Latest on the fighting in Ukraine. Kiev takes heavy losses from Donbass militia… | |
SAIC User ID: 4037428 United States 06/09/2014 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In a nutshell... Quoting: SAIC 59015630 The following regions of eastern Ukraine sent their representatives to vote in late May, and it was 145 out of 145 unanimous vote to secede from the Kiev and form Novorossiya. Here is who voted to secede... Lugansk 2,246,884 Donetsk 4,356,392 Kherson 1,083,367 Kharkov 2,733,694 Zaporozhye 1,877,200 Dnepropetrovsk 3,476,200 Mykolaiv 1,170,924 Odessa 2,392,487 Total of 8 Regions - Novorossiya 19,337,148 Ukraine Total 42,227,200 Percentage...Novorossiya 46% Kiev/EU/IMF doesn't want to let them go, because the east is where all the mining and gas reserves are located. They covet the raw materials and tax base that goes with it. So Kiev are shelling the civilian population into submission. It is not going real well. 90-95% of the citizens in two regions (6 million people) already voted to leave Kiev since the coup took place, and the local men (many miners and farmers) are now fighting for their homeland. so then those on the russian side lost the election with 54% voting to stay on independant of russia? Sure, if you choose to look at it that way. I would not look at it that way. I would look at the fact that the citizens of Slavyansk have been cut off from their tap water, due to the shelling for several days. I would look at the citizens fleeing for their lives, because their houses are being shelled at random from the hillsides. I would stipulate these are crimes against humanity, by the corrupt Maidan gangsters. These types of crimes against civilians have been outlawed in several international treaties over many, many years. Because everybody agrees using the military in this fashion against their own civilians is disgusting. I don't give much of a rat's ass if they only have 46 or 48 percent of the provinces voting to secede, as opposed to say 51%. Kiev would ignore it anyway, apparently. The people in eastern Ukraine had legitimate grievances after the coup, they legally protested, and because of this they were beaten, shot, burned alive, then shelled in their homes, now their water has been turned off. To get them to submit to the new Maidan junta gang. Oh go ahead, find another reason to excuse this barbaric behavior |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21257899 United States 06/09/2014 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kiev (Kyiv) is the capital of the legitimate Ukrainian government. The other side is now composed primarily of Chechen and Muscovite mercenaries smuggled in from Putin's Russia. As a review: The insurgency started when the Ukrainian president skipped out of the country and invited a foreign invasion. The parliament (including his own party) then declared him unfit for office and scheduled a new election. A few eastern Ukrainians decided that the temporary confusion was an opportune moment to take up arms against the government and beg for a Russian invasion. Luckily, Putin invaded only Crimea, and has apparently decided to cut the rest of the mercenaries loose. This is all made up. There is nobody that really believes what you say. A "few" eastern Ukrainians trouble makers, huh? What the hell are you talking about? It's everybody that lives there that wants to break away. They had a vote with 95% agreeing with that sentiment. 6 million people in Luhansk and Deonetsk. That doesn't even count people from Odessa region, where the Maidan thugs burned alive those 40 protestors. So Kiev have lost them now too. A "few" trouble makers in the east, indeed! Much of Ukraine sticks way into the southern section of Russia. In terms of longitude.......the city of Donetsk is farther east than even Moscow itself. |
SAIC User ID: 4037428 United States 06/09/2014 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regarding Syria, this appears to me to be the exact opposite. In the case of Syria, the EU first tried a Coup d'état, but couldn't get one to work. Assad had a solid 85% of the whole nation behind him, unlike the situation in Ukraine. So then, in Syrian, as Plan B, foreign fighters and Al Queda linked fighters were transported in, then given arms and heavy equipment in order to shell the civilian population into submission. But in the case of Ukraine, Plan A worked, and the Coup d'état was successful right away. So now, it is a simple matter for stolen government military to shell the civilian population into submission, until they agree with the EU point of view. You see the difference? And the similarity? The only problem is that Kiev is violating all kinds of international laws, and the EU backs them anyway. In Syria, the EU would just blame the Assad government for the shelling, which the mercenaries were actually behind, and claim Assad is a war criminal. In Ukraine, everybody knows clear as day who is shelling who, so there is no easy way to lie about it. It is criminal in-your-face activity this time. So, quite a difference. The only thing the same is the civilians keep getting terrorized and mistreated until the desired result occurs. So that part always seems to be the same, unfortunately. |