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Is Wicca evil?

 
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So if Jesus wasn't GOD in the flesh how was His death and resurrection able to redeem humanity?
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Jesus is called the Son of God, never God. God is not mortal, so I don't see how God can die to redeem us.
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So how was Jesus Christ's death and resurrection able to redeem humanity if he isn't GOD? And who's the Father and the Holy Spirit?
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The Father is YHWH, the Most High God, the Son is the Messiah and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit and force of God, proceeding from God.
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So it sounds to me that you just defined the GODHEAD which some people call the trinity? So do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and His death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
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Wicca Is All About Satanism



Wicca is all about Satanism. Although Wicca does not practice the type of Satanism associated with such groups as the Church of Satan (who openly declare Satan's existence), Wicca does practice it's own version of Satanism (which sees Lucifer as good and undeserving of the title "Satan").
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Christians Don't Understand Wicca?

by David J. Stewart




I have received several e-mails lately from pagans and Wiccans accusing me of ignorance about Wicca. They tell me to go to websites such as www.witchvox.com to educate myself. Well, I have been to witchvox and I have studies their beliefs. One of the biggest criticisms I receive from the Wicca witches is that they don't believe in Satan and that I'm totally out of the ballpark to even associate them with Satan. The pagan witches teach that Christians created the devil, and even the term "pagan."

Wiccans blame Christians for creating all the distortions about what Wicca is really all about. For a Biblical overview of what Wicca is truly about, please read Wicca (neo-paganism). According to Wiccans, the Devil is only a boogeyman created by Christians to scare the world. Wicca teaches that Lucifer is the true god, the god of light and goodness. They also hold dear, Pan, unquestionably the most revered of their gods.

May I say, Wicca is of the Devil. Wicca witchcraft is Satanic to the core, straight out of the pits of Hell. Just because Wicca witches want to discredit the Bible and eliminate the clear teachings of Scripture doesn't mean that it is so. Listen to what the Bible teaches...


"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

—2nd John 1:7

Wiccans are deceivers and antichrists! Wiccan witches teach that there are hundreds of deities that can be worshipped, but Jesus Christ is NOT one of them. The Bible teaches that there is ONLY ONE GOD (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11). Wiccans are idolaters. Wicca has no place for the Lord Jesus Christ nor the Word of God. Wiccans try to deceive the masses by claiming that they don't believe in Satan, so how can they be Satanic? This logic only applies within the Wicca cult itself, but not in reality.

The entire premise of Wicca's white witchcraft is that the Bible is NOT true. I believe that the King James Bible is the preserved, infallible, inerrant, inspired Word of God. The Bible teaches that believers were first called "Christians" at Antioch by the heathen (Acts 11:26). Just as Wiccans claim that Christians were the first to call them "pagans," so also it was the pagans who first called born-again believers "Christians." I am a born-again believer and I believe that the King James Bible is God's Word. Jesus is the Savior and I have trusted Him to forgive my sins and take me to Heaven.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

—1st John 2:22

Everything about Wicca witchcraft goes contrary to the Bible. There is no way to deal with your sins in Wicca. Where does Wicca address the fact that we are sinners in need of forgiveness? Nowhere! Wicca is a false religion, damning the souls of it's followers to Hell. Wiccans can accuse Christians of being ignorant concerning their beliefs, but it is simply not true. I realize that Wiccans don't believe in Satan; but Christians certainly DO because the Bible says there is a Devil. It is NOT about Christians being the enemies of Wicca; it is about the Bible, the Word of God, being the enemy of Wicca. Wiccans like to target Christians with their propaganda, while they avoid challenging the irrefutable Word of God. Not one spade-full of archeologist's dirt has ever disproved the Bible. Science has not disproved the Bible. History has not disproved the Bible. Wicca has no solid rock upon which their house is built, but is rather built upon uncertain sand. The Christian's faith is built upon the rock solid Word of God and the Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 19:13).

It is not my ignorance of Wicca that causes me to say that "Wicca is Satanic," it is my knowledge of the Word of God. Wiccans tell on themselves when they declare that Lucifer is the god of light...


