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Today is the 69th Anniversary of Roswell

 
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I'm sure some great ways to create energy was back engineered from the crashed disc, but that info has not made it's way into the mainstream.

I also wonder if the tech obtained has lead to a space program we don't really know much about. Some have speculated that due to the recovery of the disc at Roswell and other recoveries that we have been able to create crafts that can easily get to Mars etc.

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All such good info!! Thank you Kai!! hf
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No problem. Glad people can find it all in one place.

I think I'm going to start doing UFO history threads. Pick all of the best cases and incidents throughout history and go into as much detail as possible while sticking only to the facts.
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bump.. Next one maybe the battle over LA… it concerned the Craft of Michael of Nebadon…
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false. There is no michael of Nebadon nor any "craft"
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thanks dear 698 chaser of me.. for the bump…..hf

Some of you might wish to read PJ #3 Here.. which includes the story about EBE who was a "plant" being…

[link to www.freewebs.com]
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And some of the GLPers might wish to read about your OITC scam: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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I have NO OITC Scam…I am not part of the organization. . There was a very dark person within the organization close to Dr. Ray Dam who was scamming some folks and both Dr. Dam and that person are out of power. ….The peoples of the world selected a new chairman who is NOT corruptible.

Your post is venomous Hydra… you know not of what you speak. the organization was infected by the CIA.
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Don't the OITC claim to be an international institution registered under UN Charter Control No: 10-60847? [link to www.unoitc.org]

Isn't it funny that the UN denies these claims?
Isn't it funny that the UN emphatically denies that there is no such thing as a "UN Charter Control Number"?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And isn't it funny that the spokesman/representative of the OITC posts all of his "wisdom" exclusively on your Abandoned & Hopeless website?

Of course you are not involved in the OITC scam. /sarcasm

.
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bump
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OP I would love to read a thread from you regarding the Roswell post events, what happened with the remains, etc.
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OP I would love to read a thread from you regarding the Roswell post events, what happened with the remains, etc.
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I'll get on it. That will be my next thread.
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I remember watching a black and white TV show in the early 1950's about the subject of space critters. I remember there was a story of a family who raised one that survived a crash.
the photo was messed with abd gave a bat like winged character which was clearly just a cover image for the real creature.
what happen to those old LA tv shows?


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from the above link….. a small section of commentary… by the Michael of Nebadon in his incarnation as HATONN… the MIchael was JESUS.


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that is completely false
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same linky as above.. same day, same author.

CRASH DETAILS

Let us return to the beings of Aztec, New Mexico. The stories get more insane with each telling, it seems--how about a little truth to shed some light on the happenings.

Between the first of your year 1947 and the end of your year 1952 (and here I shall use published figures--all erroneous) at least sixteen crashed or downed alien craft, sixty- five alien bodies, and one live alien were recovered.

An additional alien craft had exploded and nothing was recovered from that incident. Of those incidents, thirteen are reported to have occurred within the borders of the United States not including the craft which disintegrated in the air. Of these thirteen, one was in Arizona, eleven were in New Mexico and one was in Nevada. Three occurred in foreign countries. Of those, one was in Norway, and the last two were in Mexico. Sightings of UFO's were so numerous that serious investigation and debunking of each report became impossible utilizing the existing intelligence assets.

Let us look at these published figures a bit more closely. Does it not seem strange that only three of said sixteen crashes occurred in foreign countries and two of those in Mexico? Could it be that other countries are not quite so hostile to visitors? How do you think there would be eleven in New Mexico?

Could it be the visitors were being lured into secret bases and then fired upon and downed? ON OCTOBER 29, 1987 YOUR GOVERNMENT FIRED A HEAT SEEKING MISSILE AT MY OWN SHIP ABOVE VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE IN CALIFORNIA -- AFTER ATTEMPTING TO FIRE A NUCLEAR WARHEAD INTO "OUR" SPACE.


On August 17, 1987, five Pleiades craft were crash landed; one reported in Yucca Flats and later claimed to be a "stealth" crash-yet it was also claimed the "stealth" was still in prototype. One was crashed in Virginia and one in Texas. Both of the latter were
-- PJ 3-- pag. 16
reported and covered-up. The one in Texas, however, made it both to KPRC and KTRH and both Houston major papers. The remaining two have not been publicly reported and I shall avoid discussion of them.

