Was the Rapture really invented in the 1800's?

I don't think rapture is scriptural really, of course I could be wrong. I make mistakes.
But I know this about the Father: He uses hardship to teach the sons and daughters valuable lessons.

So DailyBeast and Post Tribbers (The Fat Guy from Texas crowd basically, they all believe that crock of shit and they think they will be heroes fighting Satans armies) ascribing to the same lie?
Who would have thunk. Still a good confirmation for me to see who those crowds belongs to.

Here's one that disproves their claim:

Ephraem the Syrian
For many years post-tribulationists and amillenialists have claimed that the pre-tribulational viewpoint is a recent teaching (circa 1800's) in the almost 2000 year history of the Church. And many claim that this lack of teaching by the early forefathers of the Church indicates that it is not a valid teaching because it would have been carried down in the Church writings.
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The Bible is very clear too, here's some good examples:
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goes up to number 24.

I think the Rapture, will be God's Surprise...on the Devil.

No man will see it, or predict it's coming.

You can read many Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation and Post-Tribulation Theories from man's point of view, for when the Rapture will happen. Afterwards, you come to the conclusion that you need to leave "God's Plan", up to God.

It is absolutely a creation of man. There will never be a rapture. The book of revelations is not literal in its interpretation.

If all the disciples are raptured, who will assist the people through the hardships of tribulation?
To me, it just doesn't add up.

From the early church, to the Reformers, into the modern era... the false doctrine of the rapture had never been part of church belief.

The lie of the rapture was invented in the early 1800's and made little progress. However, when the false Christian C.I. Scoffield published his "reference Bible" which supported the lie of the rapture, entire generation of Christians have been deceived by the lie. Scoffield's partners in the study Bible project quit over the many false doctrines that Scoffield was supporting, especially the rapture doctrine (which very very few people knew about or believed before the book was published).

The Scoffield Reference Bible is one of the most (spiritually) deadly attacks Satan ever made on the church; as millions have been lost due to the corruption and lies in it that so many people believed.

No idea but it is certainly the most popular theme going today. If it was that strong of a theme they wouldn't have to do so much advertising to sell it. Granted it must have big bucks backing it as the newer ones made it plain that the rapture ready version is the only possible way it could be understood. Compare it to the 1611KJV text and the changes are easy to spot and without those changes you can't justify splitting off the last week of Daniel's 70 weeks.
Granted that might also require a few paragraphs but it is all there that allows for another plan to emerge from all those various OT and NT passages.
If it is from the 1880's then it is going to be tied into the Rothschild creation of Jerusalem and Israel. They never do anything out of the goodness of their hearts so there must be a big reward for them to go from being money-changers to being treated like gods. (make huge mistakes and bear no responsibility or making appropriate changes where certain groups do not enjoy an unfair advantage)

I shutter to think what that would mean for the ones that disappeared, no more TV Preachers?? Silver lining?? lol
I haven't heard anything about what the 3 1/2 year peace deal is supposed to be about other than it tanks after that period of time. If 'they' don't cheap out it could be pretty impressive as they have about $750T sitting in the usury drawer, I'm thinking most of that is for the 3 1/2 years of all out war that will follow. Only in God's version are people destined to return from the literal grave.

Margaret MacDonald, 1830's is when it started...rapture...Satan's lie.

I think there is a monetary angle to this as well. Paying the church for your sin was common back then

what exactly is the rapture?

Agreed! And boy did it sell!

"Paying the church for your sin was common back then"


Which is totally backwards. Defeats the purpose of Jesus coming down to direct us, correct us, and rectify us (as promised in torah).

Its when the "disciples" leave earth before the tribulation.

Why? because they're special. Special potatoes.

A false doctrine that teaches when times are so unbearable that The Lord will take the Church off the face of the Earth only to return with him on the great and dreadful day!

Wrong, incorrect! Lies! In fact the so called rapture will be used in a mock alien invasion!

Safety of Christians was never put into the hands of the Church Elders, their mission was to publish (not teach as it is a self teaching book) Hang onto what is clear and review what is not clear after reading a few more relevant parts of the Bible. Since the only ones authorized by God to do anything before the return are the two witnesses and they are the ones that direct the Holy Spirit and that is how some are kept safe and why others have a different fate. These OT verses apply because of the term 'latter days' and Gentiles saying the same prayers that Daniel said will get the same results that Daniel got, a visit from an angel.

De:4:29-31:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The wilderness in Re:12 is where the 144,000 and any sealed Gentiles would be and protection is done by the earth itself and that would mean protection from harm by an angel might take on the form of a 'better mousetrap' series of events removing the 'harm' rather than you having any power to protect yourself.

