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For a guy that did not exist, he sure does get alot of press don't you think.
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Then who's body did we eat ?
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you didnt eat anything yet
if you did you would have met him and known what it was all about ,therefore,no kingdom for u buddy,or anyone that hasn't "eaten"
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Still, no Christian can refute my claim about Hare Krishna. The same Hare Krishna story is used in the bible to tell of the so called virgin birth. The problem with the Christian belief is, the Hare Krishna story predates the Jesus story by at least a thousand years. If you read both stories, the similarities are remarkable.

Even the ancient Jewish Kabbalah followers knew the Jesus story was mystical, not literal.
So, how can you believe in something that was NEVER meant to be taken literal? The whole Bible is an ancient Greek document, written by Greek mystics. All the characters were made up to tell a story, just like you do to explain something to someone to get them to understand you. The bible is an astrological book about spiritualism. The key to finding Creator Source is to unlock the Pineal gland. Jacob knew where Creator was. He even tells us in Gen:32:30 He called the place pineal, meaning the pineal gland.
Jesus was used in the story because his name has the numerical value of the SUN, not Son. Without the SUN, we would die. Figure it out. As I have stated, there is a creator, but not a Jesus. There is No one in Palestine to this day named, Jesus, Paul, Mary, John etc.. common sense will prevail.

All this belief about Jesus being real, is coming from people who belief in talking snakes and burning bushes.
If all of you Christians took the Bible literal, you should be plucking each others eyes out for sinning and chopping off each others hands. You can't pick the parts you want to follow and omit the ones you don't. You follow all literal, or none of it.
You probably believe in the fictitious hell too, but that is another story.
 Quoting: Tropical

Jesus suffer because of atoning for the human sin, can you explain this?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


First prove his existence, then we will discuss his astrological crucifixion.
 Quoting: Tropical


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"...Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically..."

Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
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As expected, OP, not a single element of proof, not a shred of evidence for the existence of Jesus.

Jesus is Santa Claus for adults (I don't say grown-ups).

God is real but you won't find him through man-made religions.
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Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?


You have nailed it. Also, I am not religious, I am spiritual. I am a Mystic.
Definition of a Mystic: A person who seeks by contemplation and self-surrender to obtain unity with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or who believes in the spiritual apprehension of truths that are beyond the intellect.
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Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
 Quoting: Tropical


You have nailed it. Also, I am not religious, I am spiritual. I am a Mystic.
Definition of a Mystic: A person who seeks by contemplation and self-surrender to obtain unity with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or who believes in the spiritual apprehension of truths that are beyond the intellect.


You believe that you are more than body , but it isn't religion, why you don't write the name of your god? Don't be shame. Some people are just writing ave Satan , but you are trying to suggest that you are better, why?
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As expected, OP, not a single element of proof, not a shred of evidence for the existence of Jesus.

Jesus is Santa Claus for adults (I don't say grown-ups).

God is real but you won't find him through man-made religions.
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You are liar, with bad intentions.
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Still, no Christian can refute my claim about Hare Krishna. The same Hare Krishna story is used in the bible to tell of the so called virgin birth. The problem with the Christian belief is, the Hare Krishna story predates the Jesus story by at least a thousand years. If you read both stories, the similarities are remarkable.

Even the ancient Jewish Kabbalah followers knew the Jesus story was mystical, not literal.
So, how can you believe in something that was NEVER meant to be taken literal? The whole Bible is an ancient Greek document, written by Greek mystics. All the characters were made up to tell a story, just like you do to explain something to someone to get them to understand you. The bible is an astrological book about spiritualism. The key to finding Creator Source is to unlock the Pineal gland. Jacob knew where Creator was. He even tells us in Gen:32:30 He called the place pineal, meaning the pineal gland.
Jesus was used in the story because his name has the numerical value of the SUN, not Son. Without the SUN, we would die. Figure it out. As I have stated, there is a creator, but not a Jesus. There is No one in Palestine to this day named, Jesus, Paul, Mary, John etc.. common sense will prevail.

All this belief about Jesus being real, is coming from people who belief in talking snakes and burning bushes.
If all of you Christians took the Bible literal, you should be plucking each others eyes out for sinning and chopping off each others hands. You can't pick the parts you want to follow and omit the ones you don't. You follow all literal, or none of it.
You probably believe in the fictitious hell too, but that is another story.
 Quoting: Tropical

Jesus suffer because of atoning for the human sin, can you explain this?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


First prove his existence, then we will discuss his astrological crucifixion.
 Quoting: Tropical


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"...Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically..."

Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


What they meant to say is that 7 out of 7 christian bible scholars, when asked, said jesus existed. Usual quote mining BS.