Of the craft that was crashed in Yucca Flats, there were five crew aboard. Three were apparently dead; two have body vital signs and are now in Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. This information has been verified by a group out of Edwards Air Force Base (no longer assigned in that area) and one officer from Nellis Field--pleading anonymity, verified same in New York.

What is at Edwards Air Force Base would boggle the minds of the public.

These were shuttle craft from MY COMMAND, therefore I have my facts correct, Ma'am. There was also a "crash" out of Bakersfield, California in 1986 which was also projected as a "stealth". Does it strike anyone as strange that you crash the first five of five stealth planes while they are still on the drawing board? What expense is one of your stealth bombers? Half a billion dollars? My, my--oh I see, perhaps "stealth" fighters. Why do you need Stealth bombers and fighter planes when the war is going to be fought with missiles and nuclear bombs from missiles?

Could it be anything like your year 1957 when your Army was assigned the task of forming a super secret organization to furnish security for all alien tasked projects? The first of such organization became the National Reconnaissance Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. The specific teams trained to secure the projects were called Delta.

A second project code named SNOWBIRD was promulgated to explain away any sightings of the REDLIGHT (alien) crafts as being Air Force experiments.

The SNOWBIRD (as I said, your government loves cute code names) crafts were manufactured using conventional technology and were flown for the press on several occasions. Very "different" in appearance. Project SNOWBIRD was also used to debunk legitimate public sightings of alien craft (UFO's). Project SNOWBIRD was most successful and reports from the public declined steadily--that is, until recently and currently. Thus enters your "stealth" toys. What do you think "really" goes on at your Pine Gap, Australia installation? Have you ones slept a bit too long perhaps?

Let me finish the story of New Mexico and the crash of our beloved brothers who are able to live in high concentrations of carbon dioxide. They came for two reasons. Firstly, they thought they might be of help in assisting you to meet needs in order for your species to survive as your "greenhouse" effect worsens. Secondly, if you could not survive, they could--beautifully. Therefore, a planet would not be wasted. But they came to you in peace and wondrous love.

They were lured in, brought down and attacked. The beings were flamed to incineration with the exception of three in the second or third "crash" that were kept for informational hostages. More disrespectful was that the stories were then projected that there were body parts of humans stashed aboard, such as reproductive organs, anus, sex organs and other cute things that only would interest Earth humankind and
-- PJ 3 -- pag. 17
strike terror into the hearts of the populace.

A funny thing happened though. After removing all working equipment from the craft the interior was burned to a cinder to the point that it was claimed nothing could be salvaged. How so, then, could you produce these readily recognizable body parts such as a human anus after a fire which charred the alien bodies to their very skeletal system? Do you humans, as a group, ever open your eyes and question anything? Are you drugged beyond recovery?
 Quoting: Abinadi


None of this can be considered factual. At best it is anecdotal. At worst it is spurious.
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same linky as above.. same day, same author.

CRASH DETAILS

Let us return to the beings of Aztec, New Mexico. The stories get more insane with each telling, it seems--how about a little truth to shed some light on the happenings.

Between the first of your year 1947 and the end of your year 1952 (and here I shall use published figures--all erroneous) at least sixteen crashed or downed alien craft, sixty- five alien bodies, and one live alien were recovered.

An additional alien craft had exploded and nothing was recovered from that incident. Of those incidents, thirteen are reported to have occurred within the borders of the United States not including the craft which disintegrated in the air. Of these thirteen, one was in Arizona, eleven were in New Mexico and one was in Nevada. Three occurred in foreign countries. Of those, one was in Norway, and the last two were in Mexico. Sightings of UFO's were so numerous that serious investigation and debunking of each report became impossible utilizing the existing intelligence assets.

Let us look at these published figures a bit more closely. Does it not seem strange that only three of said sixteen crashes occurred in foreign countries and two of those in Mexico? Could it be that other countries are not quite so hostile to visitors? How do you think there would be eleven in New Mexico?

Could it be the visitors were being lured into secret bases and then fired upon and downed? ON OCTOBER 29, 1987 YOUR GOVERNMENT FIRED A HEAT SEEKING MISSILE AT MY OWN SHIP ABOVE VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE IN CALIFORNIA -- AFTER ATTEMPTING TO FIRE A NUCLEAR WARHEAD INTO "OUR" SPACE.


