BRKG - Open warfare in Gaza (PA ordered to fight IDF)

And they think they can win... how?

If they were smart, they'd just make one giant "peaceful" protest, march all the way from Gaza to the West Bank. *Dare* the Israeli army to open fire... then they'd at least have world public opinion firmly on their side.

Oh, and while they're at it, get some guys on CNN who can speak English without an Arabic accent...

Hamas's problem, and that of Arabs in general, is they're not exploiting their enemy's weak point. Arabs *should* be perceived as victims, as the underdogs... but with each such order as this one, the world thinks "well, it's just two opponents fighting it out like men, and Israel is outnumbered 50 to 1 in the region."

I can respect them for their pride, but strategically, they're incompetent. They're losing the propaganda war, which is the only war that the average Westerner gets to experience - and the only war that they have a chance of winning.

Hamas/PA hasn't ordered anything like that before...


Who wants to guess the orders came from their masters is Damascus???

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Who wants to guess the orders came from their masters is Damascus???
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Take my word for it, the Syrians are not your enemies, nor are they the enemies of the Israelis. I lived there for several years in the 90s, they're a secular, relatively reasonable country, and its population is among the *least* brain washed in the Arab world. They *know* their media is controlled, the "average Syrian" is not your enemy, and even their PTB cooperated with the US in intelligence-gathering up until the *US* cut down on those ties.

They're not Islamic fundamentalists, they're Baathists, as in secular "Arab Nationalists"... and their security forces spend a lot of time hunting down Islamic extremists.

I for one am going to be pretty pissed off if the Israelis - or Americans - attack Syria.

If Syria attacks first, so be it, they'll have to take the consequences... but don't believe the propaganda that they're an "evil terrorist" state. The US has supported "terrorist" movements in the past, they just call them "freedom fighters"... just like the Syrians consider Hamas and PLO freedom fighters.

the PA will get support from somewhere...

I thik the last casualty reports I saw were dozens of militants to 1 IDF.

I don't xpect this to wind down anytime soon. I see this as a calculated escalation. Who's pulling the strings? I'm not sure. but it seems like all the 'axis-of-evil' is in the headlines these days.


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Smartest thing I've read on this all day....but I'm thinking Hamas KNOWS they can'w win figures losing a bunch of their people, civilian and otherwise, will accomplish the same goals you've stated.

palestine and its people have already won...
read your history..
all the occupied country has to do is not lose not be broken and resist how can the occupier declare victory?

ahhhhh mission accomplished?

Ah Vietnam sounf familar? Iraq?

pretty suggestive pinned topic also
open warfare... been this way for 50 years ordered to fight or protect your loved ones

A**holes

Order out of Caos! Remember that line.

By not losing. Israel can inflict some casualties on them but short of genocide, the palestinian problem is there to stay. Guerilla warfare.

It's also the religion, the Quaran is VERY specific in this area.

They HAVE to try to defend themselves, it is what God wants.

But I agree, they are like lambs to the slaughter, hopefully some "help" will arrive in the form of other Islamic countries.

Attack a country and kidnap a soldier, use a religious book to intensify the reaction level to the incursion, use the growing religious fanaticism to launch and justify offensive jihad afterwards.

If they were smart, they'd just make one giant "peaceful" protest, march all the way from Gaza to the West Bank. *Dare* the Israeli army to open fire... then they'd at least have world public opinion firmly on their side.

Oh, and while they're at it, get some guys on CNN who can speak English without an Arabic accent...

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And don't gun down journalists from Al Jazeera, saying they are Israeli operatives.

That wasn't the smartest thing to do!

what would happen if israel were to lose this one? hmmmmmmmmm.

Staff Sgt. Yehuda Bassel, 21, from Moshav Yinon, member of Golani, was the first Israeli soldier killed in Gaza offensive Thursday

July 6, 2006, 8:17 PM (GMT+02:00)

He died of wounds sustained from Palestinian sniper shots from Beit Lehiya outskirts. Heavy fire delayed his evacuation to hospital. Two Israeli soldiers were injured.

If they were smart, they'd just make one giant "peaceful" protest, march all the way from Gaza to the West Bank. *Dare* the Israeli army to open fire... then they'd at least have world public opinion firmly on their side.

The only problem with that is that the Israeli troops would just wipe them out Thats the kind of genocidal maniacs that they are trained to be.

And the media wouldnt present it in the way you suggest because all the major broadcasters are owned by Zionists or their many wealthy sympathisers


Anyway why should any human being have to sacrifice themselves to enjoy the rights most of us take for granted

We're all human beings

Anyway why should any human being have to sacrifice themselves to enjoy the rights most of us take for granted

We're all human beings

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REad a little history, fella!

Many died so that 'we' could have the rights we now have.

And many do NOT take it for granted. To do so is folly.

Could this be in response to Israel arresting/kidnapping the Palestinian Parliament President Hassan Khreisheh earlier today? I believe Israel has only arrested people with links to Hamas so far, but I've read that Hassan was "independent" and not part of Hamas. By all definition he was a civilian and a legally elected politician who was not connected to the organization that did the kidnapping. (By the way isn’t that a war crime? Where is the UN? lol)
Anyway it seems they (both sides) finally found what they have been looking for oh so long, another reason for a declaration of open war.

ok, so they arrested senior members of the ruling (by election) party, effetivly shutting down the gov.(noriega) Bombed the power plants and water supply. Cut off emergency aid to thousands of people.(katrina with a twist) and now they are escalating on both sides.(Vietnam) IF...........IF........anyone comes to the aid of isolated non-supplied Pales, WWIII. (new one)
(some things look very familiar to other forms of crowd control)

They did not cut off emergency aid. Just so you know...

Update:

[link to www.cnn.com]
Up to 12 Palestinians, 1 Israeli killed as Gaza offensive intensifies

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- The Hamas-led Palestinian government told its security forces Thursday to fight Israeli troops moving into Gaza.

Interior Ministry spokesman Khaled Abu Hilal said all Palestinian security forces had received orders to join the resistance against ongoing Israeli military incursions. It was unclear how many of those forces would answer the call.

Israeli troops were locked in battle with Palestinian militants as Israel stepped up its bid to free a captured soldier and counter Palestinian rocket attacks.

There were conflicting death tolls on Thursday, but as many as 12 Palestinians may have been killed. The Israel Defense Forces said one Israeli soldier died.

Most of the Palestinian security forces in Gaza are loyal to the Fatah Party of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas defeated Fatah in parliamentary elections earlier this year.

Hamas has accused Israel of trying to destroy it with its military action.

Saeb Erakat, a Palestinian legislator and aide to Abbas, said the president wasn't involved in the call to security forces.

In previous fights, Palestinian security forces have been on the sidelines for the most part, while the Israeli military battled militants.

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Deaths mount in Gaza clashes

[link to www.channel4.com]

Last Modified: 6 Jul 2006
Source: ITN

Twenty two Palestinians have been killed in the worst day of violence since Israel entered the Gaza Strip.

Gunmen also killed an Israeli soldier in northern Gaza, in the clashes.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ordered tanks to push deeper into Gaza overnight after militants from the ruling Hamas movement fired rockets into a major Israeli city for the first time.


The incursion expands an offensive that began last week with the main goal of bringing home a captured soldier and piles pressure on the Hamas government, already on the brink of collapse because of a Western aid embargo.

Among the deadliest attacks on Thursday, an Israeli air strike near the town of Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza killed six Palestinian civilians, witnesses and medics said.

The army said it had carried out two air strikes against armed militants in the area, killing four gunmen.

A spokeswoman said she was unaware of civilian deaths.