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There is no other country for me. Im in the last free one! But times they be a changing. I havent even begun to fight this shit! Im still yawning! I know my rights. And this shit isnt gonna fly. Ive dealt with ever fricking government agency there is in this state...if you only knew.
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last free one? wow you are so ignorant
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Watch your mouth asshole! I love my country, just not the dickwads running it into the ground. Im a freeman, its all that matters, cant take that from me no matter what you do.
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lolol you are gonna regret not getting off the sinking ship.
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electric fence.

everyone around here has those, they seem to really work. Probably find a used set up for cheap.
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Wont work for pits. It's just like the lady telling me i can make one kenenl and throw them all in together? Seriously? At that point you shouldnt be giving advice on pit bulls, your clueless.
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well shit, if they are so aggressive you can't put them in one kennel, wtf are you doing with them? they are obviously a threat to others if they will kill eachother.
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Thats B.S my Chihuahuas fight eachother when kenneled up together...Soo stupid...
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Thanks for pointing that out! Ive always said chihuahuas have a pit bull mentality. You dont cage them together. God bless ya!!! I love CHihuahuas!!
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There is no other country for me. Im in the last free one! But times they be a changing. I havent even begun to fight this shit! Im still yawning! I know my rights. And this shit isnt gonna fly. Ive dealt with ever fricking government agency there is in this state...if you only knew.
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last free one? wow you are so ignorant
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Watch your mouth asshole! I love my country, just not the dickwads running it into the ground. Im a freeman, its all that matters, cant take that from me no matter what you do.
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lolol you are gonna regret not getting off the sinking ship.
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Its already sank! Get real.
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Seems to me that being given 'three days to comply' with something outrageously expensive, is totally unrealistic, and unfair. Not many folks could come up with that kind of money in three days, let alone get the work done, or the equipment bought and set up. Sounds to me like they are setting this up to fail from the get go. Which smacks of 'something else' going on.
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Could be right. Everything seems to be through deception these days. Thanks.
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Build some chain link or cattle fence kennels quick, then fight it. Dogs are fine in large kennels for short time. Or bring them all in the house and deal with it.

Giving your dogs up over it shouldn't even be an option.
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My dogs are inside everynight. But i have to be abel to keep them safe when im working and away.

I just got the call from the county, and demanded an interview with her supervisor.

SHe said it was above her pay grade to make a decision she is going to enforce the law, and has no personal opinion on the matter. SHe tried to tell me that keeping them on a 70 foot cable run was cruel and the dog was much better off inside a kennel. I live out in the forest so my dogs can be free. And now they are telling me to cage them up?

Your damn straight im gonna fight it, even if it is futile!
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hell,i dont even have a 70 ft cable..blink
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I want them to come watch me handle my dogs! See how much they love their cable runs! I let them out in the morning and just walk to the leader and its like they are jostling to see who gets the best spot! No joke, i dont even have to call them to get on their leader chains, they do it willingly. The cables are about 7 to 8 ft off the ground wrapped around a tree at either end with that cable run through a scrap piece of garden hose, as not to harm the tree. ANd then a heavy duty pulley has a leader chain clipped to it, and the other end to another clip on the dogs collar.

I replace the pulleys about every six months, nothing last forever. But to have someone who doesnt know squat about the
breed tell me whats better for my dog, when i know for a fact it isnt, is infuriating. Especially when all they will say is they have no opinion! They just enforce "the law"!!

I could go on and on. Pretty soon they will tell me i have to have garages built for all of my cars, as to protect the view of the forest to passersby. Its fucking maddening!
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Long runners are much better than a kenneled dog.My dog has a runner that goes fro the post of my house across a huge grassy yard to the tree at the end of my property.It also keeps people from tresspassing onto my property because hes there.Maybe someone wants to come in and snoop when your not home.People with deep pockets and pay off anyone.Do more research on who is behind this.
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Seems to me that being given 'three days to comply' with something outrageously expensive, is totally unrealistic, and unfair. Not many folks could come up with that kind of money in three days, let alone get the work done, or the equipment bought and set up. Sounds to me like they are setting this up to fail from the get go. Which smacks of 'something else' going on.
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hesright
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My dogs are inside everynight. But i have to be abel to keep them safe when im working and away.