On August 17, 1987, five Pleiades craft were crash landed; one reported in Yucca Flats and later claimed to be a "stealth" crash-yet it was also claimed the "stealth" was still in prototype. One was crashed in Virginia and one in Texas. Both of the latter were
-- PJ 3-- pag. 16
reported and covered-up. The one in Texas, however, made it both to KPRC and KTRH and both Houston major papers. The remaining two have not been publicly reported and I shall avoid discussion of them.

Of the craft that was crashed in Yucca Flats, there were five crew aboard. Three were apparently dead; two have body vital signs and are now in Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. This information has been verified by a group out of Edwards Air Force Base (no longer assigned in that area) and one officer from Nellis Field--pleading anonymity, verified same in New York.

What is at Edwards Air Force Base would boggle the minds of the public.

These were shuttle craft from MY COMMAND, therefore I have my facts correct, Ma'am. There was also a "crash" out of Bakersfield, California in 1986 which was also projected as a "stealth". Does it strike anyone as strange that you crash the first five of five stealth planes while they are still on the drawing board? What expense is one of your stealth bombers? Half a billion dollars? My, my--oh I see, perhaps "stealth" fighters. Why do you need Stealth bombers and fighter planes when the war is going to be fought with missiles and nuclear bombs from missiles?

Could it be anything like your year 1957 when your Army was assigned the task of forming a super secret organization to furnish security for all alien tasked projects? The first of such organization became the National Reconnaissance Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. The specific teams trained to secure the projects were called Delta.

A second project code named SNOWBIRD was promulgated to explain away any sightings of the REDLIGHT (alien) crafts as being Air Force experiments.

The SNOWBIRD (as I said, your government loves cute code names) crafts were manufactured using conventional technology and were flown for the press on several occasions. Very "different" in appearance. Project SNOWBIRD was also used to debunk legitimate public sightings of alien craft (UFO's). Project SNOWBIRD was most successful and reports from the public declined steadily--that is, until recently and currently. Thus enters your "stealth" toys. What do you think "really" goes on at your Pine Gap, Australia installation? Have you ones slept a bit too long perhaps?

Let me finish the story of New Mexico and the crash of our beloved brothers who are able to live in high concentrations of carbon dioxide. They came for two reasons. Firstly, they thought they might be of help in assisting you to meet needs in order for your species to survive as your "greenhouse" effect worsens. Secondly, if you could not survive, they could--beautifully. Therefore, a planet would not be wasted. But they came to you in peace and wondrous love.

They were lured in, brought down and attacked. The beings were flamed to incineration with the exception of three in the second or third "crash" that were kept for informational hostages. More disrespectful was that the stories were then projected that there were body parts of humans stashed aboard, such as reproductive organs, anus, sex organs and other cute things that only would interest Earth humankind and
-- PJ 3 -- pag. 17
strike terror into the hearts of the populace.

A funny thing happened though. After removing all working equipment from the craft the interior was burned to a cinder to the point that it was claimed nothing could be salvaged. How so, then, could you produce these readily recognizable body parts such as a human anus after a fire which charred the alien bodies to their very skeletal system? Do you humans, as a group, ever open your eyes and question anything? Are you drugged beyond recovery?
 Quoting: Abinadi


None of this can be considered factual. At best it is anecdotal. At worst it is spurious.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


This is actually the WHAT HAPPENED OP.. remove it if you wish….. Its your thread. It was observed by God himself and his angels…. and is not anecdotal…. God does not write trash.. and I hope in a later thread you WILL report on the Battle of LA because the Craft involved in that is the Craft of this individual who wrote what I posted. And he has some written material also on the Battle of LA in the same journals and elsewhere I think.

I was hoping some here would take an interest….as the entire journal is fascinating and there is not anecdotal about it.
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I most definitely will do a thread on the events in LA. I am simply trying to focus here on verifiable, documented and historical facts. I leave belief in higher powers out of it.

Cheers.
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And some of the GLPers might wish to read about your OITC scam: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

.
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I have NO OITC Scam…I am not part of the organization. . There was a very dark person within the organization close to Dr. Ray Dam who was scamming some folks and both Dr. Dam and that person are out of power. ….The peoples of the world selected a new chairman who is NOT corruptible.