"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." —2nd Corinthians 11:14

I plead with you in Jesus' name to depart from Wicca's works of darkness. Wicca is a certain path to eternal destruction in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:15). Wicca is Satanic! Wiccans can deny this allegation all they want to, but they are certainly of the Devil, their master. Satan is a woeful deceiver...


"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." —Revelation 12:9

Satan has deceived the WHOLE WORLD (1st John 5:19). Ninety-eight percent of the world's masses are bound for Hell without Jesus Christ. Catholicism is a lie of the Devil. Islam is a lie of the Devil. Buddhism is a lie of the Devil. Mormonism is a lie of the Devil. Religious diversity is a lie of the Devil. Wicca is a lie of the Devil. Freemasonry is a lie of the Devil. Atheism is a lie of the Devil. New Age is a lie of the Devil. ONLY through Jesus Christ can anyone obtain the forgiveness of sins and go to Heaven (Acts 4:10-12). This is not just what Christians teach, it is what the Bible teaches. Either you believe the Bible or you don't. Have you been deceived?

Wicca is all about Satanism. Although Wicca does not practice the type of Satanism associated with such groups as the Church of Satan (who openly declare Satan's existence), Wicca does practice it's own version of Satanism (which sees Lucifer as good and undeserving of the title "Satan"). Either way, Wiccans and Satanists worship the same master. Lucifer is a two-time loser, cast out of Heaven and soon to be cast into Hell forever. Lucifer is the Devil, Satan, the Beast. Would it satisfy the godless Witches if I said that Wicca is all about Luciferianism? Whether Lucifer or Satan, it is the SAME evil spirit... old smut face himself. This is my response to the foolish accusations from Wiccans that Christians are ignorant of what Wicca believes. Christians are NOT ignorant of Wiccan witchcraft, we're just not going to recognize your lies and distortions of the Word of God. Satan is a DECEIVER! Deceitfulness is the hallmark of Lucifer, Satan.

Satan works his lying wonders and fools the masses, but we are NOT fooled...


"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." —2nd Thessalonians 2:9,10

I am sickened as I watch FOX Lies (news) on the TV. The masses have been lied to about everything from 911 to Roman Catholicism, from the Oklahoma City Bombing to Iraq. George W. Bush is a man of lying wonders, as is Bill Clinton and others. Wicca is also a LIE of the Devil. Satan is a master counterfeiter, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Please don't be deceived my friend, the Word of God strongly condemn witchcraft and idolatry (1st Samuel 15:23). There is NO goodness in serving the Devil through Wicca, only a road to destruction paved with good intentions....

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." —Proverb 16:25

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Wicca's Untrue History

"... the sin of witchcraft..." —1st Samuel 15:23

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Do we appear redeemed?
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It's a choice.
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It's a crock of shit.
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Why are you telling me that?

Take your complaints to GOD?

Even better ask Him to define redemption for you?
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Because I want to save you from foolish preconceived notions that will have you locked into one realm in the afterlife.
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Pat Robertson Tells A Wiccan He's Going To Hell



Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday told a Wiccan viewer that he was going to end up in Hell no matter how good of a person he tried to be.

"I'm Wiccan," a viewer name Tim explained to the TV preacher in a letter. "Does that mean by your Christian beliefs that I'm going to Hell?"
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Pat Robertson Tells A Wiccan He's Going To Hell



Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday told a Wiccan viewer that he was going to end up in Hell no matter how good of a person he tried to be.

"I'm Wiccan," a viewer name Tim explained to the TV preacher in a letter. "Does that mean by your Christian beliefs that I'm going to Hell?"
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Eternal condemnation only requires one sin! That's why everyone needs Jesus Christ!!

