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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56987235 United States 05/21/2014 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was NO NEED to shoot him at all, tazer or no tazer. What did good cops do before tazers existed? Good verbal skills. Good thinking abilities. Having the courage to risk getting hurt. Now it's "Oh..... this guy might hurt me. I'll just shoot him." Weak wristed people have no buisness doing a man's job. . |
empfan1 User ID: 1503485 United States 05/21/2014 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well all I can tell you is Salinas itself isn't the best place to start with. I live 15 minutes from it and go into town to shop. There’s a lot in immigrants, illegals, and gangs. Especially that part of town. Believe it or not, this stuff happens all the time here. This is the 2 shooting in two weeks and the 3 this year. Why it’s making headlines I don’t know. Here’s the story on the local news [link to www.ksbw.com] What I do know is both Salinas PD and Monterey Sheriff’s dept. need cleaning up. All of them walk around like their someone special, but in they couldn’t be bothered to take reports or file them in a timely manner (I’m saying not even two weeks). Let alone do their jobs like stopping real crime. It’s a lot different then I remember growing up in the Midwest and ti seems to be getting worst. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58322005 United States 05/21/2014 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was NO NEED to shoot him at all, tazer or no tazer. What did good cops do before tazers existed? Good verbal skills. Good thinking abilities. Having the courage to risk getting hurt. Now it's "Oh..... this guy might hurt me. I'll just shoot him." Weak wristed people have no buisness doing a man's job. . Exactly. Cops of yesteryear shake their head at this stuff. Back in the day, a cop with a cigarette in one hand would have walked up to this guy, told him to lay down, and if the guy didn't, cop would have smacked him in the arm a few times with a baton. Then off to the pokey. Now, it's off to the cemetery. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56987235 United States 05/21/2014 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was NO NEED to shoot him at all, tazer or no tazer. What did good cops do before tazers existed? Good verbal skills. Good thinking abilities. Having the courage to risk getting hurt. Now it's "Oh..... this guy might hurt me. I'll just shoot him." Weak wristed people have no buisness doing a man's job. . Exactly. Cops of yesteryear shake their head at this stuff. Back in the day, a cop with a cigarette in one hand would have walked up to this guy, told him to lay down, and if the guy didn't, cop would have smacked him in the arm a few times with a baton. Then off to the pokey. Now, it's off to the cemetery. Yes, I pictured a few of those cigarette smoking cops when I read your comment. They were good cops who used the least amount of force required to get the job done without shooting anyone. A nightstick in their hands was extremely effective. Good grief..... there were TWO cops against one guy. I know 2 FEMALE cops who handled a male fighter all by themselves a few decades ago. Nobody got shot and the fighter got thumped and hauled to jail. Just like it should be. I hate to speak badly about the entire police profession, but from what I have been seeing, the new cops are garbage. I'm sure that can't be true of all young cops, but it sure true about many of them. . |
Use your brian, moran! User ID: 3873422 United States 05/21/2014 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583126yNTUzODUxXzQ0MzQ2NDYxX0FGQTE4QUMy Vid won't play for me for some reason & I'm curious to know.......how close was the guy with this pair of shears? It doesn't MATTER if he "threatened them with garden shears" - it's clear from looking at the video they were FOLLOWING him while he was slowly walking AWAY from them...only when the cop came in closer did the guy appear to make an aggressive move. If the cops had continued their efforts to just contain and monitor the guy, this could have ended differently. By coming in super close with a loaded gun pointed at the guy's head, the cop caused the man death. That's called, eh hem, MURDER. What part of "the vid won't play for me" are you unable to wrap your last two functioning brain cells around, you taint munching chode?! I have NUMEROUS reasons for asking & the ONLY justification that I can come up with, again, WITHOUT being able to see the footage, would be if the guy had a cop on the ground & had the sheers to his throat but that would require someone who is willing to consider an option other than just shooting to kill because they know that they can get away with it. I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56987235 United States 05/21/2014 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the police point a gun at you it must be for a reason? YOU STOP and raise your hands and don't move!! I think he deserved to get shot! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24829148 Good grief....... are you as cowardly and stupid as those cops? None of the people who were ordered out of their homes at gunpoint by Boston SWAT after the FAKE bombing deserved that treatment. I can well imagine that in other parts of the country, some of those cops would have been shot for doing that. Some people are peaceful, but inside they are extremely violent when properly provoked. Cowards will pay the price in the end. |
Alivenz User ID: 37896910 New Zealand 05/21/2014 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come on', you're telling me that out of the 3 cops on scene, not a single tazer worked Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43141194 Tasers are for sissies who lack good verbal skills. Guns are for weak wristed sissies who lack verbal skills. Police don't need to be able to communicate effectively anymore. Being able to squeeze a trigger seems to be the only qualification anymore. There was a day when cops were men. That day has passed. . ^^^This^^^ The American police force seems to largely consist of fools, bullies and thugs. Serve and protect? Only themselves. Alivenz |