Your post is venomous Hydra… you know not of what you speak. the organization was infected by the CIA.
 Quoting: Abinadi

Don't the OITC claim to be an international institution registered under UN Charter Control No: 10-60847? [link to www.unoitc.org]

Isn't it funny that the UN denies these claims?
Isn't it funny that the UN emphatically denies that there is no such thing as a "UN Charter Control Number"?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And isn't it funny that the spokesman/representative of the OITC posts all of his "wisdom" exclusively on your Abandoned & Hopeless website?

Of course you are not involved in the OITC scam. /sarcasm

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Hydra this is NOT YOUR BUSINESS IN THIS THREAD Take it elsewhere I know people who are registered with the UN under the organization and who went thru the registration process. You are posting SHIT to turn people away from here and I as I said.. IT VENOM. Nothing more, nothing less.. Not one true word and you have no way of knowing.. this is an attack I know HOW the monetary processes are done in this world. Give it up. There are genuinely few people who can get info out of the UN and I don't think you are one of them I know somebody however who did and got OITC approval and its not David Crayford..
 Quoting: Abinadi


You sure know "HOW the monetary processes are done in this world" - you proved it with your NESERA scam: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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I see, you edited your post. - Sad for you, I could get your original post.

Oh, and lying again:
This is my last post.. I will not let the thread go into corruption over ME.. IT belongs to the OP.
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I have NO OITC Scam…I am not part of the organization. . There was a very dark person within the organization close to Dr. Ray Dam who was scamming some folks and both Dr. Dam and that person are out of power. ….The peoples of the world selected a new chairman who is NOT corruptible.

Your post is venomous Hydra… you know not of what you speak. the organization was infected by the CIA.
 Quoting: Abinadi

Don't the OITC claim to be an international institution registered under UN Charter Control No: 10-60847? [link to www.unoitc.org]

Isn't it funny that the UN denies these claims?
Isn't it funny that the UN emphatically denies that there is no such thing as a "UN Charter Control Number"?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And isn't it funny that the spokesman/representative of the OITC posts all of his "wisdom" exclusively on your Abandoned & Hopeless website?

Of course you are not involved in the OITC scam. /sarcasm

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Hydra this is NOT YOUR BUSINESS IN THIS THREAD Take it elsewhere I know people who are registered with the UN under the organization and who went thru the registration process. You are posting SHIT to turn people away from here and I as I said.. IT VENOM. Nothing more, nothing less.. Not one true word and you have no way of knowing.. this is an attack I know HOW the monetary processes are done in this world. Give it up. There are genuinely few people who can get info out of the UN and I don't think you are one of them I know somebody however who did and got OITC approval and its not David Crayford..
 Quoting: Abinadi


You sure know "HOW the monetary processes are done in this world" - you proved it with your NESERA scam: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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PS
I see, you edited your post. - Sad for you, I could get your original post.

Oh, and lying again:
This is my last post.. I will not let the thread go into corruption over ME.. IT belongs to the OP.
 Quoting: Abinadi


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 Quoting: Hydra


tell us all about it Hydra
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James Vincent Forrestal (February 15, 1892 – May 22, 1949) was the last Cabinet-level United States Secretary of the Navy and the first United States Secretary of Defense.



In office
September 17, 1947 – March 28, 1949

<Forrestal, also a member of the original
Majestic 12 or MJ-12.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
alleged to have been the code name of a secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials, formed in 1947 by an executive order by U.S. President Harry S. Truman that was in charge
of classified ufo intelligence.

Forresral was against
hiding the Truth from the public indefinitly and
may have been silenced for his opinion.>

;my edit

Forced to resign as Secretary of Defence by Truman in March of 1949, he fell in to a state of depression.

Exhausted from overwork, Forrestal entered psychiatric treatment. The attending psychiatrist, Captain George N. Raines, was handpicked by the Navy Surgeon General. The regimen was as follows:

1.1st week: narcosis with sodium amytal.
2.2nd – 5th weeks: a regimen of insulin sub-shock combined with psycho-therapeutic interviews. According to Dr. Raines, the patient overreacted to the insulin much as he had the amytal and this would occasionally throw him into a confused state with a great deal of agitation and confusion.
3.4th week: insulin administered only in stimulating doses; 10 units of insulin four times a day, morning, noon, afternoon and evening.
According to Dr. Raines, "We considered electro-shock but thought it better to postpone it for another 90 days. In reactive depression if electro-shock is used early and the patient is returned to the same situation from which he came there is grave danger of suicide in the immediate period after they return... so strangely enough we left out electro-shock to avoid what actually happened anyhow".
In the early morning hours of May 22, his body, clad only in the bottom half of a pair of pajamas, was found on a third-floor roof below the 16th-floor kitchen across the hall from his room.