If one was really honest they would realize that their good deeds even have a level selfishness in them and selfishness is sin!
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Jesus is called the Son of God, never God. God is not mortal, so I don't see how God can die to redeem us.
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So how was Jesus Christ's death and resurrection able to redeem humanity if he isn't GOD? And who's the Father and the Holy Spirit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


The Father is YHWH, the Most High God, the Son is the Messiah and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit and force of God, proceeding from God.
 Quoting: vedklyvare


So it sounds to me that you just defined the GODHEAD which some people call the trinity? So do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and His death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


No. Jesus is the Messiah, the anointed one of God, that doesn't make him God, or part of a God-trio. Just as Gabriel is an angelic messenger of God, or Elijah was a prophet of God. The trinitarian principle of the "godhead" (theioteôs) is that YHWH is not one, but part of a trio, and Jesus is another part of the trio, then the Holy Spirit suddenly becomes a person individual from God - then these three Gods joins together and form a SuperGod.

So, according to trinitarian doctrine: when God says he's one, it's a lie; when God says he does not change, it's a lie; when God says he's spirit, it's a lie; when God says he's not man, it's a lie; when God says he's not son of man, it's a lie; when God says he doesn't lie, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only judges as he hear, it's a lie; when Jesus says the one who sent him is greater, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only does the will of his Father, it's a lie. And so on.
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Pat Robertson Tells A Wiccan He's Going To Hell



Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday told a Wiccan viewer that he was going to end up in Hell no matter how good of a person he tried to be.

"I'm Wiccan," a viewer name Tim explained to the TV preacher in a letter. "Does that mean by your Christian beliefs that I'm going to Hell?"
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Eternal condemnation only requires one sin! That's why everyone needs Jesus Christ!!

If one was really honest they would realize that their good deeds even have a level selfishness in them and selfishness is sin!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622



Isaiah 64:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
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Pat Robertson Tells A Wiccan He's Going To Hell



Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday told a Wiccan viewer that he was going to end up in Hell no matter how good of a person he tried to be.

"I'm Wiccan," a viewer name Tim explained to the TV preacher in a letter. "Does that mean by your Christian beliefs that I'm going to Hell?"
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Eternal condemnation only requires one sin! That's why everyone needs Jesus Christ!!

If one was really honest they would realize that their good deeds even have a level selfishness in them and selfishness is sin!
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cruise

Better hope you don't want to survive in your deathbed. Selfishness! Coveting the body! One sin to push you over the edge into the fire.
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Pat Robertson Tells A Wiccan He's Going To Hell



Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday told a Wiccan viewer that he was going to end up in Hell no matter how good of a person he tried to be.

"I'm Wiccan," a viewer name Tim explained to the TV preacher in a letter. "Does that mean by your Christian beliefs that I'm going to Hell?"
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Eternal condemnation only requires one sin! That's why everyone needs Jesus Christ!!

If one was really honest they would realize that their good deeds even have a level selfishness in them and selfishness is sin!
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That's really not what Jesus said.
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So how was Jesus Christ's death and resurrection able to redeem humanity if he isn't GOD? And who's the Father and the Holy Spirit?
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The Father is YHWH, the Most High God, the Son is the Messiah and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit and force of God, proceeding from God.
 Quoting: vedklyvare


So it sounds to me that you just defined the GODHEAD which some people call the trinity? So do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and His death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


No. Jesus is the Messiah, the anointed one of God, that doesn't make him God, or part of a God-trio. Just as Gabriel is an angelic messenger of God, or Elijah was a prophet of God. The trinitarian principle of the "godhead" (theioteôs) is that YHWH is not one, but part of a trio, and Jesus is another part of the trio, then the Holy Spirit suddenly becomes a person individual from God - then these three Gods joins together and form a SuperGod.

So, according to trinitarian doctrine: when God says he's one, it's a lie; when God says he does not change, it's a lie; when God says he's spirit, it's a lie; when God says he's not man, it's a lie; when God says he's not son of man, it's a lie; when God says he doesn't lie, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only judges as he hear, it's a lie; when Jesus says the one who sent him is greater, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only does the will of his Father, it's a lie. And so on.
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Do you believe that Jesus Christ's death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
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The Father is YHWH, the Most High God, the Son is the Messiah and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit and force of God, proceeding from God.
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So it sounds to me that you just defined the GODHEAD which some people call the trinity? So do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and His death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


No. Jesus is the Messiah, the anointed one of God, that doesn't make him God, or part of a God-trio. Just as Gabriel is an angelic messenger of God, or Elijah was a prophet of God. The trinitarian principle of the "godhead" (theioteôs) is that YHWH is not one, but part of a trio, and Jesus is another part of the trio, then the Holy Spirit suddenly becomes a person individual from God - then these three Gods joins together and form a SuperGod.

