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Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?

 
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Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
So I've been a vegetarian for about 2.5 years but about a month and a half ago I decided to become vegan. And now I'm noticing some more manliness attributes on the rise.. strength coming back WITH more endurance. more energy. more lean(probably due to losing stubborn fat areas)

I've read some stuff before on the topic and explanation being when on a vegan diet the body receives no outside hormones and thus produces more of it's own. Not sure the validity of that but it does make sense from design/evolutionary standpoint - since human biology appears more meat eating.

But now I've stumbled upon this article with interesting info. May shed some light on why Vegans end up with more natural testosterone than both meat eaters and vegetarians.

[link to nutritionfacts.org]

This study shows almost identical levels of 'free' testosterone in dieting subjects but the Vegans had significantly more SHBG. Which other studies link to regulating healthy hormone levels.. which is a whole other topic.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


ANYWAY I'm about to turn 30 and after I do I'll probably get some blood work done to see where all my levels are at.


Any other vegans out there ever been tested?
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What is difference between vegan and vegatarian?
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What is difference between vegan and vegatarian?
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vegans ingest zero animal products. vegetarians only remove meat from their diet.


personally i think the biggest factor is the cow's milk. when I was a vegetarian I ate a ton of cheese(most vegetarians do)
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
Hmmm that makes too much sense.. I don't even really eat that much meat. It's solo expensive anyway. And I won't eat day food garbage.

Like Dave Ramsey says when your trying to get rid of debt
Beans and rice rice and beans
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Ah so this is the reason why vegan women look like men
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
So I've been a vegetarian for about 2.5 years but about a month and a half ago I decided to become vegan. And now I'm noticing some more manliness attributes on the rise.. strength coming back WITH more endurance. more energy. more lean(probably due to losing stubborn fat areas)

I've read some stuff before on the topic and explanation being when on a vegan diet the body receives no outside hormones and thus produces more of it's own. Not sure the validity of that but it does make sense from design/evolutionary standpoint - since human biology appears more meat eating.

But now I've stumbled upon this article with interesting info. May shed some light on why Vegans end up with more natural testosterone than both meat eaters and vegetarians.

[link to nutritionfacts.org]

This study shows almost identical levels of 'free' testosterone in dieting subjects but the Vegans had significantly more SHBG. Which other studies link to regulating healthy hormone levels.. which is a whole other topic.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


ANYWAY I'm about to turn 30 and after I do I'll probably get some blood work done to see where all my levels are at.


Any other vegans out there ever been tested?
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Vegan for over two years here. I can attest to this. I noticed dramatic changes over the first 6 months. Just try to stay away from a lot of soy.
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Ah so this is the reason why vegan women look like men
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I work in 3 heath food stores, go to vegan workshops have seen a lot of the vegan women who have been vegan most of their lives, overall they are above average looking. Even the gay women...
The men who go vegan find out very soon that they loose weight have more energy and are off their medications in a few months, I see this over and over as they are excited and tell us about it at the store, and I see them before and after.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
So I've been a vegetarian for about 2.5 years but about a month and a half ago I decided to become vegan. And now I'm noticing some more manliness attributes on the rise.. strength coming back WITH more endurance. more energy. more lean(probably due to losing stubborn fat areas)

I've read some stuff before on the topic and explanation being when on a vegan diet the body receives no outside hormones and thus produces more of it's own. Not sure the validity of that but it does make sense from design/evolutionary standpoint - since human biology appears more meat eating.

But now I've stumbled upon this article with interesting info. May shed some light on why Vegans end up with more natural testosterone than both meat eaters and vegetarians.

[link to nutritionfacts.org]

This study shows almost identical levels of 'free' testosterone in dieting subjects but the Vegans had significantly more SHBG. Which other studies link to regulating healthy hormone levels.. which is a whole other topic.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


ANYWAY I'm about to turn 30 and after I do I'll probably get some blood work done to see where all my levels are at.


