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First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

 
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There are two key pieces of legislation that need to be repealed in order to begin righting the ship and without them being repealed there is no hope in ever changing course.

The first is the 17th Amendment. We have not had a Congress in this nation since 1913, well, at least not in the way the framer's intended with two sides being represented; the people in the House of Representatives and the States in the Senate. With the adoption of the 17th Amendment, both chambers now represent only one side, the people. The States had their voices silenced and their claws removed, leading us down this dark path of ultimate federal control. The selection of Senators needs to be returned to the legislatures of the many States to restore the balance of power in Congress.

The second is the Apportionment Act of 1911. This set the number of Representatives in the House at the current number of 435. The Constitution says that the representation "shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand" (emphasis mine) residents but with the passage of the Apportionment Act of 1911, representation is now closer to one per 713,000. That number needs to be closer to the one per 30,000 number stated in the Constitution than to the number it is now. 1 per 30,000 would have a House numbering in the 10,000 member range, quite a large number but with email and video teleconferencing it should not be unmanageable/infeasible.

Repeal of these two articles would set the congress back to what it was meant to be and increase local accountability of our Representatives and Senators. Once accountability is restored in Congress, then and only then will the other two branches have no choice but to abide by the restraints on their power as set forth in the Constitution.

After that it'll be time to roll up our sleeves and get to work dismantling this house of cards that the progressives have been building since Teddy Roosevelt was in office; starting with the Fed and the 16th Amendment and working out from there.

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I posted that on another thread but wanted to reach a broader audience as many people are unaware of how Progressives "fundamentally transformed" Congress in 1911-1913 with the passage of the Apportionment Act of 1911 and the 17th Amendment. We have not been living under the governmental structure that the framers intended for over 100 years. This is making it easy for today's Progs to push the anti-Constitution agenda with a "You see, the government set up by the 'founding fathers' in the Constitution is flawed and out-dated and needs to be replaced," message on the unaware and sway the public opinion in favor of accepting "reforms" to the Constitution which may not necessarily have to meet the amendment criteria set forth in Article 5 but are needed all the same.

Yes, congress needs to be reformed and this is where that "reform" needs to start, with a return to the Congress that was intended, not the one established but those "early 20th Century Progressives" that Hillary Clinton is such a fan of.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

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Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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wow, that was fast. TY.

cheers
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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Absolute correctness

bump!!!
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And add an additional amendment that puts in place Term Limits for all elected officials.
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The 13th - 16th were not legally ratified. Not sure about 17th.

Original 13th was thrown out ( illegally)

I do not think anything after the Original 13 are legal.
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Wishful thinking. FEMA camps, NDAA disappearances, microwave weapons, and endless surveillance is our future. With an ms-13 DHS security force cherry on top of the turd sundae which is our American future. Buy weapons and ammo while you can.......
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The real answer is to revolt on paying taxes. That soft approach has proven itself dead long ago.

If we are really going to kill the sick agenda we need to take drastic measures starting with the refusal to pay income tax. Then move on to debt refutation. That will shut them down TOMORROW. Then we can remove all the crooks from office and replace them with truck drivers, construction workers, doctors, and philosophers.
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The real answer is to revolt on paying taxes. That soft approach has proven itself dead long ago.

If we are really going to kill the sick agenda we need to take drastic measures starting with the refusal to pay income tax. Then move on to debt refutation. That will shut them down TOMORROW. Then we can remove all the crooks from office and replace them with truck drivers, construction workers, doctors, and philosophers.
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This would be the most effective. If everyone became educated about how they entrapped us into paying "income taxes" you need to watch the following video:



Once you have removed yourself from the system then you can start suing for fraud anyone that files a 1099 against you. This is a felony.

Watch and learn and then pass this on. EDUCATION IS THE KEY. We have all been dumbed down.
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The real answer is to revolt on paying taxes. That soft approach has proven itself dead long ago.

If we are really going to kill the sick agenda we need to take drastic measures starting with the refusal to pay income tax. Then move on to debt refutation. That will shut them down TOMORROW. Then we can remove all the crooks from office and replace them with truck drivers, construction workers, doctors, and philosophers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59497601


This would be the most effective. If everyone became educated about how they entrapped us into paying "income taxes" you need to watch the following video:



Once you have removed yourself from the system then you can start suing for fraud anyone that files a 1099 against you. This is a felony.

Watch and learn and then pass this on. EDUCATION IS THE KEY. We have all been dumbed down.
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First steps yes, but we also must allow the Federal Reserve Charter to lapse and reinstitute Glass-Steagall. Next would be the dismantling of the Dept of Education, the DEA and most drug laws that criminalize what is really a health issue, not a criminal one.
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How is giving thousands more political assholes a paycheck going to help anything ?
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nuke Canada would be my first choice, then Brittan. then Australia

3 nukes would level those shit holes asap and stop a lot of the hidden oppression placed on us by these neutered countries
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Re: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.
There are two key pieces of legislation that need to be repealed in order to begin righting the ship and without them being repealed there is no hope in ever changing course.