I just got the call from the county, and demanded an interview with her supervisor.

SHe said it was above her pay grade to make a decision she is going to enforce the law, and has no personal opinion on the matter. SHe tried to tell me that keeping them on a 70 foot cable run was cruel and the dog was much better off inside a kennel. I live out in the forest so my dogs can be free. And now they are telling me to cage them up?

Your damn straight im gonna fight it, even if it is futile!
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hell,i dont even have a 70 ft cable..blink
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I want them to come watch me handle my dogs! See how much they love their cable runs! I let them out in the morning and just walk to the leader and its like they are jostling to see who gets the best spot! No joke, i dont even have to call them to get on their leader chains, they do it willingly. The cables are about 7 to 8 ft off the ground wrapped around a tree at either end with that cable run through a scrap piece of garden hose, as not to harm the tree. ANd then a heavy duty pulley has a leader chain clipped to it, and the other end to another clip on the dogs collar.

I replace the pulleys about every six months, nothing last forever. But to have someone who doesnt know squat about the
breed tell me whats better for my dog, when i know for a fact it isnt, is infuriating. Especially when all they will say is they have no opinion! They just enforce "the law"!!

I could go on and on. Pretty soon they will tell me i have to have garages built for all of my cars, as to protect the view of the forest to passersby. Its fucking maddening!
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Long runners are much better than a kenneled dog.My dog has a runner that goes fro the post of my house across a huge grassy yard to the tree at the end of my property.It also keeps people from tresspassing onto my property because hes there.Maybe someone wants to come in and snoop when your not home.People with deep pockets and pay off anyone.Do more research on who is behind this.
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So right! With four cables runs you dont want to be walking around on my property day or night. Its why its set up like that! Its my fucking right to do so! They are just trying to legislate more and more rights away. I will fight it all the way, just like ive done everything else. Thanks for your comments! Much love!
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Take it to court
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my dogs were number on reason I moved to Texas

but..he is right take it court…but look at animal groups and rescues for support fight for your family
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The town I live in here in East Texas outlawed pits and 'any dangerous breed' completely. i wish people would stop portraying Texas as some bastion of freedom, it's the most corrupt and fascist state in the entire country. If you're part of the clique you can do ANYTHING including murder, assault and rape and it will be covered up, but if you're not you're open to continuous oppression. DO NOT move to Texas expecting freedom, you will be disapointed
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No Trespassing signs
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Pit bulls should be bred out of existence, their minuses outweigh the positives. They inherently dangerous and a liability a logical person would not want responsibility for. IMO
On the other hand the four you have should be grandfathered in, you just should not be allowed to replace them. IMO
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Take it to court
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my dogs were number on reason I moved to Texas

but..he is right take it court…but look at animal groups and rescues for support fight for your family
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The town I live in here in East Texas outlawed pits and 'any dangerous breed' completely. i wish people would stop portraying Texas as some bastion of freedom, it's the most corrupt and fascist state in the entire country. If you're part of the clique you can do ANYTHING including murder, assault and rape and it will be covered up, but if you're not you're open to continuous oppression. DO NOT move to Texas expecting freedom, you will be disapointed
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Funny shit brada, i moved from there. It isnt just TX though this country is ripping apart at the seams.
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No Trespassing signs
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Got em!
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Most dog laws have loopholes. If you google dog tether laws with your county, state, or whoever has control of your area, you'll no doubt find a loophole.

Some tethering laws state the amount of time they can be "tethered," that they have water available, that they may not be tethered to an immovable object...which a tree is, but a "run line" wouldn't be. Some offer exclusions for a movable line.

Did the agent who came to your house have a search warrant supported by oath or affirmation? (name of person complaining, reason for complaining, and facts of complaint) and area to be searched?

If he/she plans to take the dogs, what compensation has been agreed on? New Mexico states that:

Chapter 77. Livestock Code.
Article 1. Dogs and Domesticated Animals.