Any other vegans out there ever been tested?
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Vegan for over two years here. I can attest to this. I noticed dramatic changes over the first 6 months. Just try to stay away from a lot of soy.
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Stay away from ANY SOY.
Unless you want to grow hair on your vagina.
And grow a vagina.
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What is difference between vegan and vegatarian?
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They are more retarded then vegetarians.. they clear cut more forest for fields then farmers do for grazing land...
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This is bullshit. All vegan studies compare vegans to people eating trash like soda and McDonalds. They never compare vegans to people eating real food.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
The only way this will be a long term effect is if vegan is what's best for your personal genetics. Many people require animal products of some kind to have superior long term health. I became very emaciated on a vegan diet. I am a woman but I am an O blood type which is one that requires meat, but doesn't handle dairy well. A blood groups do well on dairy products but not meat.
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What is difference between vegan and vegatarian?
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They are more retarded then vegetarians.. they clear cut more forest for fields then farmers do for grazing land...
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What are you trying to reference here?
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This is bullshit. All vegan studies compare vegans to people eating trash like soda and McDonalds. They never compare vegans to people eating real food.
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Most people don't eat "real" foods because most people don't go to their local butcher to buy free range animal meats. Most people buy the cheap on sale meat at the local wal mart along with caged mass production egg and chicken meat. If you talk to most vegans that aren't these new age wannabe vegans there main focus is natural food intake, along with the compassion for all life but that is besides the point.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
This is bullshit. All vegan studies compare vegans to people eating trash like soda and McDonalds. They never compare vegans to people eating real food.
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Most people don't eat "real" foods because most people don't go to their local butcher to buy free range animal meats. Most people buy the cheap on sale meat at the local wal mart along with caged mass production egg and chicken meat. If you talk to most vegans that aren't these new age wannabe vegans there main focus is natural food intake, along with the compassion for all life but that is besides the point.
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Yes, that is my point. Almost anything is better than what the average person eats. But veganism is not good or anywhere near optimal just because it is better than chips and cookies.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
I recently met a lady who is a vegan. She looked in her early 20's and when she told me she was 38 I was shocked. Her hair, skin and outward appearance shined. She also had the perfect body. She stayed fit by doing Yoga for the past ten years. Most 20 year old would not be able to compete with this lady. I would be considered vegetarian and when I saw this lady I realized the advantage of eating healthier. I gave up meat and dairy along time ago but still enjoy Honey. Honey is something a true vegan doesn't use.

Peace
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What is difference between vegan and vegatarian?
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They are more retarded then vegetarians.. they clear cut more forest for fields then farmers do for grazing land...
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that's fine, we have a symbiotic relationship. we breathe out what they breathe in! yippie!
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
So I've been a vegetarian for about 2.5 years but about a month and a half ago I decided to become vegan. And now I'm noticing some more manliness attributes on the rise.. strength coming back WITH more endurance. more energy. more lean(probably due to losing stubborn fat areas)

I've read some stuff before on the topic and explanation being when on a vegan diet the body receives no outside hormones and thus produces more of it's own. Not sure the validity of that but it does make sense from design/evolutionary standpoint - since human biology appears more meat eating.

But now I've stumbled upon this article with interesting info. May shed some light on why Vegans end up with more natural testosterone than both meat eaters and vegetarians.

[link to nutritionfacts.org]

This study shows almost identical levels of 'free' testosterone in dieting subjects but the Vegans had significantly more SHBG. Which other studies link to regulating healthy hormone levels.. which is a whole other topic.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


ANYWAY I'm about to turn 30 and after I do I'll probably get some blood work done to see where all my levels are at.


Any other vegans out there ever been tested?
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Vegan for over two years here. I can attest to this. I noticed dramatic changes over the first 6 months. Just try to stay away from a lot of soy.
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Oh I learned the 'soy lesson' early in on being a vegetarian. Now I have barely any at all. although my weakness is the chicknless strips that i think gardein makes? amazing - simply amazing.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
So I've been a vegetarian for about 2.5 years but about a month and a half ago I decided to become vegan. And now I'm noticing some more manliness attributes on the rise.. strength coming back WITH more endurance. more energy. more lean(probably due to losing stubborn fat areas)

I've read some stuff before on the topic and explanation being when on a vegan diet the body receives no outside hormones and thus produces more of it's own. Not sure the validity of that but it does make sense from design/evolutionary standpoint - since human biology appears more meat eating.

But now I've stumbled upon this article with interesting info. May shed some light on why Vegans end up with more natural testosterone than both meat eaters and vegetarians.

[link to nutritionfacts.org]

This study shows almost identical levels of 'free' testosterone in dieting subjects but the Vegans had significantly more SHBG. Which other studies link to regulating healthy hormone levels.. which is a whole other topic.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


ANYWAY I'm about to turn 30 and after I do I'll probably get some blood work done to see where all my levels are at.


Any other vegans out there ever been tested?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


Vegan for over two years here. I can attest to this. I noticed dramatic changes over the first 6 months. Just try to stay away from a lot of soy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1840169

Stay away from ANY SOY.
Unless you want to grow hair on your vagina.
And grow a vagina.
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i'll admit, i did grow some milkers when i had soy but was still a vegetarian. now vegan - i'm losing weight in all the places it seemed to stay. the only other time i saw this was juice fasting.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
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Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
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You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
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I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to degenerate to a "Vegan Superiority" type of argument.

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that no animals were harmed in the growing, harvesting, transportation and sale of your food, then by all means, do so.

A healthy raw food diet is what nature intended for all animals, not the processed crap most people eat.

