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ULTIMATE BACKDOORS - Encryption Compromised Since 2003 or so - Electronic Spying Everywhere With Just About All Devices

 
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I think what people fail to see when not believing they are spied on, is they think it's stupid to spy on EVERYONE. Well it is of course.
It's not like they have time to sit there watching someone ALL day long.
I would think it's stored and only retrieved when needed at a later time. Or you might be watched all the time if needed to right now. Along with all the CCTV footage the APPLE database of all it's icloud users

None of us are really that important but could be whenever they see fit.
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They don't need people to watch.. It's hard to fathom at first, but they process most data real-time.

See Complex Event Processing software.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This software is relatively simple in theory, but can weed through vast amounts of data very quickly. I personally used it to write compliance analysis software for high-frequency trading (finding patterns of trading that could be illegal).
We were able to run analysis on over 100M trades per hour on a single server with 16 cores and a memory-resident database. Imagine what could be done with an entire warehouse of servers at your disposal.
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I have always said encrypting anything just makes it easier for them to spot and sort the wheat from chaff so to speak.

It is like putting on a big trench coat and a fedora and holding a big newspaper in front of you in an obvious attempt to hide at a bus station.
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I have in the past stated that the always on cell connection in Intel processors made it's debut with Sandy Bridge. BUT, Yesterday I sat down to an ancient computer here in Mexico, that said Windows Vista on it, and Equipped with Intel Corevpro Technology, with the Core2 logo on it. I think it was a Compaq. SO, now we know for sure that the Centrino technology, which was rolled into Core2 and every Intel processor since including the Pentiums and Celerons, have that cell connection on the processor die. With an always on cell connection and Corevpro, you can't encrypt anything on your computer because Corevpro snags all encryption keys and holds them in a separate processor that runs parallel with the main processor and that second processor has as a feature an always on cell connection. It's the ultimate back door.

Centrino was designed exclusively in Israel. They put a permanent back door into every processor they develop, there for their exploit. We have not had any data security with Intel processors since 2003 or so.

The problem is a lot older and a lot worse than I thought. So I will apologize for not warning people how bad it really was, but won't cry with that apology because WHO ELSE OUT THERE WILL SAY IT AT ALL?
 Quoting: WATCH IT--THEY ARE LISTENING 50577166




Well lately strange things have been going on..
I'll be having a conversation with someone and
next time I access the internet on my iPhone
I get pop ups on different sites that pertain to my
conversation !! So either it's a super natural and
extremely coincidental experience or the microphone
is being accessed. This JUST started happening
Even in my eBay feed. Normally it would only be stuff
you're interested in. Now conversations materialize on your phone
in the form of advertising.
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I have in the past stated that the always on cell connection in Intel processors made it's debut with Sandy Bridge. BUT, Yesterday I sat down to an ancient computer here in Mexico, that said Windows Vista on it, and Equipped with Intel Corevpro Technology, with the Core2 logo on it. I think it was a Compaq. SO, now we know for sure that the Centrino technology, which was rolled into Core2 and every Intel processor since including the Pentiums and Celerons, have that cell connection on the processor die. With an always on cell connection and Corevpro, you can't encrypt anything on your computer because Corevpro snags all encryption keys and holds them in a separate processor that runs parallel with the main processor and that second processor has as a feature an always on cell connection. It's the ultimate back door.

Centrino was designed exclusively in Israel. They put a permanent back door into every processor they develop, there for their exploit. We have not had any data security with Intel processors since 2003 or so.

The problem is a lot older and a lot worse than I thought. So I will apologize for not warning people how bad it really was, but won't cry with that apology because WHO ELSE OUT THERE WILL SAY IT AT ALL?
 Quoting: WATCH IT--THEY ARE LISTENING 50577166




Well lately strange things have been going on..
I'll be having a conversation with someone and
next time I access the internet on my iPhone
I get pop ups on different sites that pertain to my
conversation !! So either it's a super natural and
extremely coincidental experience or the microphone
is being accessed. This JUST started happening
Even in my eBay feed. Normally it would only be stuff
you're interested in. Now conversations materialize on your phone
in the form of advertising.
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Unfortunately, you may have agreed to Apple's Terms and Conditions for iOS. Did you read them?

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4. Consent to Use of Data. (i)
Interest-Based Advertising from iAd
. Apple may provide mobile, interest-based advertising to you. If
you do not want to receive relevant ads on your iOS Device, you can opt out by going to the Limit Ad
Tracking setting on your iOS Device. If you opt out, you will continue to receive the same number of
mobile ads, but they may be less relevant because they will not be based on your interests. You may still
see ads related to the content on a web page or in an application or based on other non-personal
information.
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Re the smart meter


Is it true that in time they will be able to seize control and turn off the furnace in the winter, AC in the summer ?