§ 77-1-1. Dogs, cats, domesticated fowls, and birds deemed personal property [FN1]

That dogs, cats and domesticated fowls and birds shall be deemed and considered as personal property, and all remedies given for the recovery of personal property and of damages for injuries thereto are hereby extended to them.

[link to www.animallaw.info]

Another technicality, in my state, maybe all?, when you have two laws that conflict, one law has to be changed. In general, NM seems to have some conflicting laws. For example, it says a dog should have adequate exercise area for it's size, breed, or whatever. Wouldn't the kennel idea conflict with "adequate exercise" unless it was a prohibitively expensive one?? Paraphrasing.

A lawyer would be your best bet if you choose to fight it, but you can probably save some money by looking up your laws and having them ready for him along with some ideas.

May whatever happens be what's best for you, your family, and your dogs.

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Pit bulls should be bred out of existence, their minuses outweigh the positives. They inherently dangerous and a liability a logical person would not want responsibility for. IMO
On the other hand the four you have should be grandfathered in, you just should not be allowed to replace them. IMO
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What ever, you know nothing about them only the negative shit. Bad people make bad dogs. Has nothing at all to do with the breed.
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Most dog laws have loopholes. If you google dog tether laws with your county, state, or whoever has control of your area, you'll no doubt find a loophole.

Some tethering laws state the amount of time they can be "tethered," that they have water available, that they may not be tethered to an immovable object...which a tree is, but a "run line" wouldn't be. Some offer exclusions for a movable line.

Did the agent who came to your house have a search warrant supported by oath or affirmation? (name of person complaining, reason for complaining, and facts of complaint) and area to be searched?

If he/she plans to take the dogs, what compensation has been agreed on? New Mexico states that:

Chapter 77. Livestock Code.
Article 1. Dogs and Domesticated Animals.

§ 77-1-1. Dogs, cats, domesticated fowls, and birds deemed personal property [FN1]

That dogs, cats and domesticated fowls and birds shall be deemed and considered as personal property, and all remedies given for the recovery of personal property and of damages for injuries thereto are hereby extended to them.

[link to www.animallaw.info]

Another technicality, in my state, maybe all?, when you have two laws that conflict, one law has to be changed. In general, NM seems to have some conflicting laws. For example, it says a dog should have adequate exercise area for it's size, breed, or whatever. Paraphrasing.

A lawyer would be your best bet if you choose to fight it, but you can probably save some money by looking up your laws and having them ready for him along with some ideas.

May whatever happens be what's best for you, your family, and your dogs.
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Thanks again, im all over it.
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There is no other country for me. Im in the last free one! But times they be a changing. I havent even begun to fight this shit! Im still yawning! I know my rights. And this shit isnt gonna fly. Ive dealt with ever fricking government agency there is in this state...if you only knew.
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only sort of related how did you like gary johnson as gov.?
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Pit bulls should be bred out of existence, their minuses outweigh the positives. They inherently dangerous and a liability a logical person would not want responsibility for. IMO
On the other hand the four you have should be grandfathered in, you just should not be allowed to replace them. IMO
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WIth a name like KYbeam, im sure your kind will breed itself out of existence... IMO
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There is no other country for me. Im in the last free one! But times they be a changing. I havent even begun to fight this shit! Im still yawning! I know my rights. And this shit isnt gonna fly. Ive dealt with ever fricking government agency there is in this state...if you only knew.
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only sort of related how did you like gary johnson as gov.?
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That guy i love! WOuld love to see him as president!!! IMO
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I rescued a very vicious German Shepard several years back. He was being trained as a K9 but his trainer died half way through the training and the widow wanted him gone. The State Humane Officer called me & asked me to come rescue the dog - a beautiful all black G.S.. He wouldn't let anyone in his compound & the S.O. was about to shoot it. I was its last chance. They knew I lived remotely and that I had fenced property. So I did. It took me almost 45 minutes to calm the poor dog down until he finally let me leash him up to take out of the compound.