angienader User ID: 57389217 United States 05/21/2014 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in Monterey county and we get the same local news. First they were reporting the same thing. Then later in the evening they showed the clip frame by frame. The guy did turn around and got close to the officer. However if police feel threatened then they should be trained to shoot to incapacitate, not kill. Salinas is a Town Filled With gangs. The guy had gardening shears, he was asked to put them down. Again shoot to incapacitate, not kill. |
Magnus74 User ID: 1195999 United States 05/21/2014 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You left out the part where he started threatening the officers with garden-shears. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58312668 An almost foolproof method of "suicide by cop." Hey fuck nuggets, dude had NOTHING in his hands, watch the video taken. ^^___STYLE POINTS___^^ but still a fail. You owe that dude an apology now turkey tits. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56987235 United States 05/21/2014 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in Monterey county and we get the same local news. First they were reporting the same thing. Then later in the evening they showed the clip frame by frame. The guy did turn around and got close to the officer. However if police feel threatened then they should be trained to shoot to incapacitate, not kill. Salinas is a Town Filled With gangs. The guy had gardening shears, he was asked to put them down. Again shoot to incapacitate, not kill. Quoting: angienader I'm guessing that this is the video that you mentioned. So here is the thing. If this victim was a real threat to the officer, why did the officer willingly get so close to him? Why did the officer put himself in immediate danger? Was he going to hit the victim with his gun? Handguns make very poor clubs compared to a nightstick. Was the cop so bad a shot that he needed to be very close to be sure that he would not miss? Why didn't one of the cops have a nightstick while the other cop held his gun ready to shoot the victim if need be? Better cops would have both had their nightsicks in hand and they both would have thumped the guy into submission if that was required. This was VERY BAD police work. Morons wearing police uniforms are still morons. Cowards wearing police uniforms are still cowards. I am not favorably impressed with those cops. They murdered a man that a good cop would have arrested. . |
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Éireann User ID: 943344 United States 05/21/2014 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was NO NEED to shoot him at all, tazer or no tazer. What did good cops do before tazers existed? Good verbal skills. Good thinking abilities. Having the courage to risk getting hurt. Now it's "Oh..... this guy might hurt me. I'll just shoot him." Weak wristed people have no business doing a man's job. . You're a rare thing these days :) Thank you for your post. Made me smile! Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56987235 United States 05/21/2014 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could easily just shoot his legs and drop him to ground in pain. better but they trained to kill and shoot in the middle of your chest to make sure you are shoot dead. dude was walking for few minutes, those cops look dirty Who knows what garbage the police are being taught by the TOP COPS these days? Before 9-11, cops were never trained to "shoot to kill". They were always taught to shoot to stop an assault that could NOT be handled in a less lethal manner. The suspect living or dying was never a concern. Stopping the aggression was all that mattered. Even more important..... cops were not taught to draw their guns at the least provocation. It's difficult to physically fight with someone when you are holding a gun. Guns are the LAST resort, not the first. Those stupid cops limited their own ability to effectively handle this situation by having their guns in their hands when they were NOT threatened by the victim. The victim was in retreat the entire time. STUPID and COWARDLY cops murdered that man. . |
wk User ID: 40337870 United States 05/21/2014 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the police point a gun at you it must be for a reason? YOU STOP and raise your hands and don't move!! I think he deserved to get shot! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24829148 You people keep forgetting that a person is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. You keep forgetting that cops are not judge and jury. Their purpose is to bring people in; they are not hired to instill capital punishment. In most states, we don't even have capital punishment anymore. Unless the cops are threatened, their job is not to kill. It's like you people don't even know your own rights. That guys could be guilty as hell, but the cops are not supposed to shoot until/unless they feel he is a threat. Why are you so willing to give up your safety to someone because they are walking around with a suit on? violet |