Darn good way to kill a bunch of people during a deep freeze or heat wave. Say they malfunctioned.
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Great thinking! Taking the grid down is problematic, with Nuclear plants, refineries, chemical storage and such. But, with smart meters and grid, it would look like a massive blackout, yet critical areas would be intact. Starvation, freezing to death, dying of thirst, all while power still flows to critical infrastructure. And, with all the mothballed coal plants, you don't need much coal, just fat people, ala creamatorium.
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I have in the past stated that the always on cell connection in Intel processors made it's debut with Sandy Bridge. BUT, Yesterday I sat down to an ancient computer here in Mexico, that said Windows Vista on it, and Equipped with Intel Corevpro Technology, with the Core2 logo on it. I think it was a Compaq. SO, now we know for sure that the Centrino technology, which was rolled into Core2 and every Intel processor since including the Pentiums and Celerons, have that cell connection on the processor die. With an always on cell connection and Corevpro, you can't encrypt anything on your computer because Corevpro snags all encryption keys and holds them in a separate processor that runs parallel with the main processor and that second processor has as a feature an always on cell connection. It's the ultimate back door.

Centrino was designed exclusively in Israel. They put a permanent back door into every processor they develop, there for their exploit. We have not had any data security with Intel processors since 2003 or so.

The problem is a lot older and a lot worse than I thought. So I will apologize for not warning people how bad it really was, but won't cry with that apology because WHO ELSE OUT THERE WILL SAY IT AT ALL?
 Quoting: WATCH IT--THEY ARE LISTENING 50577166


This has been theorized but a lot of people have combed through these chips to see if it was true, it wasn't. It's been confirmed with a lot of opensource programmers. Hell, it's even confirmed with the equipment they have to use to try to break your encryption before you shut down your machine. Power equipment to keep your machine from shutting down that they carry around at all times. If it was so easy to break the encryption, they wouldn't have any need for this equipment.

Although, the whole NSA scandal has proven they have access to manufacturers to put in backdoors on selected targets. However, it's not economically feasible to do it against everyone, at least not yet. You really don't need a chip within a chip to do it, you just need a device that has access to the RAM. Now to have it record everything in RAM without affecting performance, that's another matter.
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All this and more is true. I don't doubt it for a second.
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the cell in processors are there to kill the machine remotely.
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All this and more is true. I don't doubt it for a second.
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You are wise
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Re the smart meter


Is it true that in time they will be able to seize control and turn off the furnace in the winter, AC in the summer ?

Darn good way to kill a bunch of people during a deep freeze or heat wave. Say they malfunctioned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22679556
Great thinking! Taking the grid down is problematic, with Nuclear plants, refineries, chemical storage and such. But, with smart meters and grid, it would look like a massive blackout, yet critical areas would be intact. Starvation, freezing to death, dying of thirst, all while power still flows to critical infrastructure. And, with all the mothballed coal plants, you don't need much coal, just fat people, ala creamatorium.
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I heard of them being able to shut down/off heating or cooling with these smart meters...yet I do believe you hit the nail on the head as to why they would want to! :( Oh, and you mentioned dying of thirst...look at how they control water now! They control it, think they
"own" it even!!!
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New Intel based PC's PERMANENTLY hackable
So you think no one can access your data because your computer is turned off. Heck it's more than turned off, you even took the main hard drive out, and only the backup disk is inside. There is no operating system installed at all. So you KNOW you are safe.

Frank from across the street is an alternative operating systems hobbyist, and he has tons of computers. He has Free BSD on a couple, his own compilation of Linux on another, a Mac for the wife, and even has Solaris on yet another. Frank knows systems security, so he cannot be hacked . . . . . . . or so he thinks.

The government does not like Frank much, because they LOVE to look at everything. Privacy is a crime don't you know, and it looks like Frank's luck with privacy is about to run out because his latest and greatest machine was a Corevpro equipped I7.

The new Intel Core vPro processors contain a new remote access feature which allows 100 percent remote acess to a PC 100 percent of the time, even if the computer is TURNED OFF. Core vPro processors contain a second physical processor embedded within the main processor which has it's own operating system embedded on the chip itself. As long as the power supply is available and and in working condition, it can be woken up by the Core vPro processor, which runs on the system's phantom power and is able to quietly turn individual hardware components on and access anything on them.

This is being touted as something that makes IT administration easy. It is being advertised as something that will allow IT professionals the ability to remotely troubleshoot a PC no matter what is wrong with it. It allows IT professionals to view the contents of hard drives, check the memory, or hunt for problems on a machine without actually being in front of it. And to that, I call B.S, outside of snooping it's only real world applications would involve accessing a recovery partiton and restoring the computer to out of box state, installing software outside the knowledge of the main operating system, and secretly placing or deleting files.