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Jesus suffer because of atoning for the human sin, can you explain this?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


First prove his existence, then we will discuss his astrological crucifixion.
 Quoting: Tropical


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"...Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically..."

Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


What they meant to say is that 7 out of 7 christian bible scholars, when asked, said jesus existed. Usual quote mining BS.
 Quoting: Cavaignac


You are liar, not just mistaken, and have problem orthography Jesus we are writing starting from capital letter.
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I am in no way suggesting I am better than anyone. I know my character has faults and it is a life long process to fix it for anyone. I am suggesting that there is no Jesus, only Prime Creator. No one can prove otherwise. I have been studying this subject longer than most of you have been alive.
The only reason people believe in Jesus is, they were taught to think a certain way growing up and that way was passed down from generation to generation. Once a story is told enough times, it becomes believable for most.

If there is a Jesus, why aren't any televangelists or people who claim to be close to him, doing any of the so called greater things than he did? The whole time I was growing up going to church I never saw a single so called man of God, do any great miracles. I never saw anyone stop a tornado or hurricane from pummeling a home or coastline. I never saw anyone raise the dead, heal a broken limb, make a short limb grow out or any so called greater than he miracles. It just doesn't happen. What person with common sense believes a snake can talk, a person can be brought back to life, a bush can burn and not go out. Once people realize these are all metaphor's, they will get it.
If I tell you the story about the big bad wolf for a thousand years, eventually it will become a way of life and the truth, not just a story anymore.
Just remember this, all religion is a form of slavery.
Why should you have to conform to something that leaves you with no freedoms. there is supposed to be one Jesus, but every church and every religion has it's own rules to follow. These are the ones they pick out of their Bible that please them. they ignore the ones they can not conform to. How hypocritical of them.
Like I have stated, if you want to follow Jesus literally, you should all be blind by now from plucking each others eyes out and limbless from chopping off each others arms from sinning. You can't do a partial interpretation. It's all or nothing. Did not your Jesus say, you can't be lukewarm? You are either for me or against me?
So, please do not defend something you are not doing yourself.

BTW, the Bible is so contradictory, I don't see how anyone with common sense could follow it literally. The gospels alone are confusing in nature, by the different accounts of the same event.

Number of women at the tomb:
- Matthew – 2
- Mark – 3
- Luke – 5
- John – 1

Time of visit to the tomb:
- Matthew – Dawn
- Mark – Sun had risen
- Luke – Dawn
- John – Still dark

Messengers at the tomb:
- Matthew – One angel
- Mark – Men
- Luke – Men
- John – Two angels

Location of the messengers relative to the tomb:
- Matthew – Outside then inside
- Mark – Inside
- Luke – Inside
- John – Inside

Woman/women's encounter with Jesus:
- Matthew – Held Christ
- Mark – Nothing
- Luke – Nothing
- John – Told not to touch Christ

Whom the woman/women told:
- Matthew – Disciples
- Mark – No one
- Luke – Disciples and others
- John – Only Mary Magdalene told the disciples

Location of the appearance to the disciples:
- Matthew – Galilee
- Mark – Jerusalem
- Luke – Jerusalem
- John – Jerusalem
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Right. And I have thousands of little purple butterflies pouring out of my bunghole right now!

Do you BELIEVE in the multiverse theory of cosmology?
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First prove his existence, then we will discuss his astrological crucifixion.
 Quoting: Tropical


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"...Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically..."

Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


What they meant to say is that 7 out of 7 christian bible scholars, when asked, said jesus existed. Usual quote mining BS.
 Quoting: Cavaignac


You are liar, not just mistaken, and have problem orthography Jesus we are writing starting from capital letter.
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


Read the source on your own link asshat
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Right. And I have thousands of little purple butterflies pouring out of my bunghole right now!

Do you BELIEVE in the multiverse theory of cosmology?
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See what I mean? Instead of proof, I get slander.
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I am in no way suggesting I am better than anyone. I know my character has faults and it is a life long process to fix it for anyone. I am suggesting that there is no Jesus, only Prime Creator. No one can prove otherwise. I have been studying this subject longer than most of you have been alive.
The only reason people believe in Jesus is, they were taught to think a certain way growing up and that way was passed down from generation to generation. Once a story is told enough times, it becomes believable for most.