The SHO warned me that he was a jumper, climber & a digger, had gotten out of his compound before and had terrorized the neighborhood. His compound was a fortress too! And my fencing was only 5 feet high. So I got a bull-charger and strung wire - near bottom of fence and out a bit and then another string of wire up higher. All it took was one shock from that fence and he wouldn't even go near it after that. Never had a problem with him escaping or even trying to. He wouldn't get even 6 feet from the fence.

Btw, he turned out to be a sweetheart with us & our kids and other animals. But he hated everyone else not in our immediate family. Had to lock him up when anyone came to visit.

Don't know if such would work for your dogs but don't know why not. My fence was just field fencing but would have hated to have to put in a sturdier,higher fence - had 5 acre parcel with 3 acres fenced. The hot wire saved me from having to do that.

Whatever you do don't let them take them. Even some so called no-kill shelters put down pits. Call a pit rescue before you let animal control have them.

Wish you luck.
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Well the day of encroachment has arrived for my wife and i. Ive been working alot on a couple of projects in town, and over the memorial weekend animal protection came out and served me the counties orange notice telling me i have 3 days to comply. I havent even been on GLP much because of my current work load, but i figured id post this and see if anyone could help.

I have 4 bull terriers, i live up in the mountains on two and a half acres of private property in the forest 25 miles from town. My dogs are on 70ft. long cable runs allowing them a 30ft wide span and about 80' length they can travel back and forth. WHen i get home my dogs are inside the house with me 2 at a time. They get alternated every night. And are moved to a different location so as not to get bored being confined to the same location. I have plenty of room. My dogs are friendly and ive been raising pits for more than thirty years now. Ive lived at this location for 7 years with my dogs on these trolly systems. Hardware gets replaced every six months to insure no escape.

Animal control is demanding that i remove the trolleys and have the dogs confined in a kennel, with a top on it! Because even the puppy at 7 months will clear a six ft fence. I love my dogs and so do all the nieces and nephews, they actually claim each of the dogs as their own...lol

I have three days to comply or i will have to surrender my family members. My dogs are like my family and out here where it would be at least a half hour before law enforcement could get here, the dogs have been great protectors and warning systems as well.

This is what i call over reaching government, i live on private property, WTF? I guess i need to downsize to min pins? I called my neighbor, hes a retired federal agent. He watches and feeds my dogs for me when im out on my work trips. He told me its getting crazy, that they are now telling everyone how many chickens and goats and horses your allowed to have.

Ive about had all i can take!!!! Please respond with intelligent responses. I can not imagine confining my dogs in separate kennels so they can walk in their piss and shit all day, this is a fucking outrage. My oldest is six years old, and im guessing im just gonna have to surrender them. Three days, with me working isnt near enough time to change what ive been doing for a decade.

So now i guess whats better is they just come and pick them up for non compliance with a new, nine month old ordinance? How is this fair to me or my dogs? They will put them down for sure. Fuck obama and all his degenerate minions! This country is going to the fucking shit hole!!
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My thoughts, brother... put them in a kennel temporarily, so that you do not have to surrender your dogs. Comply for the sake of fucking complying while you file a complaint with every pissant in that town. The officials, the newspaper, your attorney, etc.

I would also agree with another poster who mentioned you may be grandfathered in. That is a strong possibility and hope that's the case. But, until it is resolved, kennel them for the time being. It sucks, and it's bullshit, but persistence mixed in with a little hell-raising will most likely resolve this. And I wouldn't given them any ammo while you work your way up through the system until you are heard and action is taken. Surrendering your dogs will only give them the impression that you don't care to fight for your animals, and they will be in a far more horrible situation than you temporarily kenneling them.

