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Doctors know best, which is why they kill more people every year than just about anything else. The time has come to abandon them.
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HAHA look at this fucking idiot acting like he can generalize how every single person acts while being highly entertained!

dance for me clown! dance!

hahaha... you are completely clueless
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You come across as slightly hysterical.

Again, lack of bacon.

Your system is unbalanced.
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Anyone that doesn't love Moms, bacon, and dogs is clearly not human.
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Doctors know best, which is why they kill more people every year than just about anything else. The time has come to abandon them.
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When you living the all natural life style, eating grass and hay living in a cave. I hope you don't have a Appendicitis - Might need a doctor and the rest of modern society to treat that for ya.
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haha wow, look at these examples. grasping at straws...how pathetic!

pretty sure a starving person would be happy to eat anything!

why are you basing your diet off of being starving??? HAHAHA wow... the lack of logic amazes me. if you were only harming yourself, i wouldnt care. however, your way of life is a big reason why the world is dying. wake up, asshole.
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I suspect your anger stems from a lack of bacon.

Mmmmm...bacon!!
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MMMMMMM ELK BACON MMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

I have absolutely no problem with vegans, they just mean more bacon for the rest of us!!!!!!

I think we should encourage people to be vegan!!!!!!




Have you ever noticed how vegans are like the crazy biblethumpers in that if you don't believe and do like they do you'll somehow die a horrible death that only they can avoid???????!!!!!!!!
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Excellent points!

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Anyone that doesn't love Moms, bacon, and dogs is clearly not human.
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So funny. It's like two extremes, either you feed your child with big macs and other junk food or you feed them only vegetables. I have grown up on meat, dairy and vegetables. All humans have always eaten meat and dairy and have lived life very well. Now, some vegan nutjobs come in and say that you can be healthy only by eating vegetables... What? And that, it's better than to eat junk food. A regular person, who can handle junk food, meat and vegetables is better off than a person who eats only vegetables.

This debate is ridiculous. Healthy person is the one who eats all products in balanced portions.
I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience. :)
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With the meat prices going through the roof...soon to be unaffordable, you may want to explore alternate sources of protein, iron, etc. The vegans have a leg up. Just sayin.
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Good. Dumbshit vegans who try to feed their kids vegan are child abusers and should be executed.
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I'm not vegan and neither are my children, but NAZI much?
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If being against child abuse is Naziism, then yes. I am a Nazi, but that has nothing to do with my opinion on these jokers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59342275


forcing Veganism on your child is extreme, but what is alarming here is the speed at which it happened.

The way the news video makes her sound absolutely looney for wanting to give the baby soy formula and consulting a "natural" doctor.

and that within one hour they had the baby and the mother. We don't even know if the child was in any danger.
 Quoting: waxonwaxoff


Forcing vegan on kids is extreme? Forcing non-vegan on them is extreme. Actually we don't force anything on our kids, we introduce them to things. For instance, we introduce our kids to ice cream, chocoale milk or soda pop as kids (ie; gmo's, sugars and cancer causing sugar substitutes, various deadly chemicals etc.). Isn't that actual child abuse? Our kids are (and rightly so) an extension of us, our beliefs get passed on to them. To call that extreme is well.....extreme. Everybody believes that their "educated" opinion is THE opinion and the world should modify itself accordingly. Veganism is good and healthy, vegetarianism is good and healthy. The regular everyday eating regimen offered by the mainstream is enriching to the ama etc however is deadly to the average American and truly abusive.
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Who's surprised? They tell us all the time that our kids are not ours.


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...a pediatrician told Markham that her baby needed to be admitted to Florida Hospital South for treatment because the child was dehydrated and was losing weight.

she wanted to get a second opinion about her child,

did not believe that her baby was dehydrated because the child was having bowel movements.

she did not give the formula/medicine that the doctor provided because she did not agree with the ingredients,

While en route to jail, Markham had a carefree attitude, even though she was told that she was not going to be allowed to see her child until a court hearing.

The baby was taken to Florida Hospital South for treatment and was placed into state custody.

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If the hypocrite were a true naturalist', she would be breast feeding the child.... What a mental ill vegan freak!!! (Soy rot's the brain)
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That's exactly what this story is doing. Notice how the reporter said natural doctor as in woo wooo. When in fact they are qualified & highly trained Naturopathic Doctors.

We don't have the Mothers side of this story, so I'm not going to jump all over her just because the media has put their own spin on this.

