NESARA conspiracy cult scams at least $10,000 from 64-year-old woman in San Francisco | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8768 United States 07/02/2006 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | scam or not .dubya bombed our asses :bushhitler: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 111498You are the reason "conspiracy cults" can make money. They find a subject that irks the hell out of a kook and exploit the irk to make money. "Send me money, and we will get rid of "dubya" for you, AND MAKE YOU RICH!" Your emotions are a trap. Don't swallow the bait. |
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falkor User ID: 77934 United States 07/03/2006 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's nothing truly mobile about the thing. It's pre manufactured, yes, but it is transported and installed upon either a basement or a foundation slab, and there it remains in all its vinyl-sided glory for the remainder of its life. It's a house, permitted in most residential zoning areas, and to refer to it otherwise is just an attempt to illicit a 'trailer-trash' response in the mind of the reader. Additionally, the article attempts to imply tax-evasion impropriety on the part of Ms. Dove, THREE times, but admits that it can find no substantiated evidence for this. I have no opinions worth sharing regarding the existence or nonexistence of NESARA, but I just can't tolerate a badly written, poorly implemented piece of slander journalism. At no point does the article focus upon the apparent stupidity of the elderly 'victim.' As they say, "A fool and his money are soon parted." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4283 United States 07/03/2006 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She scoffed at statements in the series linking NESARA to scams, including an investment fraud called Omega that robbed people of $20 million in the mid-1990s. Goodwin's reports say NESARA will unlock the wealth promised by such "prosperity programs." During the interview, she downplayed those claims. "I rarely write about the prosperity programs," she said. "Maybe three or four times a year." It's closer to once a week. Her 2004 reports shows she mentioned the prosperity programs 23 times between Jan. 19 and June 24, including a specific reference to the long-lost Omega millions on May 20. As she pored over the draft, bursts of derision popped like firecrackers. "You just think the world is so free and easy," she said. Reading denials of NESARA by government officials, she shook her head knowingly. "That is what they have to say," she said. With growing irritation, she started talking about "confirmations" from her readers - people who have heard mysterious mentions of NESARA. She would prove it, she said, even if it meant revealing a few secret sources. "You haven't done your due diligence," she said. She picked up her telephone and punched a number in the Netherlands. NESARA supporters in that country, spurred by Dove's reports, hold weekly demonstrations at the International Court of Justice, believing the judges are holding secret hearings on the secret law. Holding the phone like a walkie-talkie, Goodwin spoke. The earpiece volume was high enough to hear. "Hello?" "Hello, Nel?" Goodwin said. "Yes?" "This is Dove." "Yes, Dove." Goodwin explained the situation. A reporter was asking questions, and needed to hear Nel's story of a NESARA confirmation. "Yes, Dove, I will," Nel said. Nel told her story. An ambassador and a judge driving past the demonstrators had given them the thumbs-up sign. Dove took back the phone, and continued reading the draft. "You are so off," she said, looking up. "It's about world peace. That's what we care about. It's not about money." After a few more paragraphs, she raised her head again. "You're just sick," she said. "This world's gonna blow up if we don't get peace." She read a reference to Harvey Barnard, the retired engineer from Louisiana who wrote a proposed bill called NESARA 14 years ago as an academic experiment, only to watch Dove co-opt it. "That is a scam," she said, pointing to Barnard's name. "This idiot works for George W. Bush Sr." She punched in another telephone number. "You need a lesson about what's real in this world," she said. She said she was calling Rama, a friend who would explain a supposed NESARA confirmation from Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif). "Hello?" a slow voice said. "Hello, Rama?" "Yes?" "This is Dove." "Hello, Dove." "I want you to talk to this reporter," she said, explaining that a Tacoma newspaper was interviewing her. He needed to tell his Boxer story - the NESARA confirmation. "What?" Rama wasn't getting it. "A newspaper in Tacoma, Washington!" Goodwin barked at the phone. "They're writing a horrible story in the Tacoma Tribune, and it's full of crap." She handed over the receiver. Rama wouldn't give his real name. Slowly, he said he couldn't reveal his sources. He wanted to explain what he knew about NESARA, but the information went very high. "Thirty-eight levels above the president," he said. He wouldn't say any more. Goodwin took the phone receiver back and said goodbye. "Rama's a scaredy cat," she said. Almost immediately the phone rang. It was Rama, calling back to apologize. Slowly, he said he was sorry he couldn't cooperate with that reporter, but he'd gotten a bad vibration, kind of an Illuminati vibration, and - "He's just a little boy in Tacoma," Goodwin said, cutting in. "He doesn't know anything." Her eyes lifted from the phone, and her gaze narrowed. "I don't think you're Illuminati," she said, staring hard. "I think you're really dumb. And you better get smart." [link to www.rickross.com] |
falkor User ID: 77934 United States 07/03/2006 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As I've said, "I have no opinions worth sharing regarding the existence or nonexistence of NESARA." I neither like nor dislike Ms. Dove. It's just that I can't stand lazy journalism. The article masquerades as investigative journalism but is primarily an opinion piece. I'm not really passionate enough about this particular subject to continue arguing. I just thought it was worth mentioning that there is no such thing as objective writing. In the last three months I have been accused of being Ms. Dove, of being a nuclear power lobbyist, of being a big oil lobbyist, of being Lyndon Larouche (lol), and of being a sock-puppet of another registered member at GLP. These misunderstandings and accusations are understandable. Unlike most children, I was taught how to write, and to write well. Good writing implies expertise. Expertise implies closeness to a particular topic. Closeness implies someone with something to loose or gain. You can see how these misunderstandings arise. Don't feel bad. I've had THREE college professors accuse me of plagiarism in years past. They're been proven wrong, of course. It's just that intelligent, expressive writing is such a rarity these days. |