He had been working on his memoirs while at the Navel Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland in his room on the 16th
floor.

There were unsubstantiated reports in the press of paranoia and of involuntary commitment to the hospital, as well as suspicions about the detailed circumstances of his death, which have fed a variety of conspiracy theories as well as legitimate questions. ~ There was also broken glass found on Forrestal's bed, a fact that had not been previously reported. Theories as to who might have murdered Forrestal range from Zionist or Soviet agents to U.S. government operatives sent to silence him for his knowledge of UFOs.


also noteworthy;


In the beginning of the Cold War period, Forrestal strongly influenced the new Wisconsin Senator, Joseph McCarthy, concerning infiltration of the government by Communists. Upon McCarthy's arrival in Washington in December 1946, Forrestal invited him to lunch. In McCarthy's words, "Before meeting Jim Forrestal I thought we were losing to international Communism because of incompetence and stupidity on the part of our planners. I mentioned that to Forrestal. I shall forever remember his answer. He said, 'McCarthy, consistency has never been a mark of stupidity. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor.' This phrase struck me so forcefully that I have often used it since."

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[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

James Vincent Forrestal (February 15, 1892 – May 22, 1949) was the last Cabinet-level United States Secretary of the Navy and the first United States Secretary of Defense.



In office
September 17, 1947 – March 28, 1949

<Forrestal, also a member of the original
Majestic 12 or MJ-12.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
alleged to have been the code name of a secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials, formed in 1947 by an executive order by U.S. President Harry S. Truman that was in charge
of classified ufo intelligence.

Forresral was against
hiding the Truth from the public indefinitly and
may have been silenced for his opinion.>

;my edit

Forced to resign as Secretary of Defence by Truman in March of 1949, he fell in to a state of depression.

Exhausted from overwork, Forrestal entered psychiatric treatment. The attending psychiatrist, Captain George N. Raines, was handpicked by the Navy Surgeon General. The regimen was as follows:

1.1st week: narcosis with sodium amytal.
2.2nd – 5th weeks: a regimen of insulin sub-shock combined with psycho-therapeutic interviews. According to Dr. Raines, the patient overreacted to the insulin much as he had the amytal and this would occasionally throw him into a confused state with a great deal of agitation and confusion.
3.4th week: insulin administered only in stimulating doses; 10 units of insulin four times a day, morning, noon, afternoon and evening.
According to Dr. Raines, "We considered electro-shock but thought it better to postpone it for another 90 days. In reactive depression if electro-shock is used early and the patient is returned to the same situation from which he came there is grave danger of suicide in the immediate period after they return... so strangely enough we left out electro-shock to avoid what actually happened anyhow".
In the early morning hours of May 22, his body, clad only in the bottom half of a pair of pajamas, was found on a third-floor roof below the 16th-floor kitchen across the hall from his room.

He had been working on his memoirs while at the Navel Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland in his room on the 16th
floor.

There were unsubstantiated reports in the press of paranoia and of involuntary commitment to the hospital, as well as suspicions about the detailed circumstances of his death, which have fed a variety of conspiracy theories as well as legitimate questions. ~ There was also broken glass found on Forrestal's bed, a fact that had not been previously reported. Theories as to who might have murdered Forrestal range from Zionist or Soviet agents to U.S. government operatives sent to silence him for his knowledge of UFOs.


also noteworthy;


In the beginning of the Cold War period, Forrestal strongly influenced the new Wisconsin Senator, Joseph McCarthy, concerning infiltration of the government by Communists. Upon McCarthy's arrival in Washington in December 1946, Forrestal invited him to lunch. In McCarthy's words, "Before meeting Jim Forrestal I thought we were losing to international Communism because of incompetence and stupidity on the part of our planners. I mentioned that to Forrestal. I shall forever remember his answer. He said, 'McCarthy, consistency has never been a mark of stupidity. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor.' This phrase struck me so forcefully that I have often used it since."
 Quoting: ghost runner


There was never actually a sufficient investigation done. The matter was ordered closed and marked a suicide from an unknown office on high. Many have speculated that he was in fact "suicided."