Maybe she was unable to breast feed for some reason & had to use formula. Maybe she refused vaccines & that's the true story here?

It's very disturbing that the doc reported her to the police & bam within an hour she is arrested. Yeah, no agenda here at all folks (sarcasm)

If they are so interested in the wellfare of the baby they could have sent out a public health nurse to discuss the condition of the baby with Mom & help her with feeding the baby properly. Now they have taken the baby away at a critical time of bonding for both Mom & baby. But hey, the authorities always know best, right people.

Plus a baby usually looses weight in the beginning & then gradually gains it back later.

Yeah, I smell a rotten fish here.
 Quoting: saffire&gold

If you’re smelling rotten fish, then I’d suggest you check yourself.

if the “natural ( ie, quack) isn’t a licensed, board certified individual, then he doesn’t begin to compare to one who is.

adults die from dehydration, how much quicker do you think it would happen in a newborn?

The M.D. diagnosed the baby as being in distress. He was obligated and mandated to report the mother—which he should have done. It very well might be the action that saved the infant’s life.

All of this vegan, holisitc crap has gotten completely out of control.
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Feeding you child soy anything is child abuse. Period. It is not fit for human consumption.
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Soy = Monsanto = big lobby/bribe $ = Gov loves them.

They would never arrest a woman for feeding her baby soy, aspertame, high fructose corn syrup or antibiotic/hormone ridden meat with lax oversight of conditions it's raised in.

But a vegan diet? Criminal
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58787739


A lot of you need to educate yourselves. Certified organic soy is GMO FREE. Whole foods brand soy is certified organic, and they sell many GMO FREE soy products.

When people say 90% of soy products in the USA are GMO soy...just look at half of the processed crap you eat, it's f'ing everywhere from mayonnaise to ketchup to bbq sauce to frozen burritos, etc. This is why I have removed processed foods out of my diet by 99%.
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not only that, but a lot of the gmo soy and corn products are fed to the meat people eat. If you haven't looked at labels on vegan food, you really shouldn't be talking about the gmo aspect of things. Most vegan prepped food is organic, etc.

I'm not sure I understand the militant side to healthcare this woman is now going to be dealing with. The baby was only 12 days old. This was the best option they could come up with?

Did you know that most vegans are actually against what this mother did? They actually think the woman should have done what the doctor said to help her baby.

Did you know that many vegans are ok with breastfeeding?

No. Because you are caught up in your myths about what someone else thinks without even bothering to ask them.

(there's no way it could possibly be because of some other failure to thrive issue unrelated to veganism...I had a friend whose child had an issue like this but she wasn't vegan, nor was her child. So when failure to thrive happens because statistically, it will, anyone that happens to be a vegan parent feeding a vegan infant is going to get completely fuckin screwed!).

The tail end of this is that the baby was "dehydrated" and none of the articles say "malnourished"....did anyone pick up on that? That means she was probably using too much formula and too little water, or just not feeding the baby enough.

1) the doc might've had an issue against anyone being vegan, particularly an infant, and done this in jest just because he can.

2) there's not enough info

3) it makes all vegans look pretty bad when there's really nothing striking about this article (and other articles) other than the use of the word vegan.

4) no pictures of the baby, imo, no proof. This woman is the only one to be seen and she's not "skinny" by any means...
What is Poptartium #4? :scratching:
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Put a spork in it...It's fun?
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Feeding you child soy anything is child abuse. Period. It is not fit for human consumption.
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This is true. The baby should be breastfed if she is that into health. And she better be giving that baby supplements with b12 in it or the child's health will be ruined.
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The baby was 12 days old and losing weight and dehydrated. Vegan Mom or not the formula was not agreeing the newborn and sounds like she didn't give a hoot.
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If she isn't nursing the child(and there isn't any medical reason why she can't) then she doesn't care about the child.
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While I think a vegan diet is about the most unhealthy diet morans have yet to come up with, and is actually extremely detrimental to a growing child, I support this mother's right to control the diet, health care decisions, discipline, and education of her child...

It's a simple question of ideology...

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besides if she's that -all natural- why not breastfeed? Oh right, its milk so it must be bad .... Vegans ....yeahsure
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Some vegans are so extreme they will not breastfeed because it is milk being produced by a mammal, they only want a plant based fake milk.
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That is a mental illness.
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besides if she's that -all natural- why not breastfeed? Oh right, its milk so it must be bad .... Vegans ....yeahsure
 Quoting: Brussel Sprout

Some vegans are so extreme they will not breastfeed because it is milk being produced by a mammal, they only want a plant based fake milk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059510


That is a mental illness.
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jay

Yeah if she won't use formula (which I think is bad as well), then she damn well better be breast feeding or she is in fact malnourishing her child, and that would be grounds for the State to step in...