So, according to trinitarian doctrine: when God says he's one, it's a lie; when God says he does not change, it's a lie; when God says he's spirit, it's a lie; when God says he's not man, it's a lie; when God says he's not son of man, it's a lie; when God says he doesn't lie, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only judges as he hear, it's a lie; when Jesus says the one who sent him is greater, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only does the will of his Father, it's a lie. And so on.
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Do you believe that Jesus Christ's death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


I believe in Jesus' words. Jesus' own words.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, will it be according to faith or deeds?

Matthew 25:31-46
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So it sounds to me that you just defined the GODHEAD which some people call the trinity? So do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and His death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
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No. Jesus is the Messiah, the anointed one of God, that doesn't make him God, or part of a God-trio. Just as Gabriel is an angelic messenger of God, or Elijah was a prophet of God. The trinitarian principle of the "godhead" (theioteôs) is that YHWH is not one, but part of a trio, and Jesus is another part of the trio, then the Holy Spirit suddenly becomes a person individual from God - then these three Gods joins together and form a SuperGod.

So, according to trinitarian doctrine: when God says he's one, it's a lie; when God says he does not change, it's a lie; when God says he's spirit, it's a lie; when God says he's not man, it's a lie; when God says he's not son of man, it's a lie; when God says he doesn't lie, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only judges as he hear, it's a lie; when Jesus says the one who sent him is greater, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only does the will of his Father, it's a lie. And so on.
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Do you believe that Jesus Christ's death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


I believe in Jesus' words. Jesus' own words.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, will it be according to faith or deeds?

Matthew 25:31-46
 Quoting: vedklyvare


So how would you interpret this scripture?


Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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No. Jesus is the Messiah, the anointed one of God, that doesn't make him God, or part of a God-trio. Just as Gabriel is an angelic messenger of God, or Elijah was a prophet of God. The trinitarian principle of the "godhead" (theioteôs) is that YHWH is not one, but part of a trio, and Jesus is another part of the trio, then the Holy Spirit suddenly becomes a person individual from God - then these three Gods joins together and form a SuperGod.

So, according to trinitarian doctrine: when God says he's one, it's a lie; when God says he does not change, it's a lie; when God says he's spirit, it's a lie; when God says he's not man, it's a lie; when God says he's not son of man, it's a lie; when God says he doesn't lie, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only judges as he hear, it's a lie; when Jesus says the one who sent him is greater, it's a lie; when Jesus says he only does the will of his Father, it's a lie. And so on.
 Quoting: vedklyvare


Do you believe that Jesus Christ's death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


I believe in Jesus' words. Jesus' own words.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, will it be according to faith or deeds?

Matthew 25:31-46
 Quoting: vedklyvare


So how would you interpret this scripture?


Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Well, that kinda makes Jesus a liar, doesn't it?! Or he's telling the truth and somebody else isn't. So you'll have to choose between the two dissenting views, and Jesus says in Matthew 12:30: "He who is not with Me is against Me" And I'll go with Jesus as usual. And according to Jesus' words in Matthew 25:31-46, that's not how it works. According to Jesus, our righteous acts are not like filthy rags, quite the opposite: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:14-16

How would I interpret that Scripture, you ask. My answer will have to be: exactly the way I interpret this (below) Scripture.

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:29 (Letter to the gentile converts according to the decrees of the council of Jerusalem)

But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Revelation 2:14 (Message to the Church in Pergamum - Jesus)

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 1 Corinthians 8:4

Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse
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1 Corinthians 8:7-8

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Druidism, which Wiccan's claim to emulate practiced child sacrifice. Wiccan's will do the same if left to their own devices.