If there is a Jesus, why aren't any televangelists or people who claim to be close to him, doing any of the so called greater things than he did? The whole time I was growing up going to church I never saw a single so called man of God, do any great miracles. I never saw anyone stop a tornado or hurricane from pummeling a home or coastline. I never saw anyone raise the dead, heal a broken limb, make a short limb grow out or any so called greater than he miracles. It just doesn't happen. What person with common sense believes a snake can talk, a person can be brought back to life, a bush can burn and not go out. Once people realize these are all metaphor's, they will get it.
If I tell you the story about the big bad wolf for a thousand years, eventually it will become a way of life and the truth, not just a story anymore.
Just remember this, all religion is a form of slavery.
Why should you have to conform to something that leaves you with no freedoms. there is supposed to be one Jesus, but every church and every religion has it's own rules to follow. These are the ones they pick out of their Bible that please them. they ignore the ones they can not conform to. How hypocritical of them.
Like I have stated, if you want to follow Jesus literally, you should all be blind by now from plucking each others eyes out and limbless from chopping off each others arms from sinning. You can't do a partial interpretation. It's all or nothing. Did not your Jesus say, you can't be lukewarm? You are either for me or against me?
So, please do not defend something you are not doing yourself.

BTW, the Bible is so contradictory, I don't see how anyone with common sense could follow it literally. The gospels alone are confusing in nature, by the different accounts of the same event.

Number of women at the tomb:
- Matthew – 2
- Mark – 3
- Luke – 5
- John – 1

Time of visit to the tomb:
- Matthew – Dawn
- Mark – Sun had risen
- Luke – Dawn
- John – Still dark

Messengers at the tomb:
- Matthew – One angel
- Mark – Men
- Luke – Men
- John – Two angels

Location of the messengers relative to the tomb:
- Matthew – Outside then inside
- Mark – Inside
- Luke – Inside
- John – Inside

Woman/women's encounter with Jesus:
- Matthew – Held Christ
- Mark – Nothing
- Luke – Nothing
- John – Told not to touch Christ

Whom the woman/women told:
- Matthew – Disciples
- Mark – No one
- Luke – Disciples and others
- John – Only Mary Magdalene told the disciples

Location of the appearance to the disciples:
- Matthew – Galilee
- Mark – Jerusalem
- Luke – Jerusalem
- John – Jerusalem
 Quoting: Tropical


I strongly doubt your words, maybe you should start to listen other people than you.

Josephus Flavius is a great historian who was NOT a Christian and he wrote about Jesus in the first century A.D.
 Quoting: A Friend
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I think the only area of debate for historians of that period is whether the Jesus story was put together by picking certain extant texts or whether the Romans with their Greek scribes wrote the whole thing themselves or a mixture of selective editing and recreation. There was no concept of plagerism being wrong at the time, creating texts by cut and paste was normal in a mostly oral teaching age...most of the NagHamadi and other texts were known by name already because medieval Christian theologians were arguing against them... imagine what we'd have if the Gospel of Judas was included. Of course it wouldn't have been, it's a too sophisticated view of Jesus.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"...Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically..."

Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


What they meant to say is that 7 out of 7 christian bible scholars, when asked, said jesus existed. Usual quote mining BS.
 Quoting: Cavaignac


You are liar, not just mistaken, and have problem orthography Jesus we are writing starting from capital letter.
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


Read the source on your own link asshat
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You have skipped something.
btw. You "atheists" are trying to present you as sensitive intellectuals, but very often it's just some kind of hypocrisy.
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What they meant to say is that 7 out of 7 christian bible scholars, when asked, said jesus existed. Usual quote mining BS.
 Quoting: Cavaignac


You are liar, not just mistaken, and have problem orthography Jesus we are writing starting from capital letter.
 Quoting: Darius 59967287


Read the source on your own link asshat
 Quoting: Cavaignac

You have skipped something.
btw. You "atheists" are trying to present you as sensitive intellectuals, but very often it's just some kind of hypocrisy.
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See, more slander. I NEVER said I was atheist. I believe in a Prime Creator.
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Do you suggest "The Matrix" theory? Humanity errs and you are one of a few really conscious?
What religion do you believe?
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You have nailed it. Also, I am not religious, I am spiritual. I am a Mystic.
Definition of a Mystic: A person who seeks by contemplation and self-surrender to obtain unity with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or who believes in the spiritual apprehension of truths that are beyond the intellect.


I believe in freedom.

I believe that in the days before civilization, before organized religion, towns, cities, governments, we humans were infinitely more capable and infinitely more productive then we are today.

