If Masonry is so good why is it so secretive?

That's the 69 dollar question isn't it?

If Masonry was SO great they would be open about it and evryone would except it themselves. God knows that we are all looking for something better right now.

The only thing I know is this:

When wiccan occultists end a ceremony they say, O mote it be!

When freemasons end theirs, they say, O mote it be!

I also know that there is truth behind the thinking that power corrupts.

And Masons have a strange way of becoming powerful, rich men...

He should ask: Who is your god ?

MONEY!

If you could understand a paradox when you see one, your questions would be answered.

I agree with all of you except bart. Anyways its hillarious because he thought I knew nothing about masons, but I have done some research.

For instance he told me in the bible its shows Hiram Abif was assasinated.

I asked him where?

He showed me a scripture talking about the killing of "men". These men where killed because they raped a woman and her brothers returned to avenge her.

He says my bible is translating it wrong and he could show me in his king james. I told him to go get it.

He reply's with the weak excuse that he doesnt want to get it because he has undelined scriptures. Sure...

Freemasony in the USA is not secret. Freemasons meet in public; a square and compass is on the exterior of every 'Lodge'.

Masonic meetings and charity events are mentioned proudly in local newspapers. Contact information for your local Lodge can be found in the Yellow Pages under "Fraternal Organizations".

You can learn virtually everthing about it's ceremonies, symbolism, history and philosophy in many the books available.

The only thing "secret" are the words and signs of each degree.

Alas, freemasons cannot solict membership, so it might seem to the uninitiated that freemasonry is secret, stand-offish, or elitist. None of this is true.

Prospective candidates must apply for membership of their own free will and accord. 2 B 1 Ask 1

My research has shown that lower masons are lied to as to the true nature of their association. The truth is therefore a secret to many of its own members.

The mason I have met are intent on keeping what they know 'secret'. Therefore by their own admission they are secretive as I have stated above.

Just because you can buy books on them or ask to join doesnt mean they are not secretive. Please dont try to mislead based on the fact that they have a public face.

The legend of Hiram Abiff is an allegory - loosly based on the historical architect of the temple.

Masonic ritual is based on Old Testament stories used to teach us how mankind can live a moral, productive life aligned with the wishes of our creator.

If Masonry is so bad why is it so secretive?

If you have already made up your mind about freemasonry than why do you require "Moreinfoplease".

Its secretive cus the vatican tryd 2 holocaust them over the centuries cus they r trying 2 protects 'god's word'
With 'god's word' i mean what the vatican thinks is god's word.

Asymmetric non-reciprocal networking is bad. That's the most important message in the bible. Freemasonry is based upon this bad style of networking, but when people get caught up in a system they feel the need to defend and justify their choice.

The Master Mason or 3rd Degree is the "highest" degree of Freemasonry.

Any Master Mason in good standing and with the desire is encouraged to be active as an officer in the lodge, eventually becoming Worshipful Master. From there, any mason can ascend to whatever leadership postition they desire.



Yes, the ritual require a mason to keep secret the words and signs of each degree by pentaly of death.

If you want to learn the what freemasonry is about, apply for membership.

The Holy Bible is in code. It IS correct esoterically/symbolically but most folk "don't have eyes to see"...especially Christian Zealots who only see the exoteric - the outer meaning. You don't throw pearls before swine.

If you take two different cultures, one based on symmetry and the other on asymmetry, and combine them into a single community what you'll find is that the subgroup based on symmetry will end up dominating the other group. History shows this pattern again and again and again ad nauseum but people never learn.

All things made by God that are natural are created with symmetry.

All things that are made by man that are bad have asymmetry.

That is very true!

Yes, to protect themselves (at that time in history) from the vatican or other other religious and political totalitarian groups. What is interesting historically is that when the "state" becomes fascist, the first thing to be removed from society are the freemasons.


Also, freemasony is derived from specualtive stone-masonry. Stone masons keep secrets of their craft (ie. their building methods, mathematical abilites, etc.) to remain employed - just like trade unions do today.

If you want to become a carpenter today (Entered Apprentice), for example, you need a journeyman to teach you the skills of a carpenter (Fellow Craft) and eventually you can become a general contractor with your own business (Master Mason).

And if you work on a union job, you have to go to union school, (degees of freemasony) and pay union dues, (lodge dues) and what you receive for your labor? Besides staying gainfully employed, as a union member you are elligle for retirement and health benefits (knowldege of God's plan).

Simple, huh?

Not necessarily bad, but in masonic allegory, the rough and perfect ashlar.

105835 and other masons in this thread.

105835 what you said sounds reasonable enough except for the fact that you have accepted the possibility of DEATH by BEHEADING if you tell others the secrets of GOD?

Wow your god is very loving. So you swear an oath to be killed if you tell people about the inner workings of you rituals which God has given you to do?

The mason I spoke of the assination of Hiram Abif as it was factual not an allegory. He was very self assured he knew all, but he didn't know this was an allegory.

Has he been lied to? Will he learn the truth when he gets higher up into the order?

Is that you, SoT?

Sorry dont know who SoT is

Lucky you.

no one would have met in secret if someone else wasn't killing people for telling the truth
who built the roads?

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Freemasons are but the personal armies of the NWO and TPTB. They are just soldiers. You dont tell the grand plan to the soldiers, you just give them enough information so they can fulfill their orders.

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Meanwile, all the power and prestige they share becouse of the Order, along with a million other reasons, makes them fell and believe that they are better and have more understanding about 'god', humanity and the universe tham us, mere mortals.

They really believe they are doing the work of god. But only after many degrees they will find out what god is it that they are serving.

I have reasons to believe some kind of non-human entity actually contacts those 33° and above in a very secret ceremonial ritual, and presents itselfe as god and as the creator. This 'buys' almost ethernal loyalty and secrecy from those Grand-Grand-Grand-Masters

Its a shame, lots of great people get cautgh on this spider-web that is freemansory. The spider web is actually on of their symbols.

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That is a distortion of the truth.

The obligation of a candidate doesn't say a freemason or God will harm a another mason who imparts the words or signs of freemasonry to a non-freemason.

The ritual says IF i impart the words or signs then let _____ happen to me.

In another context, It's like your hangin' out your friends and you say "if I get out of line, somebody slap me. I know better than that".

Sounds very open to me!

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