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Let’s talk “certificates of live birth” and the truth about them.

 
Chrit

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Let’s talk “certificates of live birth” and the truth about them.
This is my wife’s; I covered up all relevant info about her. I left her first initial, last two letters of her middle name and last three letters of her TWO different last names on her "certificate of live" birth.

We’ll start with a bit of her story, her mother was a prostitute, and her father was a drug addict. He got life in jail before she was even born. Her mother gave her up at age 6.

The social worker assigned to my wife was a very special lady, when she retired she showed up at our door and handed my wife a box of info she was not allowed to give her. In that box was the original birth certificate.

When we go down town and get a copy of the “original certificate of live birth” it’s not the original, they changed it.


My wife was legally adopted then given back to the state because her adopted parents were nuts and I then meet her in the orphanage.

The names that now appear on her “official original certificate of live birth” are her adopted parent’s name! Now listed as her birth parents Legally

The only existing copy with her real parents’ names is in my hands because of her social worker. The social worker had the power to change her original, but luckily kept and returned the real document to us.



So a social worker who was new at her job at the time had the power to change who appeared as the birth parents on a "original certificate of live birth" for a child in state custody.

So next time you hear people arguing about Big-O's birth certificate and is it real or not, remember what I just showed you...

The real original

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the now "legal" original that is on file

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Chrit (OP)

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No matter what is released or how you will never ever know or even have a way of finding out if you are looking at an original or altered copy. Even if it is the legal copy that is officially on file that you pulled yourself.
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pinned. I have a birth certificate something like that from Summit County.
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The point is it is hard to know what is legit - but you can sometimes see the blatantly fake.
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The point is it is hard to know what is legit - but you can sometimes see the blatantly fake.
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Thanks for the pin, people need to understand how the game works and where the truth lies is always a shade of grey.
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Wow!



Thanks for sharing Chrit :)
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Do note; the M.D. who signed the original signature does not match the altered copy’s signature.

The inside city limits box was not filled out on the altered copy.

The date signed was typed in on the altered copy where as it was hand written on the original.

The date received was a stamp in the original but hand written in the altered copy.



Welcome to the world of altered government documents that no one talks about...

Last Edited by Chrit on 06/14/2014 09:13 PM
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The point is it is hard to know what is legit - but you can sometimes see the blatantly fake.
 Quoting: beeches


Thanks for the pin, people need to understand how the game works and where the truth lies is always a shade of grey.
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Those are excellent photos.
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I was adopted as well and I can attest to the fact that my birth certificate has my adoptive parents listed. Including their ages when I was born. Although they didn't even know me at the time.


I was adopted shortly before my 6 th birthday so I know who my real parents are and am still in contact with my biological Siblings.

Also, I was born in another state but my birth certificate is from the state they lived in not the one I was born in.

Excellent post!
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Wow!



Thanks for sharing Chrit :)
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messed up is it not? this is something they never ever talk about, it has to be more common then we even realize. This is why I decided to post it, people need to see through the system.

You know, I don’t know why they even altered it, why would you take a child who remember her real mother and being given up to the state then erase the names of her birth parents from her birth certificate.

Now her maiden name is the name of the asshats who adopted her have gave her back to the state 5 years later on the same exact date they adopted her.

Maybe someone who has adopted could shed a little more lite on it, she was 8 or 9 at the time they changed this info in her record.
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I was adopted as well and I can attest to the fact that my birth certificate has my adoptive parents listed. Including their ages when I was born. Although they didn't even know me at the time.


I was adopted shortly before my 6 th birthday so I know who my real parents are and am still in contact with my biological Siblings.

Also, I was born in another state but my birth certificate is from the state they lived in not the one I was born in.

Excellent post!
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That was what I was wondering, thank you for sharing.
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Makes me think about authenticity of birth records...


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Always wondered why my adoptive parents were on my birth certificate. I was 6 months old when I was adopted. How do I get my hands on the original?
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Makes me think about authenticity of birth records...


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bhocert

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The modern day “State” of Israel is not the Israel of the Bible! It’s a trick and a trap!
Great Britain and the United States were given the promise of the Birthright to be the greatest nations of all nations. - 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you - Genesis 17:4-6
20 And unto Joseph in the land of Egypt were born Manasseh and Ephraim, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him. - Genesis 46:20
1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel--he was indeed the firstborn, but because he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph, the son of Israel, so that the genealogy is not listed according to the birthright; 2 yet Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came a ruler, although the birthright was Joseph's - 1 Chronicles 5:1-2
Ephraim = Great Britain... Manasseh = United States of America. – Promise fulfilled. It was no accident.

Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. - Mark 13:29
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Always wondered why my adoptive parents were on my birth certificate. I was 6 months old when I was adopted. How do I get my hands on the original?
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Most likely destroyed, I only have this because the case worker cared enough to give it to us after she retired.

She was not allowed to give it to us, she would have lost her job. She even had my wife's old toys still saved over 20 years later, she was a good lady.
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Goes hand in hand with the old adage “belief and seeing are both often wrong”
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Your wife is only 9 days older than me...
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5* Chrit.

I gave up my son in 1971. I'm trying to think, I know I saw the birth certificate because I named him after my Dad, it had the birth-fathers name on it and mine. Maybe I have that in my box of papers from when I relinquished. I'd have to dig to be sure. If I don't have it, I at least SAW it once. How they might have altered that later on, I'm not sure.

Bless that Social Workers heart!!!

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Being adopted, I have two official birth certificates as well.

Maybe it's time to reignite the birthed discussion. Now that everyone knows that the Pres and his administration are all pathological liars, the birther argument may not sound so crazy anymore (even though it never was).

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A VERY wise way to cover up that info on the cert.

Take note people.

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the nurse who assisted in the delivery named me--she named me after herself--i never was able to find my twin tho
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Your wife is only 9 days older than me...
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I acutely hid her birth date, she was born in the beginning of the month, the date you see is the date it was signed and accepted by the state.


I just realized the “original’ is Certified July 1985, that must have been the one the social worker pulled for the adoption and for the court to change the legal record.

Last Edited by Chrit on 06/14/2014 09:34 PM
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Being adopted, I have two official birth certificates as well.

Maybe it's time to reignite the birthed discussion. Now that everyone knows that the Pres and his administration are all pathological liars, the birther argument may not sound so crazy anymore (even though it never was).
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Just a bit of hard proof I wanted to share showing how “official” and “real” are a far cry apart when it comes to legal government documents on file.

I appreciate the info people posted, apparently this is very common, I never really looked in to what standard procedure is for adoption and birth record alterations are.
Makes you wonder when else they can alter the legal record.
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Hey CVhrit. Do I know you from several years back as another name? If so, glad to see you're still around. I knew you (I think) pretty well back then, but things got a bit tough (like they are now ;)... but anyway, yeah it's no longer in our hands who rules u know what I mean?
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This is the truth about birth certificates you should be learning. [link to humansarefree.com]
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Hey Chrit. Do I know you from several years back as another name? If so, glad to see you're still around. I knew you (I think) pretty well back then, but things got a bit tough (like they are now ;)... but anyway, yeah it's no longer in our hands who rules u know what I mean?
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No, I was around back when GLP first started but I don’t even remember the name I used, then I was off for years. Someone special dragged me back here after the Japan EQ.

Maybe Crichton or Oldschool, I looked once but never found any of my old posts.
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I can tell you with adoptions the original Birth Certificate is destroyed by the State when the new one is made. The new one is back dated and the new parent names are on the certificate. The adoptive mothers name will now appear as the birth mother at the live birth. Other information such as Doctor, time of birth will remain the same. The original certificate is truly destroyed. The only record of the original would be the copies in the adoption case file or if Parents held on to the original. At least this is the case in my State.
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Do note; the M.D. who signed the original signature does not match the altered copy’s signature.

The inside city limits box was not filled out on the altered copy.

The date signed was typed in on the altered copy where as it was hand written on the original.

The date received was a stamp in the original but hand written in the altered copy.



Welcome to the world of altered government documents that no one talks about...
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Obama's friend Bill Ayers talks about that world in Fugitive Days:


We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart, and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates. I spent impious days over the next several months tramping through rural cemeteries in Iowa and Wisconsin, Illinois and North Dakota,searching for those sad little markers of people born between 1940 and 1950 who had died between 1945 and 1955. The numbers were surprising: two in one graveyard, a cluster of fourteen in another. Those poor souls had typically been issued birth certificates—available to us at any county courthouse for a couple of bucks and a simple form with information I could copy from the death announcement at the archive of the local paper—but they had never applied for a Social Security card. Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry, and within a year we had over a hundred.

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