news is we won't have to wait long to find out, apparently.
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Guesses on the country?

My guess - Israel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45655117


It would seem that nothing is sacred when it comes to the NSA. Israel would be lowest on my list of possibilities, but I would guess it's a non-close-ally country like a Russia or China.

China, being as tech savvy as they are, would probably have been too complicated of a target. Russia seems like easy picking for such large sweeping intelligence gathering, but you'd hope the cold war would have taught a contrary lesson.

My guess, which is why I think the implications of this are huge, is that this mystery country is a "first world" country, as opposed to Kenya, Mexico, the Philippines, or the tiny little banking islands of the Bahamas. All of which are able to be conceptualized as dissimilar (speaking from US.)

If a Germany, Russia, England, Japan, Canada, or a United States popped up on the list, a lot of demanding voices would start shouting I believe.
 Quoting: Little Willy


No way it's Russia, with Snowden IN Russia. China?........that's a lot of people to tap.
What in the wide world of sports is going on?
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Guesses on the country?

My guess - Israel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45655117


It would seem that nothing is sacred when it comes to the NSA. Israel would be lowest on my list of possibilities, but I would guess it's a non-close-ally country like a Russia or China.

China, being as tech savvy as they are, would probably have been too complicated of a target. Russia seems like easy picking for such large sweeping intelligence gathering, but you'd hope the cold war would have taught a contrary lesson.

My guess, which is why I think the implications of this are huge, is that this mystery country is a "first world" country, as opposed to Kenya, Mexico, the Philippines, or the tiny little banking islands of the Bahamas. All of which are able to be conceptualized as dissimilar (speaking from US.)

If a Germany, Russia, England, Japan, Canada, or a United States popped up on the list, a lot of demanding voices would start shouting I believe.
 Quoting: Little Willy


No way it's Russia, with Snowden IN Russia. China?........that's a lot of people to tap.
 Quoting: steelseries


That implies Snowden knew where he would be taking refuge beforehand, which would only lend to the argument of collusion.

I pretty much have come to the conclusion there is no limits of possibility anymore.

Why isn't this pinned btw?
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I wonder what he might meant by 'deaths'.
Deaths - as of an internal strife, or even maybe civil war breaking out in that country because the government might have information about it (a lot of U.S. allies knew about the already revealed secret service hubs in their countries)
Or deaths as of a fear of a hostile attack to an other country?
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fuck obama and fuck the nsa
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keep us updated when it is released
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keep us updated when it is released
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Wikileaks is going to release 72hours from 6:30 last night
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Just about Guarantee its Rome!
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Bump for being aware that the winds of sh*t are are starting to blow.
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shit wind
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bump this could be the catalyst.
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Bump for being aware that the winds of sh*t are are starting to blow.
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:shit wind:
 Quoting: Doomer1981


And here I was thinking no one caught that TPB reference. Seriously though, the carpet is about to get stained brown.

This whole VA scandal shit may be overshadowing things a bit, but if Obama comes out with a list that justifies, in any way, the killing of Americans with drones, it will certainly be a test.

As lazy and numb as most Americans hve become, when someone tells them that they could now do something that would get a Hell Fire missile pinned to them, surely something will register.

This might be when we finally witness the failing of incrementalism.
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On April 28, 2014; the 2nd United States Court of Appeals entered an order directiing that the DoJ comply with an ACLU Freedom of Information requests to provide that organization with the Dept. of Justice "White Papers" concerning the use of ARMED domestic drones against Americans. This is a fluid situation which DEMANDS our vigilance.
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bump This should be Pinned.
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absolutely relevant!

bump
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bump
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Venezuela, Cuba or Brazil are my guesses...

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