His "psychosis" or paranoia kicked off with a private conversation in a car between Forrestal and an intelligence agent. It is suspected that he revealed something regarding UFO's and this made Forrestal snap. I cannot recall the man's name but I am going to find it.

Nice work on that one. Few know this story about Forrestal.
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Do you believe they were coming long before Roswell?
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Do you believe they were coming long before Roswell?
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Yes.

Our actual historical records point to our first really noticing them around the 1890's...the famous airship sightings...the 1920's...the "ghost rockets" in scandinavia...the late 30's and into the early 40's we started to get reports of foo fighters...and then the legitimate "flying saucer" craze kicked off with Kenneth Arnold's report of craft over Mt. Rainier on June 24, 1947...this can be considered the beginning of modern UFO history.

However, there is significant historical evidence that many groups of people had witnessed unusual aerial phenomena prior to this.
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It is also possible (as many have said) that when we began to experiment with atomic fusion/fission and created certain nuclear emissions, we kind of set of a beacon...Certainly they began to show themselves with more frequency RIGHT after the atomic age began.

Perhaps they thought, "Oh, the kids found the matches."
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Yes.

Our actual historical records point to our first really noticing them around the 1890's...the famous airship sightings...the 1920's...the "ghost rockets" in scandinavia...the late 30's and into the early 40's we started to get reports of foo fighters...and then the legitimate "flying saucer" craze kicked off with Kenneth Arnold's report of craft over Mt. Rainier on June 24, 1947...this can be considered the beginning of modern UFO history.

However, there is significant historical evidence that many groups of people had witnessed unusual aerial phenomena prior to this.
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There are several medieval altarpieces depicting Mary and the baby Jesus with one or two spaceships, and in one case with a fleet of UFO's above.

Many prehistoric cave drawings of craft. And men with spacesuits on.

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Do you believe they were coming long before Roswell?
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Yes.

Our actual historical records point to our first really noticing them around the 1890's...the famous airship sightings...the 1920's...the "ghost rockets" in scandinavia...the late 30's and into the early 40's we started to get reports of foo fighters...and then the legitimate "flying saucer" craze kicked off with Kenneth Arnold's report of craft over Mt. Rainier on June 24, 1947...this can be considered the beginning of modern UFO history.

However, there is significant historical evidence that many groups of people had witnessed unusual aerial phenomena prior to this.
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There are several medieval altarpieces depicting Mary and the baby Jesus with one or two spaceships, and in one case with a fleet of UFO's above.

Many prehistoric cave drawings of craft. And men with spacesuits on.
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And an aerial battle over Nuremberg in 1561, long before planes were invented…

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Nice job, Kai. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

Lovey, I would be interested to read a "factual" thread about the validity or lack of validity regarding the Reps...if for no other reason than to see what documentation you'll source.

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Do you believe they were coming long before Roswell?
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Yes.

Our actual historical records point to our first really noticing them around the 1890's...the famous airship sightings...the 1920's...the "ghost rockets" in scandinavia...the late 30's and into the early 40's we started to get reports of foo fighters...and then the legitimate "flying saucer" craze kicked off with Kenneth Arnold's report of craft over Mt. Rainier on June 24, 1947...this can be considered the beginning of modern UFO history.

However, there is significant historical evidence that many groups of people had witnessed unusual aerial phenomena prior to this.
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I believe Zoroaster was an ET.

He lived in Afghanistan about 2,600 years ago.

He flew around in a Vimana.
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Do you believe they were coming long before Roswell?
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I believe ETs built the Pyramid of Giza.

It's at the 9 minute mark of the video.

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same linky as above.. same day, same author.

CRASH DETAILS

Let us return to the beings of Aztec, New Mexico. The stories get more insane with each telling, it seems--how about a little truth to shed some light on the happenings.

Between the first of your year 1947 and the end of your year 1952 (and here I shall use published figures--all erroneous) at least sixteen crashed or downed alien craft, sixty- five alien bodies, and one live alien were recovered.