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Genesis 22:2. All religions can be good and all religions can be evil. It's up to the people that use them.
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Druidism, which Wiccan's claim to emulate practiced child sacrifice. Wiccan's will do the same if left to their own devices.

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Genesis 22:2. All religions can be good and all religions can be evil. It's up to the people that use them.
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Genesis 22:11
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Do you believe that Jesus Christ's death and resurrection is able to redeem humanity?
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I believe in Jesus' words. Jesus' own words.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, will it be according to faith or deeds?

Matthew 25:31-46
 Quoting: vedklyvare


So how would you interpret this scripture?


Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14160622


Well, that kinda makes Jesus a liar, doesn't it?! Or he's telling the truth and somebody else isn't. So you'll have to choose between the two dissenting views, and Jesus says in Matthew 12:30: "He who is not with Me is against Me" And I'll go with Jesus as usual. And according to Jesus' words in Matthew 25:31-46, that's not how it works. According to Jesus, our righteous acts are not like filthy rags, quite the opposite: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:14-16

How would I interpret that Scripture, you ask. My answer will have to be: exactly the way I interpret this (below) Scripture.

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:29 (Letter to the gentile converts according to the decrees of the council of Jerusalem)

But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Revelation 2:14 (Message to the Church in Pergamum - Jesus)

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 1 Corinthians 8:4

Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse
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1 Corinthians 8:7-8
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Weren't much of the teachings of Jesus GOD's pre Crucifixion requirements knowing that humanity would never be able to fulfill them to perfection? If humanity was capable of keeping GOD's laws to perfection there would have been no need for the Crucifixion?


Romans 3:23

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23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;



Ephesians 2:8-9 is post Crucifixion.
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I believe in Jesus' words. Jesus' own words.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, will it be according to faith or deeds?

Matthew 25:31-46
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So how would you interpret this scripture?


Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Well, that kinda makes Jesus a liar, doesn't it?! Or he's telling the truth and somebody else isn't. So you'll have to choose between the two dissenting views, and Jesus says in Matthew 12:30: "He who is not with Me is against Me" And I'll go with Jesus as usual. And according to Jesus' words in Matthew 25:31-46, that's not how it works. According to Jesus, our righteous acts are not like filthy rags, quite the opposite: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:14-16

How would I interpret that Scripture, you ask. My answer will have to be: exactly the way I interpret this (below) Scripture.

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:29 (Letter to the gentile converts according to the decrees of the council of Jerusalem)

But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Revelation 2:14 (Message to the Church in Pergamum - Jesus)

As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 1 Corinthians 8:4

Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse
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1 Corinthians 8:7-8
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Weren't much of the teachings of Jesus GOD's pre Crucifixion requirements knowing that humanity would never be able to fulfill them to perfection? If humanity was capable of keeping GOD's laws to perfection there would have been no need for the Crucifixion?


Romans 3:23

King James Version (KJV)

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;



Ephesians 2:8-9 is post Crucifixion.
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As you see per my writings - if you picked up on it - all the contradicting teachings in the Bible stems from one author; coincidently the author who said "God is not the author of confusion". Look a the dissenting views concerning food offered to idols, and also notice how the decree of the Jerusalem Council, the genuine apostles chosen by Jesus, is being totally ignored and even falsified.

So if you look what Jesus said, Jesus' word only being the prime authority... you suddenly have a whole different ballgame. When did Jesus say we've all fallen short? When did Jesus say our works of righteousness is filthy rags? Never! On the contrary; he will judge us according to them, according to our deeds. He never said if you break one law, you're screwed! He said repent, turn from sin, ask forgiveness.

He said: Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven

And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.

Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near

Even some goat have faith, even demons believe in God (and shudders).

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity Matthew 7:21-23


How could the gentiles even be saved from the Mosaic Law when we were never under it to begin with? The israelites were held to a different standard.

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Yes!! It's witchcraft!! The sources are the same despite ones intentions!!
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