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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Yes its been proven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58672390 No aluminum armor piercing ammunition, EVER No aluminum saw blades. EVER If they could have, they would have. World Trade Center Office Tower piercing projectiles though...exist. No. 2" think tempered steel box beams are impervious to 10mm of T6 aluminum even at 400 mph.. It's not even close. Light metal simply shatters to dust upon impact with tempered steel and that's the facts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Well what do you mean by cut? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58679381 Lead is very soft, but when launched at a high enough velocity, it can go through steel. You could never "cut" that steel with lead though. Not so. lead liquifies upon contact and does no cutting at firearm speeds. What cuts metal in bullets which are hyperspeed compared to aircraft speeds is the harder metal jackets. |
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Dalek Uno (OP) User ID: 58682501 Germany 05/30/2014 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Yes its been proven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58672390 No aluminum armor piercing ammunition, EVER No aluminum saw blades. EVER If they could have, they would have. World Trade Center Office Tower piercing projectiles though...exist. No. 2" think tempered steel box beams are impervious to 10mm of T6 aluminum even at 400 mph.. It's not even close. Light metal simply shatters to dust upon impact with tempered steel and that's the facts. And there is no way around this ? |
darkwolf007 User ID: 33855023 United States 05/30/2014 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Yes its been proven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58672390 No aluminum armor piercing ammunition, EVER No aluminum saw blades. EVER If they could have, they would have. World Trade Center Office Tower piercing projectiles though...exist. No. 2" think tempered steel box beams are impervious to 10mm of T6 aluminum even at 400 mph.. It's not even close. Light metal simply shatters to dust upon impact with tempered steel and that's the facts. I think this has merit, people! As so long as it's an aluminum knife or blade sharpened and is used to cut into a sheet of steel... that's a nano layer thick. lol Of course aluminum doesn't have the strength to do much else. The best thing aluminum can do is hold my soft drink of my choice! Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58679381 United States 05/30/2014 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Well what do you mean by cut? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58679381 Lead is very soft, but when launched at a high enough velocity, it can go through steel. You could never "cut" that steel with lead though. Not so. lead liquifies upon contact and does no cutting at firearm speeds. What cuts metal in bullets which are hyperspeed compared to aircraft speeds is the harder metal jackets. Pretty sure I could fire a normal lead ball .45acp round through a steel car door. Of course, there are many factors at play, the car door is obviously very thin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Yes its been proven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58672390 No aluminum armor piercing ammunition, EVER No aluminum saw blades. EVER If they could have, they would have. World Trade Center Office Tower piercing projectiles though...exist. No. 2" think tempered steel box beams are impervious to 10mm of T6 aluminum even at 400 mph.. It's not even close. Light metal simply shatters to dust upon impact with tempered steel and that's the facts. And there is no way around this ? there is kinda, but it requires mass and hypervelocity in ranges of perhaps 5 to 10 miles per second, not something as slow as an aircraft. Mass and velocity can compensate somewhat for weakness of crystal structure. That's why shaped charges work the way they do. You are never going to cut down a larger thicker steel pole with an aluminum bat under normal velocity ranges. |
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Dalek Uno (OP) User ID: 58682501 Germany 05/30/2014 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? No. 2" think tempered steel box beams are impervious to 10mm of T6 aluminum even at 400 mph.. It's not even close. Light metal simply shatters to dust upon impact with tempered steel and that's the facts. And there is no way around this ? there is kinda, but it requires mass and hypervelocity in ranges of perhaps 5 to 10 miles per second, not something as slow as an aircraft. Mass and velocity can compensate somewhat for weakness of crystal structure. That's why shaped charges work the way they do. You are never going to cut down a larger thicker steel pole with an aluminum bat under normal velocity ranges. I wonder what happened to the Pentagon then |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Well what do you mean by cut? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58679381 Lead is very soft, but when launched at a high enough velocity, it can go through steel. You could never "cut" that steel with lead though. Not so. lead liquifies upon contact and does no cutting at firearm speeds. What cuts metal in bullets which are hyperspeed compared to aircraft speeds is the harder metal jackets. Pretty sure I could fire a normal lead ball .45acp round through a steel car door. Of course, there are many factors at play, the car door is obviously very thin. that's not cutting, thats overwhelming the distributed mass of a thin sheet of steel with the concentrated mass of lead. If you watch it in slow motion, the metal is stretched until it fails while the lead bullet melts at the friction interface. If you think because you can punch through toilet paper you can punch through a pine log, please, can I watch? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58672390 No. 2" think tempered steel box beams are impervious to 10mm of T6 aluminum even at 400 mph.. It's not even close. Light metal simply shatters to dust upon impact with tempered steel and that's the facts. And there is no way around this ? there is kinda, but it requires mass and hypervelocity in ranges of perhaps 5 to 10 miles per second, not something as slow as an aircraft. Mass and velocity can compensate somewhat for weakness of crystal structure. That's why shaped charges work the way they do. You are never going to cut down a larger thicker steel pole with an aluminum bat under normal velocity ranges. I wonder what happened to the Pentagon then I have no idea, since the engines had the strongest metal of the aircraft in them, the fact that there were no engine impacts evident on the bldg walls the only logical assumption is that they disappeared into the 8th dimension by time/space warp and not seen again, probably like the black boxes that were never found either, though apparently passports survived. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58679381 United States 05/30/2014 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Well what do you mean by cut? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58679381 Lead is very soft, but when launched at a high enough velocity, it can go through steel. You could never "cut" that steel with lead though. Not so. lead liquifies upon contact and does no cutting at firearm speeds. What cuts metal in bullets which are hyperspeed compared to aircraft speeds is the harder metal jackets. Pretty sure I could fire a normal lead ball .45acp round through a steel car door. Of course, there are many factors at play, the car door is obviously very thin. that's not cutting, thats overwhelming the distributed mass of a thin sheet of steel with the concentrated mass of lead. If you watch it in slow motion, the metal is stretched until it fails while the lead bullet melts at the friction interface. If you think because you can punch through toilet paper you can punch through a pine log, please, can I watch? I never said it cut it, I said it went through. Which it would. You said lead would liquify and the metal jacket punches through, now you say the concentrated mass of the lead overwhelms the steel. Your semantics don't have a point to this part of the submission. A softer material can break through a harder material given the right conditions, fact. I don't think that was the case with the WTC, mind you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31977304 United States 05/30/2014 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Can some of you people please just read this and try to comprehend it...?? I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering, specifically materials science and heat transfer. When you have any material of a specific mass, travelling at a specific velocity and then impacting another material, you have to conserve several quantities: Energy Momentum At 500mph, a 160 ton object (a plane) has tremendous amounts of kinetic energy. When the plane impacts the steel building, the force from this impact only affects the local areas of the columns which were impacted. The force put onto these columns is MUCH more than enough to cause them to buckle, and it doesn't depend on what material is impacting... The plane could have been made out of potatoes, or plastic, and the force put onto the structure would still be very large. Of course the plane was shredded upon impact, as it was like cheese hitting a cheese grater at 100mph lol.... But the momentum and kinetic energy would easily cause the handful of columns to fail. You can read reports of tornados, about how a 2x4 was thrown at 200mph and went through a steel door, or concrete... Or watch the videos on youtube of people launching pumpkins at 300mph through steel plates.... Anybody who thinks there were 'no planes' because 'aluminum can't break steel' would seriously be laughed at by any person who successfully passed 8th grade physics..... |
Dalek Uno (OP) User ID: 58682501 Germany 05/30/2014 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Can some of you people please just read this and try to comprehend it...?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31977304 I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering, specifically materials science and heat transfer. When you have any material of a specific mass, travelling at a specific velocity and then impacting another material, you have to conserve several quantities: Energy Momentum At 500mph, a 160 ton object (a plane) has tremendous amounts of kinetic energy. When the plane impacts the steel building, the force from this impact only affects the local areas of the columns which were impacted. The force put onto these columns is MUCH more than enough to cause them to buckle, and it doesn't depend on what material is impacting... The plane could have been made out of potatoes, or plastic, and the force put onto the structure would still be very large. Of course the plane was shredded upon impact, as it was like cheese hitting a cheese grater at 100mph lol.... But the momentum and kinetic energy would easily cause the handful of columns to fail. You can read reports of tornados, about how a 2x4 was thrown at 200mph and went through a steel door, or concrete... Or watch the videos on youtube of people launching pumpkins at 300mph through steel plates.... Anybody who thinks there were 'no planes' because 'aluminum can't break steel' would seriously be laughed at by any person who successfully passed 8th grade physics..... Where did i imply that there were no planes involved |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? there is kinda, but it requires mass and hypervelocity in ranges of perhaps 5 to 10 miles per second, not