The first is the 17th Amendment. We have not had a Congress in this nation since 1913, well, at least not in the way the framer's intended with two sides being represented; the people in the House of Representatives and the States in the Senate. With the adoption of the 17th Amendment, both chambers now represent only one side, the people. The States had their voices silenced and their claws removed, leading us down this dark path of ultimate federal control. The selection of Senators needs to be returned to the legislatures of the many States to restore the balance of power in Congress.

The second is the Apportionment Act of 1911. This set the number of Representatives in the House at the current number of 435. The Constitution says that the representation "shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand" (emphasis mine) residents but with the passage of the Apportionment Act of 1911, representation is now closer to one per 713,000. That number needs to be closer to the one per 30,000 number stated in the Constitution than to the number it is now. 1 per 30,000 would have a House numbering in the 10,000 member range, quite a large number but with email and video teleconferencing it should not be unmanageable/infeasible.

Repeal of these two articles would set the congress back to what it was meant to be and increase local accountability of our Representatives and Senators. Once accountability is restored in Congress, then and only then will the other two branches have no choice but to abide by the restraints on their power as set forth in the Constitution.

After that it'll be time to roll up our sleeves and get to work dismantling this house of cards that the progressives have been building since Teddy Roosevelt was in office; starting with the Fed and the 16th Amendment and working out from there.

------------------------------------------------------------


I posted that on another thread but wanted to reach a broader audience as many people are unaware of how Progressives "fundamentally transformed" Congress in 1911-1913 with the passage of the Apportionment Act of 1911 and the 17th Amendment. We have not been living under the governmental structure that the framers intended for over 100 years. This is making it easy for today's Progs to push the anti-Constitution agenda with a "You see, the government set up by the 'founding fathers' in the Constitution is flawed and out-dated and needs to be replaced," message on the unaware and sway the public opinion in favor of accepting "reforms" to the Constitution which may not necessarily have to meet the amendment criteria set forth in Article 5 but are needed all the same.

Yes, congress needs to be reformed and this is where that "reform" needs to start, with a return to the Congress that was intended, not the one established but those "early 20th Century Progressives" that Hillary Clinton is such a fan of.
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Obamacare needs to be overturned. That was a HUUUUUGE fck up...!
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bump for importance
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The Fed. Res. stays in business because we send them our money.

If you want a business to go away...stop giving them your money.

Pretty fucking difficult to figure out...eh.????
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You think adding more members of congress will get things done faster? You're an idiot. Because that will ensure that things don't get done. That would be TOO many to come to any agreement. Seriously.
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M'eh, never gonna happen.

Doesn't matter who you look at, historically, when our culture becomes this perverted there is no other option but some sort of collapse.

Perhaps if we addressed the REAL problem, the American "christian" church's attack on manhood that started way back in the early/mid 1800's and organized under the Women's Christian Temperance Union in the mid-ish 1800's things might make more sense on how to reverse it.

But it cannot happen. It WILL NOT happen.

BOTH "conservatives" and leftists all agree on one thing: our culture must support absolute Female Worship.

There was some fag caller on Limbaugh on Friday from Texas who pointed out correctly that Texas bitches EXPECT men to treat them a certain way. They EXPECT it while, AT THE SAME TIME demanding the right to snap their fingers and break up the family, commit adultery, abort their unborn and in Texas murder their already born, and demand someone else's money to support them when they decide to snap their fingers and not work.

Look at it simplified: our entire culture supports giving women everything without them having to earn ANYTHING.

That is welfare by definition.

When even so called "conservatives" support the Welfare state (cultural Marxism, Female Worship, whatever you want to call it) there is NO SALVATION.

Most of the Classical writers point this out, in particular Aristophanes' Women in Parliament. Women start attacking and demonizing men, then demand to take control of the political spectrum, and then the Welfare State, and finally collapse to a stronger society (likely Islam in our case, as it's the fastest growing on the planet in the USA).

Wake up OP. It's a real nice thought, but a flight of fancy.
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Forgot to point out that the Progressive victories in the early 1900's were a DIRECT result of the WCTU and its influence.

The WCTU started down this train of thought:

1) all men are drunks
2) all drunks beat their wives
3) all men beat their wives (when in reality women commit most domestic violence in the USA)
4) because of all this, morally superior women must take control of the family and society and the political spectrum.

This cultural influence led directly to the

Federal Reserve (men are too stupid, drunk, lazy and oppresive to manage their own monetary system without gubmint)

The 18th Amendment (all men are drunks so we have to take booze from them)

The 19th Amendment (morally superior women MUST control the political spectrum)

This was after 50 years PREVIOUS influence.