Of course as a side note, even if she IS breast feeding, as a vegan her body might not be able to produce enough milk for her child, so there's that as well.

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Did we ever have any rights when it came to our kids?

I realized when I was pregnant about 20 years ago that we didn't. The doctors and hospitals had the control. I was pregnant with twins so I couldn't even chose to have a mid wife. Hospitals policy's have to be taken, no chose.

When my mom had kids in the 50's they didn't have a choice either. No fathers in the delivery room and mother's were unconscious for delivery. Things changed somewhat in the 60's. Father's were allowed in in the 70's.

Maybe in the 50's it was still easier to have the chose to deliver your kids at home, but not many would really want to go that way.
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You have control. Just don't go to doctors and have the baby/s at home. Claim you didn't know you were pregnant. Many do. Monitor you own blood pressure, protein levels, sugar levels etc on your own. Tons of info on the net. If there are any problems you do have the choice to go the medical route. Anyway, there are ways to go about things if you really want to do things your own way.
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the amount of ignorance about being vegan is AMAZING. so many of you sound like total morons.

it's your guilt talking.
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"Soybeans contain goitrogens. . . . Soy is not the only goitrogenic food. Broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cassava, rapeseed, turnips, mustard, radish, peanuts, and millet also contain goitrogens. However, few adults-and even fewer children-eat these foods to excess. Furthermore, the goitrogens in most of these foods are easily neutralized by cooking or fermentation.

Soy foods are different. The principal goitrogens in soybeans are the estrogenic plant hormones known as isoflavones. The antinutrients known as saponins in soy may also be goitrogens. Cooking and processing methods, using heat, pressure, and alkaline solutions, will neither deactivate nor remove isoflavones or saponins. Only solvent extraction can do that. . . . America is plagued by an epidemic of thyroid problems."

Have fun with your SOY you effeminate freak. NWO got you good!
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1st off people in asia have been eating soy and they are just fine. also, who says you have to eat soy if you are a vegan?

more strawman bullshit from the weaklings with guilty consciences.
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Soy is not a staple in Asia. Only vegans think they can live on soy sans meat.
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When they eat soy it is fermented.
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"Soybeans contain goitrogens. . . . Soy is not the only goitrogenic food. Broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cassava, rapeseed, turnips, mustard, radish, peanuts, and millet also contain goitrogens. However, few adults-and even fewer children-eat these foods to excess. Furthermore, the goitrogens in most of these foods are easily neutralized by cooking or fermentation.

Soy foods are different. The principal goitrogens in soybeans are the estrogenic plant hormones known as isoflavones. The antinutrients known as saponins in soy may also be goitrogens. Cooking and processing methods, using heat, pressure, and alkaline solutions, will neither deactivate nor remove isoflavones or saponins. Only solvent extraction can do that. . . . America is plagued by an epidemic of thyroid problems."

Have fun with your SOY you effeminate freak. NWO got you good!
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1st off people in asia have been eating soy and they are just fine. also, who says you have to eat soy if you are a vegan?

more strawman bullshit from the weaklings with guilty consciences.
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Strawman? - This is totally relevant to the topic at hand. Stupid vegan mother feeding an infant child 100% soy formula. HMMMMM - whos the real strawman here?
 Quoting: KIT 48908174


yes it is because being vegan has nothing to do with soy. you can be a vegan and not eat soy. plus, for every study that says soy is bad, there is another that says its harmless. people in asia have been eating plenty of soy for a long time and they show no negative effects from it.
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It is fermented soy and they do not eat a lot of it.
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Dehydration in infants can kill within hours. Normally I'm for the rights of the parents to make medical decisions for their children. But this psycho vegan was willing to kill her child to prove to society that veganism is the right way. That's just plain insane! She should have been in an emergency room with that child consulting another doctor, not using her child as a human guinea pig.

In societies where soy was a large part of their diet, it was always fermented soy. Look it up, fermented soy is different from the crap they are feeding people.