Use your brian, moran! User ID: 50270858 United States 05/21/2014 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could easily just shoot his legs and drop him to ground in pain. better but they trained to kill and shoot in the middle of your chest to make sure you are shoot dead. dude was walking for few minutes, those cops look dirty Who knows what garbage the police are being taught by the TOP COPS these days? Before 9-11, cops were never trained to "shoot to kill". They were always taught to shoot to stop an assault that could NOT be handled in a less lethal manner. The suspect living or dying was never a concern. Stopping the aggression was all that mattered. Even more important..... cops were not taught to draw their guns at the least provocation. It's difficult to physically fight with someone when you are holding a gun. Guns are the LAST resort, not the first. Those stupid cops limited their own ability to effectively handle this situation by having their guns in their hands when they were NOT threatened by the victim. The victim was in retreat the entire time. STUPID and COWARDLY cops murdered that man. . I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45028303 United States 05/21/2014 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could easily just shoot his legs and drop him to ground in pain. better but they trained to kill and shoot in the middle of your chest to make sure you are shoot dead. dude was walking for few minutes, those cops look dirty Who knows what garbage the police are being taught by the TOP COPS these days? Before 9-11, cops were never trained to "shoot to kill". They were always taught to shoot to stop an assault that could NOT be handled in a less lethal manner. The suspect living or dying was never a concern. Stopping the aggression was all that mattered. Even more important..... cops were not taught to draw their guns at the least provocation. It's difficult to physically fight with someone when you are holding a gun. Guns are the LAST resort, not the first. Those stupid cops limited their own ability to effectively handle this situation by having their guns in their hands when they were NOT threatened by the victim. The victim was in retreat the entire time. STUPID and COWARDLY cops murdered that man. . That guy was soo drunk..Any real guy could have taking him down and had him handcuffed in 2.5 seconds without killing him...One guy distract him while the other come from the side and one good hit to his jaw and down he goes..Cuff him and send him to detox...I think this was about a drunk guy that became a game of cat and mouse...They toyed with him a little bit and then killed him...I think it happends a lot...Just this one was recorded... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56987235 United States 05/21/2014 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could easily just shoot his legs and drop him to ground in pain. better but they trained to kill and shoot in the middle of your chest to make sure you are shoot dead. dude was walking for few minutes, those cops look dirty Who knows what garbage the police are being taught by the TOP COPS these days? Before 9-11, cops were never trained to "shoot to kill". They were always taught to shoot to stop an assault that could NOT be handled in a less lethal manner. The suspect living or dying was never a concern. Stopping the aggression was all that mattered. Even more important..... cops were not taught to draw their guns at the least provocation. It's difficult to physically fight with someone when you are holding a gun. Guns are the LAST resort, not the first. Those stupid cops limited their own ability to effectively handle this situation by having their guns in their hands when they were NOT threatened by the victim. The victim was in retreat the entire time. STUPID and COWARDLY cops murdered that man. . That guy was soo drunk..Any real guy could have taking him down and had him handcuffed in 2.5 seconds without killing him...One guy distract him while the other come from the side and one good hit to his jaw and down he goes..Cuff him and send him to detox...I think this was about a drunk guy that became a game of cat and mouse...They toyed with him a little bit and then killed him...I think it happends a lot...Just this one was recorded... Another MAJOR difference between cops before 9-11 and cops after 9-11 is that cops NEVER pointed their drawn firearms directly at people without having a VERY good reason to do that before 9-11. If a cop felt a need to have his / her gun drawn, it was pointed at a 45 degree down at the ground in front of the officer and NOT directly at anyone. Now we see cops pointing their guns directly at people, no matter what. Watch that video again and you will see that those cops were pointing their guns directly at the victim the entire time without just cause. Watch any cop show on TV and the new shows have the cops pointing their guns at everyone. That is called "aggravated assault", which is a felony. Cops are committing aggravated assaults on unarmed people on a regular basis now all around the country. Try doing that to a cop and if you live, you are likely going to prison. Would that victim have retreated from the cops if they were NOT pointing their guns at him? Could the cops have talked him into cuffs without any threat of violence if they did not point their guns at him? This was VERY BAD police work. . |
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Fatstogie User ID: 54025997 United States 05/21/2014 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the article (which you should have read) it says they first tried a Tazer, but it was busted and didn't work. Dumbass. KEY WORD THEY tried A taser. So either you didnt read it as well as you thought or you misquoted it. Either or. But yea 3 cops, 3 tasers.... they all busted? Also why approach the man anyway? IF a guy is brandishing a weapon do you just calmly walk up to him? not unless you plan to shoot him already. Other wise theyd have tackled him. That dude walked up with teh full intention of shooting that guy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56249778 United States 05/21/2014 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the article (which you should have read) it says they first tried a Tazer, but it was busted and didn't work. Dumbass. KEY WORD THEY tried A taser. So either you didnt read it as well as you thought or you misquoted it. Either or. But yea 3 cops, 3 tasers.... they all busted? Also why approach the man anyway? IF a guy is brandishing a weapon do you just calmly walk up to him? not unless you plan to shoot him already. Other wise theyd have tackled him. That dude walked up with teh full intention of shooting that guy. Good point. The guy you're responding to is an idiot. |
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