Good luck!
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There is no other country for me. Im in the last free one! But times they be a changing. I havent even begun to fight this shit! Im still yawning! I know my rights. And this shit isnt gonna fly. Ive dealt with ever fricking government agency there is in this state...if you only knew.
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only sort of related how did you like gary johnson as gov.?
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That guy i love! WOuld love to see him as president!!! IMO
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ME TOO.I am tried of over reaching government
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Let's just hope one them does not turn on somone you love.
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Thats a terrible situation, as far as i understand you live in remote area and your dogs dont pose a threat to anyone around. Im not familiar with the laws in US but from my point of view this looks like a personal attack, maybe some cunt in the administration doesnt like the breed or dogs in general and you were unfortunate to cross his path. I have pitbull (6 yr.) and i just cant imagine how someone will take him away for me. And all these years he never showed a single sign of aggression against people or other animals. Pitbulls are as dangerous as any other dogs, there is nothing geneticly evil in them, when you take a puppy is like taking a blank page , its all up to you what will end up on that page. My dog literally piss himself when someone comes home, he is equally friendly to people that he knows well and complete strangers and in the worst case scenario the person will end up licked to death. Maybe the popularity of the breed within certain kinds of people is a bit responsible for the bad reputation in general. I hope that everything works out fine and dont give up on your dogs.
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Wont work for pits. It's just like the lady telling me i can make one kenenl and throw them all in together? Seriously? At that point you shouldnt be giving advice on pit bulls, your clueless.
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well shit, if they are so aggressive you can't put them in one kennel, wtf are you doing with them? they are obviously a threat to others if they will kill eachother.
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Thats B.S my Chihuahuas fight eachother when kenneled up together...Soo stupid...
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Thanks for pointing that out! Ive always said chihuahuas have a pit bull mentality. You dont cage them together. God bless ya!!! I love CHihuahuas!!
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Yes and people need to understand that dogs can be aggressive and fight with eachother but not aggressive and fight with humans.Its kinda like kids fighting with their siblings but a child is not gonna hit or pull an adults hair like they would another child or sibling.Its dog behavior.
I have a 70 ib bulldog and two 5 pound chihuahas the Chihuahuas always fight with eachother and my bully is a big baby that wouldn't even hurt a fly.Stereo typing is annoying. Its funny because people walking by are scared of my bull but not the Chihuahuas. If they only knew them better.
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Let's just hope one them does not turn on somone you love.
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LMAO! your kidding right? My dogs are love bugs. Unless someone like you shows up.
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BTW, if anyone lives near Gainesville, FL, the shelter there is waiving their adoption fees right now for a dog or a cat.
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A bit south of you hun. Got my pooch in ocala.

Live in st lucie co.
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I'm a bit crazy in that I could not really afford to have another one, with vet's fees and all, but like I said, I'm a bit out there sometimes, so I might just do it - a short haired one with no grooming required.

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well shit, if they are so aggressive you can't put them in one kennel, wtf are you doing with them? they are obviously a threat to others if they will kill eachother.
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Thats B.S my Chihuahuas fight eachother when kenneled up together...Soo stupid...
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Thanks for pointing that out! Ive always said chihuahuas have a pit bull mentality. You dont cage them together. God bless ya!!! I love CHihuahuas!!
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Yes and people need to understand that dogs can be aggressive and fight with eachother but not aggressive and fight with humans.Its kinda like kids fighting with their siblings but a child is not gonna hit or pull an adults hair like they would another child or sibling.Its dog behavior.
I have a 70 ib bulldog and two 5 pound chihuahas the Chihuahuas always fight with eachother and my bully is a big baby that wouldn't even hurt a fly.Stereo typing is annoying. Its funny because people walking by are scared of my bull but not the Chihuahuas. If they only knew them better.
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I had a buddy i took my pit over to. He has two very aggressive min pins. He didnt know i had my boy with me. He opened the door and they bolted out and were viciously attacking my pit, from one end to the other! My buddy freaked out he thought my dog would just munch them.

My dog stuck his head up into the air to avoid being bit in the face, until they stopped and ran back inside. Didnt even care he was being attacked. He knows what he is, and respects other dogs.
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Re: Animal Lovers Beware!
Let's just hope one them does not turn on somone you love.
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LMAO! your kidding right? My dogs are love bugs. Unless someone like you shows up.
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You judge and threaten a complete and anonymous stranger on the interent by one innocuous comment?

Maybe the county is on to something after all.





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