The 7 letters to the 7 Angels of the 7 Churches could be 'the teachers of the Gospel' to those who pray as God uses the relationships in the 7 letters to judge people on the day of return. The 12 Tribes have 144,000 survive alive and everyone else going back to Abraham will be resurrected. Gentiles have 1/3 of the world left standing after the few hours it takes for the vials to be poured out. The 7 Churches include all Gentiles from the time of Acts:10 and the time repenting stops working is the day of judgment, if you have not overcome some errors in your relationship with God (according to all the letters) then God will put you in the grave until you come alive at the Great White Throne event. If you have overcome your faults and you are alive on the day the 7th trump sounds you get to walk to Jerusalem and the destruction you see along the way will be your witness to 'the power of God' who does 2x as much damage in a 3 1/2 hours as Satan could do in 3 1/2 years

The 2 witness have power like Moses and their 'info' covers the globe so while in Jerusalem they could react to a prayer said in North America.

Paying for future sins was invented and practiced by the Catholic church.
The rapture was invented by Presbyterian, Baptist type church goers.

Catholic's don't teach the rapture.

The Rapture is an actual Biblical event, but it (as so many other things) has been twisted and changed by Satan and his agents, so that what most people believe about the rapture today, is not what the scriptures teach.

In short, the "rapture" is the event of the dead being raised from the grave, and the righteous living being changed, and all will be "caught up" into the clouds at the return of Jesus Christ.

The scripture truth: This event happens on the last day of the world; at the last trump! When Jesus returns bringing judgment and destruction to the wicked, and change and everlasting life to the righteous in Christ. This happens at the same time, on The Last Day; as the righteous living and dead are caught up, and the remaining wicked are destroyed by His wrath.


The Popular Lie: Jesus returns IN SECRET and raptures away all the righteous, before the tribulation. Then, seven years later, He returns AGAIN to bring judgement on the world. This is completely not scriptural and is a lie created to cause people to be lost due to false sense of security in how redemption and judgement happens.

Those who believe the lie of the rapture use a small number of scripture passages, taken way out of context, to support their belief. Their favorite passage is the the one that uses the word "harpazzo" which means "catching away"; they say this proves the rapture, but it is actually referring to the last day of this world when Christ returns and gathers His people to Him.

Sadly, it takes only a small amount of scripture knowledge to understand that the rapture theory is absurd and a lie.

You are the most obvious disinformation agent on this entire forum!

ok thank you all!

There are quotes from the Epistoles that talk about it then. To Corinthians A 15 (51)and to Thessalonikis A 4 (13) or is this another issue?

And a lousy one at best!

The argument goes that it is so they avoid any tribulation yet come back as 'armies of God' whose task it is includes bring tribulation to a lot of people. That is the aspect that makes them 'dangerous to themselves'.
They don't bother mentioning that there is a war going on in heaven until the time of the return so by escaping a tribulation that a sincere prayer will get you out of you enter a place where you are a speck of dust and the 'dance-hall' is in an uproar. The Church witnesses a bit of wrath before the return and saw Jerusalem burned. The 1,000 years is needed to purify the ones on earth a bit more so they can withstand the arrival of God, without being perfected first they would all end up in the fiery lake.
That is what the whole population of that reign will have in common. They will be in Israel when Satan and the fallen angels are released on the (perfected) world and the people there become witnesses to what 'fire from God in Heaven' actually means and that will help them warn others as they are the Shepherds to the Flock in the upcoming New Earth era.

oh ok! so it is the time that differs then because i read the greek texts and they say that both the dead and alive will be caught up when the last trampet is heard.

I guess you missed my post...

"Those who believe the lie of the rapture use a small number of scripture passages, TAKEN WAY OUT OF CONTEXT, to support their belief."

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Yes, it is about the timing...

The so-called rapture is an actual event, but it happens on the last day. Not seven years before so the "righteous" can avoid the tribulation. The righteous of the last days go through tribulation, just as all believers throughout history have gone through tribulation.

Before someone brings up the scripture about the righteous not suffering His wrath; the wrath of God and the tribulation are two different things! The tribulation is the finals events that act as a warning that the end is near; the wrath of God is the actual destruction of this world. As always, these passages are taken out of context and twisted... the righteous avoid God's wrath, meaning they are saved and will not suffer the judgement and destruction that the wicked do... but they will still see tribulation.

The rapture lie is the foundation for several other false doctrines that work together to deceive people and lead them to destruction. People believe they will have a seven-year "second chance" after the rapture to accept Christ, so they are spiritually "lukewarm" instead of urgently seeking Christ. However, when Christ returns He will bring judgement with Him... there will be no second chances and there will be no seven year period to accept Christ. When Christ returns, the one and only time He will do so, if you are not saved in Christ you are lost.

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Ok so we talk about the Adventist sect, right?
They are the ones who promote this interpretation of the scriptures mainly based on the Apocalypse verses (21, 1-10) (at least this is what i read)

I don't believe in the Pre-Trib rapture. I find it odd that God would use the scriptures to warn believers of the coming tribulation and what they would go through, if he was only going to pull them out beforehand anyway.

Last Edited by ProfessorChaos on 07/08/2014 03:40 PM

really? they have made movies and nutjobs have caused millions to quit jobs, sell houses and so on and what did you say again?

They clearly meant that no one would be able to predict the real rapture.

Reading Comprehension, just sayin'