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falkor User ID: 77934 United States 07/03/2006 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you, LOSE or gain. That particular typo is not one that a spell-checker will find. This is why professional writers utilize an editor. I think asking my editor to proofread my GLP postings might be a little bit neurotic, yes-no? Good find, by the way. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 92220 United States 07/03/2006 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love good writing myself. My opinion on grammar and spelling is that they are like math..either right or wrong. That being said, however, your posts do seem a wee bit..um..stiff and condescending. As easy as it is to lord it over many of the people here, it's still sort of tacky. |
falkor User ID: 77934 United States 07/03/2006 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I do have that flaw. The grumpier I get the more direct my writing becomes. It's just a defense mechanism to minimize the potential for misunderstanding. Also, I don't like the animated icons that adorn many of the messages here. I feel the words themselves should be capable of carrying the intent, without the need for 'window-dressing.' In any case, MY intent is not to be condescending, but rather to be clear. I'll work on 'softening-up' some more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3701 United States 07/07/2006 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Omega scam. Read all about it: [link to www.conspiracyplanet.com] NESARA/ Dove/ Omega Scam Yields Millions by URI DOWBENKO One of the most pernicious and long-running consumer frauds in recent history has been the NESARA scam, evidently an outgrowth of the Omega fraud, which promised exorbitant returns while defrauding thousands of unsuspecting US citizens. Shaini Goodwin, who uses "Dove of Oneness" as a pen name, has claimed that a “secret” law called NESARA (National Economic Security and Reformation Act) will supposedly bring about changes in the US financial system including the forgiving of mortgages, credit card debts, as well as abolishing the IRS. Goodwin’s mythology describes Illuminati factional fighting in which allegedly one group called the "White Knights" is fighting against the dominant group. This is also reminiscent of another mythology promoted by Gas_oven, in which Faction 1 of the Illuminati is supposedly engaged in a global power death struggle with Faction 2. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 114051 Ireland 07/07/2006 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | mythology promoted by Gas_oven That's an example of the kind of auto-ban censorship you often see on this forum. It was a reference to another popular forum on the web that has r u m o r in its name. Why "gas oven" is used has something to do with the perversity of the forum masters here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 123023 United States 07/28/2006 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the real NESARA: [link to www.NESARA.org] the fake NESARA thats scamming people for money: [link to www.NESARA.us] |
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Misty User ID: 128129 United States 08/16/2006 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Dove started out with good intentions but has since gotten a bit greedy and has taken a wrong turn. I figured it out when she asked for $100,000 in order to travel to Europe for some sort of NESARA business in one of her posts. I thought "$100,000 dollars for a trip?" Did she need to buy the jet she was traveling on or something? I don't trust people who want to save the world with your money. The legitimate channels pass on their messeges free of charge and aren't trying to sell you stuff or get donations. Only trying to spread the light. Mathew on Messages from Mathew said that Dove was a legitimate channel at first but when the plans for Nesara had to be adjusted, she was subborn and wouldn't change. She kept on with the old agenda and began channeling entities that were no longer light, ones that want to confuse and dishearten people about NESARA. That Patrick Bellringer is one who I'm really tired of. Him and his stupid bank packets that never seem to get delivered. Like trucks are driving around all day, never reaching their destination. Every single date he's given has been wrong. He's not chanelling lightside entities as well. The legitimate channels report that the lightside aliens are not happy with the false reporting of Dove and Patrick and that to give exact dates for NESARA is wrong. They get people's hopes up and then when the day comes and there is no NESARA, people feel let down, then doubtful. Exactly what the darkside wants to achieve - hopelessness. The light aliens say that they are not so weak and stupid as to bumble around with undelivered packages. When the time is right for changes, we'll know it for sure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 132065 Switzerland 08/16/2006 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Dove started out with good intentions but has since gotten a bit greedy and has taken a wrong turn. Quoting: Misty 128129According to a source I cannot mention without getting banned again, Dove was always a scam artist. She fooled a lot of people at first, which was embarrassing for those who got caught up in the scam and helped her promote it. NESARA has never existed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 117222 Canada 08/17/2006 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nesara have been here for 2 yrs....like nancy liederi wonder how many lunatics got caught in this non-sense..all those new-age lover lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 111026 United States 08/17/2006 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The dove of one NESARA shit has been around a lot longer than 2 years, I heard about it at least 4 years ago. That dove bitch should be locked up and throw away the key. All information I've ever seen that was supposed to be channeled is total BULLSHIT! Nancy Lieder included of course, but at least as far as I've heard she has not scammed anyone out of money. |
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