But the intelligence agencies LOVE THIS. Because Frank is going on vacation soon and they know it. They have listened to all of his calls. They KNOW frank is a terrorist, because they have never been able to access anything Frank has done with a PC, and who would hide their use, other than a criminal? Frank keeps his computers up to date, and THREE of them now have Core vPro processors in them, and when Frank is gone, they are going to get their chance to access ALL of his files because the main backup hard disk went into the newest machine.


Real world use for Core vPro processors will involve the following:
Accessing any PC ANYWHERE, no matter what operating system is installed, even if it is physically disconnected from the internet. You see, Core vPro processors work in conjunction with Intel's new Anti Theft 3.0, which put 3g connectivity into every Intel CPU after the Sandy Bridge version of the I3/5/7 processors. Users do not get to know about that 3g connection, but it IS there. Frank was not stupid so he unplugged his router. Unfortunately for Frank, that won't work, because anti theft 3.0 always has that 3g connection on also, even if the computer is turned off. Sorry frank, you were good with operating systems, but did not know EVERYTHING about hardware. And now the real reason for your finicky security habits will be known to the NSA - you found a way to route photons to any place in the world without any sort of cable. You revolutionized communications. You were going public when you returned from your vacation, but thanks to your new Core vPro processors, a major communications firm is going to go public with your invention BEFORE you get home, and your research will be deleted and replaced with "criminal activity" so you will be arrested when you get back and unable to speak about the theft of your invention. Fascism is GREAT.

If a system has the ram chips pulled, a Core vPro processor will read the hard disk anyway because it has all the ram it needs embedded in the vPro core.

If you encrypted your hard drive, a Core vPro processor will read it anyway, because it snagged your encryption key

If your system has been taken apart, and has no video card, ram, floppy, or hard drive, your Core vPro processor nailed you, because you left a flash drive plugged in. Or a CD in the CD drive. And what about that web cam?

The bottom line? The Core vPro processor is the end of any pretend privacy. If you think encryption, Norton, or anything else is going to ensure your privacy, including never hooking up to the web AT ALL, think again. There is now more than just a ghost in the machine.

The Globalist Banker scamming war mongering cabal has a history of using the marketing of security as a means to remove ALL security and nail you. If you believe Intel's cheerful hype about these processors making things more secure than ever, think again, because any processor which allows a machine to be accessed even when it's turned off equates to an information tyrant's dream come true Please engage your brain while watching this, the security pitch is unadulterated B.S. These processors in fact represent an ABSOLUTE BREACH of security no matter HOW they are marketed. From the techinical viewpoint of someone who worked for an intelligence agency, I call B.S. on Intel, avoid these processors like the plague!
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And yet all 'Frank' has to do is pull the plug on the computer. Lights out. Good night.

lmao
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bumpbumpbump

Are there any brave souls left to pin this!
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No, because it is 99% bullshit.
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bumpbumpbump

Are there any brave souls left to pin this!
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No, because it is 99% bullshit.
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I think they were talking about the thread , not what's crammed in your ears hf
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With that said, can anyone post the clip/interveiw of the intel spy code writer who came out BEFORE Snowden???!
An Older Dude....he spoke out when he discovered his own spyware inside the US. Quit his job.
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Might as well give Israel their land.

It will be Jubilee, and they will have to release all of their holdings outside of Israel.

Until then, I imagine they will take and hold anything and everything they can get.
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All this high tech to activate my mics and cameras and I will foil their plot with some gaffer tape.
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Exactly. I have tape over the camera eye on my cell phone and my MacBookPro...
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I don't tape my cam or mic in pc or cellphone. Any hackers willing to show they can spy on me? I'll send you $5000 if you can prove it.
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With that said, can anyone post the clip/interveiw of the intel spy code writer who came out BEFORE Snowden???!
An Older Dude....he spoke out when he discovered his own spyware inside the US. Quit his job.
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Mcaffree ? Is he still alive? What happened to him ?
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I have in the past stated that the always on cell connection in Intel processors made it's debut with Sandy Bridge. BUT, Yesterday I sat down to an ancient computer here in Mexico, that said Windows Vista on it, and Equipped with Intel Corevpro Technology, with the Core2 logo on it. I think it was a Compaq. SO, now we know for sure that the Centrino technology, which was rolled into Core2 and every Intel processor since including the Pentiums and Celerons, have that cell connection on the processor die. With an always on cell connection and Corevpro, you can't encrypt anything on your computer because Corevpro snags all encryption keys and holds them in a separate processor that runs parallel with the main processor and that second processor has as a feature an always on cell connection. It's the ultimate back door.