something as slow as an aircraft. Mass and velocity can compensate somewhat for weakness of crystal structure. That's why shaped charges work the way they do. You are never going to cut down a larger thicker steel pole with an aluminum bat under normal velocity ranges. I wonder what happened to the Pentagon then I have no idea, since the engines had the strongest metal of the aircraft in them, the fact that there were no engine impacts evident on the bldg walls the only logical assumption is that they disappeared into the 8th dimension by time/space warp and not seen again, probably like the black boxes that were never found either, though apparently passports survived. What none of you know is that the two engines running at many thousands of RPM around a thick long superstrong metal axis SHOULD HAVE EACH, INDIVIDUALLY DRILLED THROUGH THE BLDGS WALLS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE THIN METAL BALLOON THAT WAS THE AIRFRAME AND WINGS, YET THERE WAS NO MARK. The turbine shafts were spin stabilized, gyroscopically stable and the ONLY things that could have penetrated all those walls, yet, nothing. In effect the spinning rotors were spin stabilized armor piercing rounds exactly like those APFSDS penetraters fired by the Abrams tanks |
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conspiracy archives - ekim User ID: 31977304 United States 05/30/2014 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? The only quantities which matter when determining if those columns would fail would be their thickness and cross sectional area, the carbon content, and the length of the column. Then you could calculate the failure load, of a force put on the center of the column (for simplicity of calculation). The columns would fail, but upon failing would also utilize a lot of the kinetic energy of the plane. Another example would be if you took a steel bar, and an aluminum bar and hit them together very very hard. Both would be affected, but the damage would be proportional to each materials coefficient of elasticity and the overall bulk strength. But just because a material isn't as strong as another, doesn't mean the stronger material will not be affected by kinetic energy or forces put onto it.... Any force put onto any material gives an internal stress, if this stress exceeds the plastic limit of the material, then it will fail.... Steel is good at structures, because it can absorb a lot of energy and flex elastically before it deforms permanently (plastically). |
Dalek Uno (OP) User ID: 58682501 Germany 05/30/2014 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58672390 there is kinda, but it requires mass and hypervelocity in ranges of perhaps 5 to 10 miles per second, not something as slow as an aircraft. Mass and velocity can compensate somewhat for weakness of crystal structure. That's why shaped charges work the way they do. You are never going to cut down a larger thicker steel pole with an aluminum bat under normal velocity ranges. I wonder what happened to the Pentagon then I have no idea, since the engines had the strongest metal of the aircraft in them, the fact that there were no engine impacts evident on the bldg walls the only logical assumption is that they disappeared into the 8th dimension by time/space warp and not seen again, probably like the black boxes that were never found either, though apparently passports survived. What none of you know is that the two engines running at many thousands of RPM around a thick long superstrong metal axis SHOULD HAVE EACH, INDIVIDUALLY DRILLED THROUGH THE BLDGS WALLS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE THIN METAL BALLOON THAT WAS THE AIRFRAME AND WINGS, YET THERE WAS NO MARK. The turbine shafts were spin stabilized, gyroscopically stable and the ONLY things that could have penetrated all those walls, yet, nothing. In effect the spinning rotors were spin stabilized armor piercing rounds exactly like those APFSDS penetraters fired by the Abrams tanks The only thing that would make sense i believe is that the planes were full of explosives |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58672390 United States 05/30/2014 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Simple Truth believes Aluminum can't cut through steel - has this been scientifically proven ? Can some of you people please just read this and try to comprehend it...?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31977304 I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering, specifically materials science and heat transfer. When you have any material of a specific mass, travelling at a specific velocity and then impacting another material, you have to conserve several quantities: Energy Momentum At 500mph, a 160 ton object (a plane) has tremendous amounts of kinetic energy. When the plane impacts the steel building, the force from this impact only affects the local areas of the columns which were impacted. The force put onto these columns is MUCH more than enough to cause them to buckle, and it doesn't depend on what material is impacting... The plane could have been made out of potatoes, or plastic, and the force put onto the structure would still be very large. Of course the plane was shredded upon impact, as it was like cheese hitting a cheese grater at 100mph lol.... But the momentum and kinetic energy would easily cause the handful of columns to fail. You can read reports of tornados, about how a 2x4 was thrown at 200mph and went through a steel door, or concrete... Or watch the videos on youtube of people launching pumpkins at 300mph through steel plates.... Anybody who thinks there were 'no planes' because 'aluminum can't break steel' would seriously be laughed at by any person who successfully passed 8th grade physics..... and yet despite every theoretical advantage, nobody makes aluminum bullets. Why not try to explain moduli, like shear or elasticity, etc? |