A person feeding their child soy formula is giving that child the equivalent of 2 birth control pills a day in female sex hormones. ( And people wonder why so many people are acting weird or turning homosexual.) With the exception of the very rare child who can't stomach anything else, soy formula needs to be banned.\
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Agree. Soy formula has no place in an infants diet. Or anyone's diet.
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proven fact vegan diet would end world hunger immediately

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Proven fact: Every single hungry person subsisting on leaves and grass wants a cheeseburger.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


this attitude is so old and tired. there are plenty of really tasty vegan options. i havent eaten meat in 10 years and i never want a real burger. i am completely satisfied with a vegan burger.

try again, asshole!
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last time I heard someone say they were craving a thick, juicy vegan burger.........never.

they are among the most disgusting and tasteless things that "passes" for food.
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yup
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this should be pinned for discussion. But instead we have the "how do you wipe your ass" thred. LOL
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You think saying shit like this will get you a pin? Not gonna happen.
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Golly Mr. Moderator! Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

It's true, this was the pinned thread at the time of posting:

Thread: CALLING ALL MORANS: When you wipe, do you fold or ball your toilet paper/wet wipes?
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Good. Dumbshit vegans who try to feed their kids vegan are child abusers and should be executed.
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I'm not vegan and neither are my children, but NAZI much?
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If being against child abuse is Naziism, then yes. I am a Nazi, but that has nothing to do with my opinion on these jokers.
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Hitler was vegetarian
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Sorry...these kinds of stories really get me steamed


I have to walk away from thread now
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So funny. It's like two extremes, either you feed your child with big macs and other junk food or you feed them only vegetables. I have grown up on meat, dairy and vegetables. All humans have always eaten meat and dairy and have lived life very well. Now, some vegan nutjobs come in and say that you can be healthy only by eating vegetables... What? And that, it's better than to eat junk food. A regular person, who can handle junk food, meat and vegetables is better off than a person who eats only vegetables.

This debate is ridiculous. Healthy person is the one who eats all products in balanced portions.
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Everything in moderation.
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besides if she's that -all natural- why not breastfeed? Oh right, its milk so it must be bad .... Vegans ....yeahsure
 Quoting: Brussel Sprout

Some vegans are so extreme they will not breastfeed because it is milk being produced by a mammal, they only want a plant based fake milk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059510


That is a mental illness.
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:jay:

Yeah if she won't use formula (which I think is bad as well), then she damn well better be breast feeding or she is in fact malnourishing her child, and that would be grounds for the State to step in...

Of course as a side note, even if she IS breast feeding, as a vegan her body might not be able to produce enough milk for her child, so there's that as well.
 Quoting: Saddletramp


besides if she's that -all natural- why not breastfeed? Oh right, its milk so it must be bad .... Vegans ....yeahsure
 Quoting: Brussel Sprout

Some vegans are so extreme they will not breastfeed because it is milk being produced by a mammal, they only want a plant based fake milk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58059510


That is a mental illness.
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:jay:

Yeah if she won't use formula (which I think is bad as well), then she damn well better be breast feeding or she is in fact malnourishing her child, and that would be grounds for the State to step in...

Of course as a side note, even if she IS breast feeding, as a vegan her body might not be able to produce enough milk for her child, so there's that as well.
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not true

If she takes noni and moringa she will be ok.
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Wow, the projection here is incredible! Nowhere in the article does it say anything about breastfeeding or that the baby was 12 days old! Where did you get that?

Also it says that she didn't think the baby was dehydrated because the baby was having regular bowel movements.

The lack of said movements is a sign of dehydration.
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Good. Dumbshit vegans who try to feed their kids vegan are child abusers and should be executed.
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Hey asswipe, I was raised vegatarian, switched to vegan - never broke a bone, never in a hospital, never on a single medication except for an antibiotic as a precaution for a spider bite (and had an allergic reaction to the antibiotic). Over 50 can work outside farming/gardening from sun up till sundown - and if I get a cut or scrape - its healed the next day.

Learn about nutrition and what food is before you make such a stupid remark again.
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Good. Dumbshit vegans who try to feed their kids vegan are child abusers and should be executed.
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Hey asswipe, I was raised vegatarian, switched to vegan - never broke a bone, never in a hospital, never on a single medication except for an antibiotic as a precaution for a spider bite (and had an allergic reaction to the antibiotic). Over 50 can work outside farming/gardening from sun up till sundown - and if I get a cut or scrape - its healed the next day.

Learn about nutrition and what food is before you make such a stupid remark again.
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brucelee1 thats right

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