If God "used evolution", as many say he did- wouldn't He had explained that, rather than what he DID say in genesis?

Several things

As the following scripture shows, the earth WILL be inhabited, for that is God's purpose

When you speak of "adapting to better live on this earth", has not God already provided the perfect environment in which both human, animals and plant life can live?

The oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle vital for humans and animals and plants

The water cycle

The pollination cycle

Earth's perfect position in the galaxy, it's perfect location from the Sun, it's perfect rotation for seasons, it's axis

To mention only a very very few

All of it with perfect intelligent design for life

As to making "your own purpose in life", any of that can change in an instant of time, why not reach out for Jehovah God's purpose;

"The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it'_ Psalms 37:29








"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else
="- Isaiah 45:18

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Small minded fucks...

Do you think if God would have explained to Moses every scientific law that governs our universe he would have understood it?

Do you think the people he was supposed to instruct would have understood it? atoms? universe? galaxy? physics? All of this was unimportant in the story; more importantly the account given contains nothing proven to be untrue and is worded in a method that would be understood by the minds of it's time.

Even if Moses was granted a spectator seat in a mystical vision from God which showed the forming of the universe; Moses would have used unintelligent (by today's standards) methods to explain it.

But hey man, you guys know it all... Just like all the scientists from the previous generations knew it all. May as well cuddle up to the idea of being wrong about a lot of shit, because it seems to be a trend.

But does that not mean that since god knows the future, he purposely scripted every mutation just so it could end up with humans 3.5 billion years later? when he could have just started how it is today/few thousand years ago? I don't think i would want to follow a god that makes organisms suffer or kill them on purpose just for his pointless game.

That is if he is guiding it. I could get on board if he is not guiding it and just let it run by itself like how it is in reality. Which means he had no aim of producing humans in the future, it just happened because it happened. Which is unlikely since he already knows the future if he is real and is omnipotent.

Last Edited by synapsid on 06/03/2014 02:03 AM

Read the book Genetic Entropy by Dr. John Sanford. Humans are currently devolving, most genetic mutations are detrimental to the species, these detrimental genes are being passed down to the next generation. Humans genetic code are accumulating these detrimental mutations, we have seperated from the natural order, were nature kills off these negative mutations. People are becoming fatter, dumber, unhealthier, ultimatel nature will balance us out, or we will dissapear as a species. Why does a banana share 98% of the same genes as humans? All life on Earth comes from the same Genetic template, which gives evidence to a creator. Darwinian evolution theory has many holes.

What you forget Nachos, is that there would be no defect in anything, had Adam and Eve not plunged humans into imperfection by their sinning

Supposedly

The new earth is the perfected one.

Isa:66:22:
For as the new heavens and the new earth,
which I will make,
shall remain before me,
saith the LORD,
so shall your seed and your name remain.

Well, God is certainly not responsible for it

"For I shall declare the name of Jehovah.
Do YOU attribute greatness to our God!
 4 The Rock, perfect is his activity,
For all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice;
Righteous and upright is he.
 5 They have acted ruinously on their own part;
They are not his children, the defect is their own.
A generation crooked and twisted!"- Deuteronomy 12:3-5

then he isnt omnipotent.

is he not responsible for his creation?

He created law, that rules over all of creation, Angelic beings are under the law in Re:21, we (mankind) are under the 10 Commandments

But mutations create variation... are you saying there should be no mutations? We would all look the same if we came from 2 people if there were zero mutations..mutations are just changes in the dna.. for example, blue eyes are the result of a mutation around 6,000 to 10,000 years ago in a single individual and all blue eyed people today are his/her descendants.

His creation was and will be again perfect
Misuse of free will on humans part does not take away from God's omnipotence,

So where did the first human with the blue eyes come from ?

probably from human parents

just a guess though

conjecture

/

Meaning they were created

He explained to Job that men didn't see what he did. It's a secret.

See, that is what makes evolution so convenient,
God is not accepted as the intelligent designer, so there is no accountability to Him, BUT, if God does exist, then he is to blame for humans misuse of free will, if he is omnipotent, surely, he must use that power to stop all the badness

Evolution is a great scape goat for the real issues at hand, it just brushes it all under the carpet

Enoch and all that traveling through the heavens.
God still has to stick to the 'script' he only takes over at the very end because once He does He never lets go.

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Frequencies hold all matter together, sound, vibrations.

He told us everything, he just words it differently than we think.

If scientists didn't have to drop their belief in God at the door, we probably would have already figured it all out.

So the animals change as we change...

well earth's position of in the galaxy has almost no effect on life earth but that's beside the point.

and humans are well suited to life on earth but there can always be improvement. the environment, while hospitable, is far from perfect

Sorry, I meant solar system and position in relation to the sun, any closer, we would burn up and any further away and we would freeze

And the improvement will be that "God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth"- Revelation 11:18

According to evolution theory to get life the process has to start somewhere. You cannot suddenly have life without a process already in operation or that would contradict the theory that evolution is a process at all. You have to explain how the process began.