I believe that Science and Religion are tools to keep us from the ultimate answers, which lie within us, waiting to be rediscovered so we can who we once were and who we might one day again become.
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you have the right to not believe in Jesus
free will baby
good luck with that
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you have the right to not believe in Jesus
free will baby
good luck with that
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No such thing as free will, but that is another story also.
If Prime Creator knows everything you are going to do before you do it, how can you have freewill?
If we have total and complete free will, that would mean that all thoughts and actions would occur without outside influence are direction of any kind, right? Free will does not actually and literally mean that one can make choices, create, change his mind, or reformulate ideas and data, etc., but that those choices and thought processes must themselves be free thoughts and free choices. "Free will" is only true if our choices are also free. But free from what? Why, free from being forced upon us against our will, or free from being caused by anyone or anything except our OWN will. And so, yes, man can think, process data, make choices, change his choices, etc. But none of these activities are free from internal or external CAUSES.
That man has a will, there is no debate. It is the teaching that man himself determines his own will, FREELY, without anything causing his will or his choices to be what they are.
The idea of free will or free moral agency is that man can by himself unaided by anything else, originate his own choices of his will.
If man possessed a will that is free from internal or external causality, then it would be possible for all humanity to decide to choose good, or all humanity could decide to choose evil and all would be lost. Or part of humanity could choose one way and part the other. It is the latter that is believed and taught.
If a person is raised to reap the benefits of welfare or in poverty why doesn't he/she choose to be better? They could of their own supposedly free will, choose to be rich, right? If a person is raised wealthy, why do they not choose to be poor?

Everything has a cause. Human actions, choices and decisions have a cause. If something has a cause, a specific effect will inevitably follow. If you are part of an inexorable chain of cause and effect, at what point can you make a free choice? According to the philosophical position known as determinism, there is no such point. Hence you have no free will.

According to the contrary position - indeterminism - some human actions, choices and decisions, do not have a cause and hence are free. But if an action is uncaused i.e. there is no reason for it, then it is random, purposeless and pointless. Hence there is free will, but it is contrary to the cause and effect evident all around us, and it results in uncaused, random behavior. And that is not what anyone realistically means by free will.
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Hi OP,

Haven't read the entire thread, but you are absolutely correct!

Anyone thinking the "Gospels" are historically accurate NEEDS to visit [link to caesarsmessiah.com] . And view the film or read the book. VERY damning evidence that the Gospels were complete fiction!

REALLY EXCELLENT RESEARCH WAS DONE TO SUPPORT THIS VIEW!!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
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Apollonius of tyana. Apollonius of Tyana. Apollonius of tyana. The greatest Philosopher Sage of the 1st century is christ.
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I use to pray for a sound mind. Now I'm ex Catholic, ex christain.
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For a guy that did not exist, he sure does get alot of press don't you think.
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Paul was a great promoter.
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The following are exerts from an article. I found it easier to post them , than try to explain to the sheeple Christians. If any Christian can prove me wrong without just saying, "it's in the bible" I will listen. Otherwise, do your homework, then see me. There is a lot more to the article, but this should get you thinking.

The Jesus as we know him, the Jesus of Christianity definitely did not exist. It is possible that there was no historical Jesus at all. No historians of the first century mention Jesus, despite there being authors who write (at length) about Jewish concerns. There are no Roman records that mention Jesus1. Not only all that, but, there are no Christian eye-witnesses of Jesus. All of the Gospels are anonymous and written by friends-of-friends, and none are written in the first person; also, Paul (who authored 13 of the 27 books of the NT) never met Jesus, except in a vision2. They're also written in very competent Greek (the language of later converts), rather than in Hebrew (the language of the original converts, excepting Paul). Early Christians didn't know when Jesus was born (his birthdate wasn't decided for hundreds of years, in 354CE)3 and didn't know where he was buried. People have doubted his existence since the very first century, and, despite the popularity of Christianity, there is a modern resurgence of people who disbelieve in the very existence of Jesus today. The biggest problem facing such unbelievers is accounting for early Christianity. But there are multiple theories as to how Christianity may have arisen without a historical saviour. For example, it is quite possible, given the similarities of Jesus to previous saviour religions and pagan stories about god-men, that the entire story of Jesus is a rewrite, with Jewish undertones, of Roman and pagan myths that were current at the beginning of the first century.

One of the striking and, to many people, surprising facts about the first century is that we don't have any Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.7 [...] But as with the vast majority of all persons who lived and died in the first century, he does not appear in the records of the Roman people.
 Quoting: Tropical


It simply doesn't matter whether you think Jesus existed or not. I won't argue this point with you, because it is possible.

But what you fail to render, or what you fail to provide, is another, or a better alternative to the message that Christ provides humanity.

His message does exist. Truth, love, forgiveness and peace.

How can you, or why would you want to dispute that?
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The following are exerts from an article. I found it easier to post them , than try to explain to the sheeple Christians. If any Christian can prove me wrong without just saying, "it's in the bible" I will listen. Otherwise, do your homework, then see me. There is a lot more to the article, but this should get you thinking.