An additional alien craft had exploded and nothing was recovered from that incident. Of those incidents, thirteen are reported to have occurred within the borders of the United States not including the craft which disintegrated in the air. Of these thirteen, one was in Arizona, eleven were in New Mexico and one was in Nevada. Three occurred in foreign countries. Of those, one was in Norway, and the last two were in Mexico. Sightings of UFO's were so numerous that serious investigation and debunking of each report became impossible utilizing the existing intelligence assets.

Let us look at these published figures a bit more closely. Does it not seem strange that only three of said sixteen crashes occurred in foreign countries and two of those in Mexico? Could it be that other countries are not quite so hostile to visitors? How do you think there would be eleven in New Mexico?

Could it be the visitors were being lured into secret bases and then fired upon and downed? ON OCTOBER 29, 1987 YOUR GOVERNMENT FIRED A HEAT SEEKING MISSILE AT MY OWN SHIP ABOVE VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE IN CALIFORNIA -- AFTER ATTEMPTING TO FIRE A NUCLEAR WARHEAD INTO "OUR" SPACE.


On August 17, 1987, five Pleiades craft were crash landed; one reported in Yucca Flats and later claimed to be a "stealth" crash-yet it was also claimed the "stealth" was still in prototype. One was crashed in Virginia and one in Texas. Both of the latter were
-- PJ 3-- pag. 16
reported and covered-up. The one in Texas, however, made it both to KPRC and KTRH and both Houston major papers. The remaining two have not been publicly reported and I shall avoid discussion of them.

Of the craft that was crashed in Yucca Flats, there were five crew aboard. Three were apparently dead; two have body vital signs and are now in Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. This information has been verified by a group out of Edwards Air Force Base (no longer assigned in that area) and one officer from Nellis Field--pleading anonymity, verified same in New York.

What is at Edwards Air Force Base would boggle the minds of the public.

These were shuttle craft from MY COMMAND, therefore I have my facts correct, Ma'am. There was also a "crash" out of Bakersfield, California in 1986 which was also projected as a "stealth". Does it strike anyone as strange that you crash the first five of five stealth planes while they are still on the drawing board? What expense is one of your stealth bombers? Half a billion dollars? My, my--oh I see, perhaps "stealth" fighters. Why do you need Stealth bombers and fighter planes when the war is going to be fought with missiles and nuclear bombs from missiles?

Could it be anything like your year 1957 when your Army was assigned the task of forming a super secret organization to furnish security for all alien tasked projects? The first of such organization became the National Reconnaissance Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. The specific teams trained to secure the projects were called Delta.

A second project code named SNOWBIRD was promulgated to explain away any sightings of the REDLIGHT (alien) crafts as being Air Force experiments.

The SNOWBIRD (as I said, your government loves cute code names) crafts were manufactured using conventional technology and were flown for the press on several occasions. Very "different" in appearance. Project SNOWBIRD was also used to debunk legitimate public sightings of alien craft (UFO's). Project SNOWBIRD was most successful and reports from the public declined steadily--that is, until recently and currently. Thus enters your "stealth" toys. What do you think "really" goes on at your Pine Gap, Australia installation? Have you ones slept a bit too long perhaps?

Let me finish the story of New Mexico and the crash of our beloved brothers who are able to live in high concentrations of carbon dioxide. They came for two reasons. Firstly, they thought they might be of help in assisting you to meet needs in order for your species to survive as your "greenhouse" effect worsens. Secondly, if you could not survive, they could--beautifully. Therefore, a planet would not be wasted. But they came to you in peace and wondrous love.

They were lured in, brought down and attacked. The beings were flamed to incineration with the exception of three in the second or third "crash" that were kept for informational hostages. More disrespectful was that the stories were then projected that there were body parts of humans stashed aboard, such as reproductive organs, anus, sex organs and other cute things that only would interest Earth humankind and
-- PJ 3 -- pag. 17
strike terror into the hearts of the populace.

A funny thing happened though. After removing all working equipment from the craft the interior was burned to a cinder to the point that it was claimed nothing could be salvaged. How so, then, could you produce these readily recognizable body parts such as a human anus after a fire which charred the alien bodies to their very skeletal system? Do you humans, as a group, ever open your eyes and question anything? Are you drugged beyond recovery?
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None of this can be considered factual. At best it is anecdotal. At worst it is spurious.
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You are correct!