Scientist theorize that the big bang was the beginning of the process (although some are moving towards a multi-universe theory but that's a different area)

Admittedly before the big bang there was no time and space. To explain evolution theory, you would have to explain how the big bang actually happened.

Your problem is that you have to define a process outside of time and space, otherwise it is not possible for your theory to work to produce the big bang.

The theory of evolution is dependant on time and space to operate, that is why it is currently self contradicting because you can't explain the big bang under it's current theory model, but you use the big bang to explain that's how it started. You simple cannot have both conditions to explain origin under the same model.

Remember that the principle of evolution has to always be in operation if it's real. Just because there is no life at the beginning, doesn't mean that the 'laws of evolution' do not exist. You have to explain why those laws existed always, laws don't suddenly come into existence when you decide it's appropriate cause life appeared. The origin of things has to be explained by the operating principles wether life currently existed or not.

It should be easy to realize the absurdity of your theory when you consider that you start with nothingness, no time and no space. And your theory is that is evolved into what we have today. Although basic princples already indicate that if you have nothing, you can get nothing from it. This already obliterates your entire theory without going any further. That is just the beginning of evolution theory problems. The theory is falsified in many multiple ways, it is at this point suspersition, a flaw of reasoning and sensibility, to even consider this theory as possible let alone proven, when it is falisifed biologically, and through principles and laws that we already know of, and that there is no scientific demonstration of it that actually exists. All apparant 'evidence' has become common misconceptions, misunderstandings, and myths, which have been explained by others in the field. But the mindset of those wishing for the theory to be true, continues, in spite of the facts, evidence, and what we know to be true in science.

This sentence does not make any sense. It is the goal of evolution theory to describe how the origin of life exists and progresses, so it's the central focul point of the theory. It's irrelevant that life exists under evolution theory because evolution theory must explain how it exists. We already know that it exists and that's not what the theory seeks to clarity. You have your conception of what evolution is, backwards, but it's meant to be the theory that you are supporting so you should atleast be able to explain or define the theory you believe in, but not suprisingly, you can't. Many enthusiasts of evolution can't because it's merely dogma in the first place.

I'm so sick of you religitards. Stop trying to make everyone as STUPID as you are. If we take all the bs as is delivered in your bs holy book we might as well go back to the dark ages. No matter how many times you are PROVEN wrong on here you still come back and make yourselves sound more and more idiotic.

You want to know why people are moving away from religion at record rates? It's because people are seeing through your bs. And good riddance! Fuck you and your bs fear mongering and ignorance spreading.

If you believe this bs, do us all a favor and check yourself in to the mental institution nearest you. You can talk to your imaginary friend there together and leave the rest of us out of it!

Hi CM...

I see your faith is still waning, from lack of trusting in your own heart I suppose...

We, as Humans, on this lonely yet crowded planet are always faced with the decision to rejoice in the lord or be tempted by the minds of reason...

I read most of your threads and reply quite often, to your queries of a mythological entity that has neither love nor respect for the questions you pose...

We, the Human animal, a bipedal species known throughout the world as the hairless ape, and stewards of a world, in itself filled with such wonder and diversity, that no man can claim is less than ordained... However, as a learned intelligent thinking mass of carbon, water, bone and sinew, we hold ourselves to a greater standard than those we share our planet with...


We have cause to "think" beyond the confines of touch, sight, sound, taste and smell...We hold our hearts accountable for that which we cannot explain, we want to believe in that which is just beyond our understanding, and touch that which is just beyond our reach...Our "minds eye" sees the sight of our faith and yet our faith is unexplainable and even less tangible...Were it not for the imagination, life would hold no mysteries nor would it be progressing in a constant and steady manner...

We, as Humans, are constantly bombarded with the "unanswerable" questions of god and the after life as though they were tangible reachable fruits of the tree of life...Were we meant to partake of such a fruit and stare into the face of oblivion, all we may find is ourselves staring back at us...

I see by the questions you pose on this thread that you are looking for conformation in your own faith and perhaps reassurance that there is a life everlasting...

I believe that the answers you seek are the answers to a realm that has grown out of proportion by the Human imagination...

Human

Appreciate your manners

Whether God has "respect or love" for the questions I pose, I guess will remain unknown

But considering all the irrelevant things people choose to talk about in life, I don't believe talking about spiritual things is ever a waste of time

I am not seeking confirmation, for the Bibles hope is an anchor sure for anyone that has given it REAL time to examine

I DO believe however, that, as the Moody Blues sang, people are "Lost in a Lost World"- evolution being one of the greatest deceits ever to draw people from the Great Designer of all life

You speak of imagination, well, you are speaking to the right one, as I have written volumes of poetry, imagination being the spark of motivation

However, there is no mystery in the hope of everlasting life, and although Jehovah will always be beyond understanding completely, because he is eternal, he HAS given us an abundance and exactly what we need to know about him at this time to have faith in his word