A chilling thing to behold that the American "christian" female has been demanding the same thing as Sharia:

-ban alcohol (Prohibition)
-ban guns (NFA of 1934, GCA of 1968, and on and on)
-ban drugs
-legislate morality

If you want to solve the problem, i firmly believe it IS POSSIBLE, but you HAVE TO FIND THE REAL ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
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The real answer is to revolt on paying taxes. That soft approach has proven itself dead long ago.

If we are really going to kill the sick agenda we need to take drastic measures starting with the refusal to pay income tax. Then move on to debt refutation. That will shut them down TOMORROW. Then we can remove all the crooks from office and replace them with truck drivers, construction workers, doctors, and philosophers.
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We are somewhere between Repealing Amendments, Constitutional Conventions to throw the government out and Revolt on paying taxes.

I recommend doing ALL OF THEM AT ONCE. Begin today.

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they welcome revolts. Look at history. They decide whether to stomp out uprisings, or encourage them for a full revolution. revolution means "all the way around." Where the same personality types end up on the back half of the guns ... if not the exact same people.

Study C.O.G. it is what federal employees must swear their life to. They do not swear to uphold and protect the constitution. "Its just a piece of paper"

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How is giving thousands more political assholes a paycheck going to help anything ?
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How is giving thousands more political assholes a paycheck going to help anything ?
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dilution of power.


You think adding more members of congress will get things done faster? You're an idiot. Because that will ensure that things don't get done. That would be TOO many to come to any agreement. Seriously.
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"things" are not supposed to be done easily, or fast, in Washington, DC. it's supposed to be a hard and slow process to get legislation passed.

it should to be much easier to get legislation through a State House or Assembly and made into law than it is to get them through the US Congress.

and I love the ad hominem. it really drives your point home.

oh, and as to nothing getting done? well, i'd have loved it if most of the legislation passed in this nation in the past 40 years didn't happen because it was too tough. The Dept of Education, amnesty under Reagan, The first Gulf War, the repeal of Glass/Steagall, the Patriot Act, the "war on terrorism", the second Gulf War, NDAA, obamacare, etc.

all passed because it was "too easy" to get them through congress.

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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The real answer is to revolt on paying taxes. That soft approach has proven itself dead long ago.

If we are really going to kill the sick agenda we need to take drastic measures starting with the refusal to pay income tax. Then move on to debt refutation. That will shut them down TOMORROW. Then we can remove all the crooks from office and replace them with truck drivers, construction workers, doctors, and philosophers.
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All tax revenue could disappear (and has been) and the Zog beast would continue to just make up a number like they've been doing all along.

The federal budget bears no resemblance to reality. Either in what they claim to collect or spend. It's as profoundly rigged as the fake ass stock market.

All Zog approved.
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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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nuke Canada would be my first choice, then Brittan. then Australia

3 nukes would level those shit holes asap and stop a lot of the hidden oppression placed on us by these neutered countries
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which in and of itself is in fact evidentiary of the fact that you are in nowise yet ready to be invested with either power nor authority hereinafter...

as you are in nowise eligible nor in any position to "teach" any other, rather you require much of such in your own regard in truth, and you shall receive all such as per such throughout the upcoming Millennial Reign...

there is NO such thing as "collateral damage" thusly when it comes to Gods children in truth

as those souls He has breathed the breath of life into are in nowise inconsequential to Him in turn

regardless of all that's coming to pass herein

you will ALL be "dead in flesh" by the end of this Age

what will matter from that point forward is just whom is yet considered to be "dead in spirit" as well thereafter

which is what will in FACT separate the men from the boys in truth

with reference to all that will indeed follow herein...
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if the 10,000+ member House is scaring people, take into consideration the only Amendment presented amongst the original Bill of Rights that has not as of yet been adopted.

Article One of the United States Bill of Rights.
"After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons."
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if this had been adopted along with the other eleven (ten immediately, one many, many years later) then we would have a House of Representatives numbering ~6,200.

The House was meant to grow in numbers so that power wouldn't be consolidated into so few hands.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The real answer is to revolt on paying taxes. That soft approach has proven itself dead long ago.

If we are really going to kill the sick agenda we need to take drastic measures starting with the refusal to pay income tax. Then move on to debt refutation. That will shut them down TOMORROW. Then we can remove all the crooks from office and replace them with truck drivers, construction workers, doctors, and philosophers.
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This would be the most effective. If everyone became educated about how they entrapped us into paying "income taxes" you need to watch the following video:



Once you have removed yourself from the system then you can start suing for fraud anyone that files a 1099 against you. This is a felony.

Watch and learn and then pass this on. EDUCATION IS THE KEY. We have all been dumbed down.
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And GOOD LUCK making a living in this economy sans an SSN. NOBODY will hire you. Only certain occupations lend themselves to making a living sans an SSN, including the "lucrative" ones: landscaper, handyman, etc.
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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!

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