The Aztec, New Mexico crash was 100% Fiction.

At worse it is spurious! Truer words have never been spoken.

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Groovy. I've always wanted to visit Roswell. If I ever road trip again out west I'm there.

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You haven't missed much.
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Let's get something straight here.

I am familiar with the so called "Phoenix Journals." They have no meaning to me because they cannot be verified or checked in any way. When I look at data, I look at a BIG pile of it. I find all of the information that can be cross checked. "This person was in the same place at the same time as this person and they both saw the same thing. And their stories were recorded by these two separate journalists as well as verified by this FOIA document." THAT is good data. Roswell is full of that kind of stuff. Indisputable, verifiable, hard evidence. The Phoenix Journals, allegedly written by some deity on high, cannot be checked in any way. The information contains no verifiable sources. There is nothing that is cross referenced. There are no documents that back up those stories. It cannot be considered evidence. Therefor it has no value to me.
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Let's get something straight here.

I am familiar with the so called "Phoenix Journals." They have no meaning to me because they cannot be verified or checked in any way. When I look at data, I look at a BIG pile of it. I find all of the information that can be cross checked. "This person was in the same place at the same time as this person and they both saw the same thing. And their stories were recorded by these two separate journalists as well as verified by this FOIA document." THAT is good data. Roswell is full of that kind of stuff. Indisputable, verifiable, hard evidence. The Phoenix Journals, allegedly written by some deity on high, cannot be checked in any way. The information contains no verifiable sources. There is nothing that is cross referenced. There are no documents that back up those stories. It cannot be considered evidence. Therefor it has no value to me.
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but..can i be considered evidence/
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Let's get something straight here.

I am familiar with the so called "Phoenix Journals." They have no meaning to me because they cannot be verified or checked in any way. When I look at data, I look at a BIG pile of it. I find all of the information that can be cross checked. "This person was in the same place at the same time as this person and they both saw the same thing. And their stories were recorded by these two separate journalists as well as verified by this FOIA document." THAT is good data. Roswell is full of that kind of stuff. Indisputable, verifiable, hard evidence. The Phoenix Journals, allegedly written by some deity on high, cannot be checked in any way. The information contains no verifiable sources. There is nothing that is cross referenced. There are no documents that back up those stories. It cannot be considered evidence. Therefor it has no value to me.
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but..can i be considered evidence/
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Evidence of what? The existence of a human presence on the Internet and more specifically GLP?

;)
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Let's get something straight here.

I am familiar with the so called "Phoenix Journals." They have no meaning to me because they cannot be verified or checked in any way. When I look at data, I look at a BIG pile of it. I find all of the information that can be cross checked. "This person was in the same place at the same time as this person and they both saw the same thing. And their stories were recorded by these two separate journalists as well as verified by this FOIA document." THAT is good data. Roswell is full of that kind of stuff. Indisputable, verifiable, hard evidence. The Phoenix Journals, allegedly written by some deity on high, cannot be checked in any way. The information contains no verifiable sources. There is nothing that is cross referenced. There are no documents that back up those stories. It cannot be considered evidence. Therefor it has no value to me.
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but..can i be considered evidence/
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Evidence of what? The existence of a human presence on the Internet and more specifically GLP?

;)
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I saw it! I saw it before your edit!

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Let's get something straight here.

I am familiar with the so called "Phoenix Journals." They have no meaning to me because they cannot be verified or checked in any way. When I look at data, I look at a BIG pile of it. I find all of the information that can be cross checked. "This person was in the same place at the same time as this person and they both saw the same thing. And their stories were recorded by these two separate journalists as well as verified by this FOIA document." THAT is good data. Roswell is full of that kind of stuff. Indisputable, verifiable, hard evidence. The Phoenix Journals, allegedly written by some deity on high, cannot be checked in any way. The information contains no verifiable sources. There is nothing that is cross referenced. There are no documents that back up those stories. It cannot be considered evidence. Therefor it has no value to me.
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but..can i be considered evidence/
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Evidence of what? The existence of a human presence on the Internet and more specifically GLP?

;)
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Your Roswell Evidence is located at Papoose Dry Lake / S4.

The Domain Scouts are stored there.

All you have to do is get past the cammo dudes!

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I think this also can be considered evidence.

Consider the source and quality of the video.






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