The Jesus as we know him, the Jesus of Christianity definitely did not exist. It is possible that there was no historical Jesus at all. No historians of the first century mention Jesus, despite there being authors who write (at length) about Jewish concerns. There are no Roman records that mention Jesus1. Not only all that, but, there are no Christian eye-witnesses of Jesus. All of the Gospels are anonymous and written by friends-of-friends, and none are written in the first person; also, Paul (who authored 13 of the 27 books of the NT) never met Jesus, except in a vision2. They're also written in very competent Greek (the language of later converts), rather than in Hebrew (the language of the original converts, excepting Paul). Early Christians didn't know when Jesus was born (his birthdate wasn't decided for hundreds of years, in 354CE)3 and didn't know where he was buried. People have doubted his existence since the very first century, and, despite the popularity of Christianity, there is a modern resurgence of people who disbelieve in the very existence of Jesus today. The biggest problem facing such unbelievers is accounting for early Christianity. But there are multiple theories as to how Christianity may have arisen without a historical saviour. For example, it is quite possible, given the similarities of Jesus to previous saviour religions and pagan stories about god-men, that the entire story of Jesus is a rewrite, with Jewish undertones, of Roman and pagan myths that were current at the beginning of the first century.

One of the striking and, to many people, surprising facts about the first century is that we don't have any Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.7 [...] But as with the vast majority of all persons who lived and died in the first century, he does not appear in the records of the Roman people.
 Quoting: Tropical


It simply doesn't matter whether you think Jesus existed or not. I won't argue this point with you, because it is possible.

But what you fail to render, or what you fail to provide, is another, or a better alternative to the message that Christ provides humanity.

His message does exist. Truth, love, forgiveness and peace.

How can you, or why would you want to dispute that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50287210


I don't dispute the message, only the messengers existence. You can find all of these traits, if you activate the pineal gland. This has been my point.
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Could Christ have performed His works of redemption if He had come to earth in the form of a pea?
Duns Scotius

Or a person with no historical record, its up to Him.
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Re: Jesus Never Existed
don't believe what people tell you. believe what you have experienced
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07/08/2014 01:40 PM
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Re: Jesus Never Existed
The following are exerts from an article. I found it easier to post them , than try to explain to the sheeple Christians. If any Christian can prove me wrong without just saying, "it's in the bible" I will listen. Otherwise, do your homework, then see me. There is a lot more to the article, but this should get you thinking.

The Jesus as we know him, the Jesus of Christianity definitely did not exist. It is possible that there was no historical Jesus at all. No historians of the first century mention Jesus, despite there being authors who write (at length) about Jewish concerns. There are no Roman records that mention Jesus1. Not only all that, but, there are no Christian eye-witnesses of Jesus. All of the Gospels are anonymous and written by friends-of-friends, and none are written in the first person; also, Paul (who authored 13 of the 27 books of the NT) never met Jesus, except in a vision2. They're also written in very competent Greek (the language of later converts), rather than in Hebrew (the language of the original converts, excepting Paul). Early Christians didn't know when Jesus was born (his birthdate wasn't decided for hundreds of years, in 354CE)3 and didn't know where he was buried. People have doubted his existence since the very first century, and, despite the popularity of Christianity, there is a modern resurgence of people who disbelieve in the very existence of Jesus today. The biggest problem facing such unbelievers is accounting for early Christianity. But there are multiple theories as to how Christianity may have arisen without a historical saviour. For example, it is quite possible, given the similarities of Jesus to previous saviour religions and pagan stories about god-men, that the entire story of Jesus is a rewrite, with Jewish undertones, of Roman and pagan myths that were current at the beginning of the first century.

One of the striking and, to many people, surprising facts about the first century is that we don't have any Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.7 [...] But as with the vast majority of all persons who lived and died in the first century, he does not appear in the records of the Roman people.
 Quoting: Tropical


It simply doesn't matter whether you think Jesus existed or not. I won't argue this point with you, because it is possible.

But what you fail to render, or what you fail to provide, is another, or a better alternative to the message that Christ provides humanity.

His message does exist. Truth, love, forgiveness and peace.

How can you, or why would you want to dispute that?
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I don't dispute the message, only the messengers existence. You can find all of these traits, if you activate the pineal gland. This has been my point.
 Quoting: Tropical


Well ur (Point )is pretty stupid.. You dnt plz God and ur not getting into new Jerusalem without believing and being baptized

Without Jesus u can do nothing ! And that's jus that !


Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:4-6 KJV)
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07/08/2014 01:44 PM
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Re: Jesus Never Existed
Jesus is an acronym that simply means "out of two gods"





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