If humans didn't spend the the past 10,000 years weakening their immune systems (more so in the past 500 years) you would be able go out and eat 3 day old road kill and not get ill from it.
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You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
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Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
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It is not the natural human diet - diet is cultural.
And the health benefits are what persuade many to stop eating animal products - just like quitting smoking.
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You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to degenerate to a "Vegan Superiority" type of argument.

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that no animals were harmed in the growing, harvesting, transportation and sale of your food, then by all means, do so.

A healthy raw food diet is what nature intended for all animals, not the processed crap most people eat.

If humans didn't spend the the past 10,000 years weakening their immune systems (more so in the past 500 years) you would be able go out and eat 3 day old road kill and not get ill from it.
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I was wondering when the RABID WOLF would show up to the vegan/flesh eating thread.

which reminds me.. it would make more sense to me if humans consumed their meat raw - however 99.9% consume it medium rare or more.
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Re: Vegans have more natural testosterone than Meat eaters and Vegetarians?
You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40365949


that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


It is not the natural human diet - diet is cultural.
And the health benefits are what persuade many to stop eating animal products - just like quitting smoking.
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There are no health benefits. Diet is cultural, but all of those cyltures that survived ate meat. The hype from stupid vegans is what convinces people to stop eating animals, but there is no real evidence that vegetarians or vegans are healthier, and actually more evidence pointing to the conclusion that they are less healthy.

[link to www.realclearscience.com]
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You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40365949


that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


While the cigarette guy is an idiot I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I don't think anyone knows what the natural human diet is( pertaining to meat or vegan.) Both sides have good research to let us assume either. However, the majority of meat bought from stores is in fact not good for you, that is a well known fact. At least a vegan depends on natural, and non g mo diet. That is better for your body, mind and soul.
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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
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Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


It is not the natural human diet - diet is cultural.
And the health benefits are what persuade many to stop eating animal products - just like quitting smoking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


There are no health benefits. Diet is cultural, but all of those cyltures that survived ate meat. The hype from stupid vegans is what convinces people to stop eating animals, but there is no real evidence that vegetarians or vegans are healthier, and actually more evidence pointing to the conclusion that they are less healthy.

[link to www.realclearscience.com]
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Your logic has failed you. The hype is not what convinces people to stop eating meat - vegetarians, I could consider that thought. You don't get 'hyped' up to make a change like that. It's not a fad or a cult.

And all cultures that have died ate meat, so what are you saying? People that write history books survived AND ate meat?
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OP, what you are experiencing is commonly known as faggotism...it's when you aren't getting the proper enzymes, nutrients, and micronutrients that are available in a balanced diet. Enjoy being fag.
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You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40365949


that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


While the cigarette guy is an idiot I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I don't think anyone knows what the natural human diet is( pertaining to meat or vegan.) Both sides have good research to let us assume either. However, the majority of meat bought from stores is in fact not good for you, that is a well known fact. At least a vegan depends on natural, and non g mo diet. That is better for your body, mind and soul.
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What are you talking about? The natural human diet is omnivorous with an emphasis on meat. This is well known and not controversial. Some ideologues and priests of veganism try to deny it, but it is a fact regardless of what the vegan cult says.

And vegan sucks compared to meat based paleo diet. Not even going to go into it because it is obvious to anyone who isn't a retard.
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You can argue in anyway you desire. Everyone is different with different DNA.

I thrive on low starch and high fate/protein.

I tried vegan, but it was no fun and I got many viruses. Not sure why that was.

Anyhow, more cow for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40365949


that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


While the cigarette guy is an idiot I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I don't think anyone knows what the natural human diet is( pertaining to meat or vegan.) Both sides have good research to let us assume either. However, the majority of meat bought from stores is in fact not good for you, that is a well known fact. At least a vegan depends on natural, and non g mo diet. That is better for your body, mind and soul.
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the cigarette guy is an idiot... sounds like what they said in the 60s to the guy claiming one day gays will be able to get married!


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that's fine, do as you please. but eating meat will be the next thing after smoking cigarettes - the only ones doing it are those addicted and cannot help themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4948678


Eating meat is nothing like cigarettes. It is the natural human diet. Veganism is not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


While the cigarette guy is an idiot I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I don't think anyone knows what the natural human diet is( pertaining to meat or vegan.) Both sides have good research to let us assume either. However, the majority of meat bought from stores is in fact not good for you, that is a well known fact. At least a vegan depends on natural, and non g mo diet. That is better for your body, mind and soul.
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What are you talking about? The natural human diet is omnivorous with an emphasis on meat. This is well known and not controversial. Some ideologues and priests of veganism try to deny it, but it is a fact regardless of what the vegan cult says.

And vegan sucks compared to meat based paleo diet. Not even going to go into it because it is obvious to anyone who isn't a retard.
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