Centrino was designed exclusively in Israel. They put a permanent back door into every processor they develop, there for their exploit. We have not had any data security with Intel processors since 2003 or so.

The problem is a lot older and a lot worse than I thought. So I will apologize for not warning people how bad it really was, but won't cry with that apology because WHO ELSE OUT THERE WILL SAY IT AT ALL?
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Hhhhmmmmm??????????
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anyone remember right after nine eleven that norton symantec was visitied by "an alpahbet agency" and were told to not speak up about something?

ill look for a link, already did with no avail.... took me many long searches to find other scrubbed issues in the past and ive had a long day so will struggle to read just the four pages of this post tonight. cheers all
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Might as well give Israel their land.

It will be Jubilee, and they will have to release all of their holdings outside of Israel.

Until then, I imagine they will take and hold anything and everything they can get.
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The joos should have already conquer the world by now with this kind of progression they've made. Look. if I am the Joo who can read mind, do a haarp mind kontrol, spy on every intel amd pc macs, I would have already identified all the nazi joo haters and would have sent incinerating frequency to fry their brain into porridge. Now with all the mofo resistants out of the way, I would have already genocided half of the world population to make the world quieter. The rest of the population would have been haarp mind kontrolled into docile zombies. My world domination would be completed by now and I would have already expand my thirst of conquest to orion and pleiades.
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Have you ever thought of a swinging door, it goes two ways. If they are doing this, and it is wifi, 3g cell are still out there that uses 3g so in some usb phone card holders, electricity, it seems could be used for home use just got to think so on that. Kind of like back engineering the back engineering door!

You smart guy can come up with something, antennas electric, I think there used to be interference generators, hello I need to use that 3g phone, save some money. Use old American remade products they still work.

Just to think the Cray computer with a back door is one that Steve Jobs studied before the apple computer was made.
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I like the op in this thread.

it still amazes me that after 4 pages noone mentioned the ns a handiwork previous to 2003 and the more people I bring this up to the more astonished I am that people do not know...

In the 90 ' s encryption finally went warp speed beyond code breakers with 128 bit encryption. The guy who coded Pretty Good Encryption tried to give it to the world so that files could be securely encrypted.

The NsA and the C ia were not happy about this and took the guy to court because his encryption software was a threat to national security. He tried to fight for freedom in court but the battle drug on and he lost everything until he finally relented and handed over his master key.

The precedent was already set with this case.. which is difficult to research on the net i have discovered. I read about it in a Law Library doing a research paper in 1999.

Since then i was convinced that the N sa and Ci a have the keys to all encryption. They would go to any lengths to get them in the name of national security. This is the state of the world.

Hence it makes sense for cpus to come embedded with crypto hacking ability so that it cuts out the middle man.

i think that the op is not only technologically possible but culturally plausible and i learned some new stuff.

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I think what people fail to see when not believing they are spied on, is they think it's stupid to spy on EVERYONE. Well it is of course.
It's not like they have time to sit there watching someone ALL day long.
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they don't need people to sit there to trawl all the data, there is software available to do that. like this:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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I like the op in this thread.

it still amazes me that after 4 pages noone mentioned the ns a handiwork previous to 2003 and the more people I bring this up to the more astonished I am that people do not know...

In the 90 ' s encryption finally went warp speed beyond code breakers with 128 bit encryption. The guy who coded Pretty Good Encryption tried to give it to the world so that files could be securely encrypted.

The NsA and the C ia were not happy about this and took the guy to court because his encryption software was a threat to national security. He tried to fight for freedom in court but the battle drug on and he lost everything until he finally relented and handed over his master key.

The precedent was already set with this case.. which is difficult to research on the net i have discovered. I read about it in a Law Library doing a research paper in 1999.

Since then i was convinced that the N sa and Ci a have the keys to all encryption. They would go to any lengths to get them in the name of national security. This is the state of the world.

Hence it makes sense for cpus to come embedded with crypto hacking ability so that it cuts out the middle man.

i think that the op is not only technologically possible but culturally plausible and i learned some new stuff.

hf
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Right on bumpbump
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I think what people fail to see when not believing they are spied on, is they think it's stupid to spy on EVERYONE. Well it is of course.
It's not like they have time to sit there watching someone ALL day long.
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they don't need people to sit there to trawl all the data, there is software available to do that. like this:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Nobody understands what's really at stake here , the biggest " plan" the world ever saw !

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I think what people fail to see when not believing they are spied on, is they think it's stupid to spy on EVERYONE. Well it is of course.
It's not like they have time to sit there watching someone ALL day long.
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they don't need people to sit there to trawl all the data, there is software available to do that. like this:

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1759636

Yeah, that XCore-or-something stuff.

It's all collected and stored, even coded, to be decoded and analyzed later whenever it is needed.





GLP