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Zecharia Sitchin Was Right! - Skeptics Beware!

 
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For those of you who have followed the debate on the internet you may know about the personal attacks I have withstood from Michael S. Heiser, in my attempt to honestly debate him regarding the writings and thesis of Zecharia Sitchin.

I always choose my words carefully and have never used the word "wrong" when applying it to Mr. Heiser and I have never personally insulted him or his position.

The word "wrong" has emotional charge behind it so I try to use "correct/incorrect" to apply to details or facts. I prefer to debate the evidence and the issues and not have a discussion become personal. The purpose, for me, is to increase my understanding of a subject and clarify misunderstandings. My goal is always to add to the body of knowledge and understanding of a complex issue for the readers and myself.

As you will see, Mr. Heiser’s goal is not to add knowledge and understanding to these issues. His goal, from the beginning, when he came on the web page and speaking scene, was to tear down the work of an established author. He had no name recognition to stand on so he used Sitchin’s good name to get attention for himself so he could sell his own book, appear on the radio and get speaking engagements.

Mr. Heiser does not think he is a debunker and I will not declare that he is. My purpose is, for the reader, to point out that his tactics and behavioral patterns fit the mold and style of a debunker which includes using personal attacks and ridicule. You can make the decision on your own once you see both sides of the issue. Hopefully, you will reach your own conclusions about his motives.

Debunker trick #1, when having no reputation of your own, attempt to destroy the work of an established individual, in the process creating a name for yourself. In fact, the method involves using the name of the person you are attempting to destroy as the springboard for yourself.

His first web page that I read was full of insults and uncalled for statements. You would think that a man who claims he has a respected background and career would not want to use someone else’s name for his own gain.

Wouldn’t he want to be recognized for his own individual achievements? This maneuver is a “shifter” strategy made famous in the book, “Atlas Shrugged,” by Ayn Rand. This procedure is used to take away from someone the thing you want the most for yourself, thereby "shifting" it away from them and to you. In this case, Heiser wants to take away Sitchin’s fame and respect as an author, researcher and speaker.

Even at this point, he still wants to debate Sitchin. For what purpose? If it were to add to everyone’s knowledge and understanding there would be no need for personal attacks against Sitchin or me. Sitchin does not have a computer, does not browse the Internet and, therefore, has never seen any of Heiser’s material nor heard him speak. Why would he agree to go on the radio and be attacked? Why would Sitchin help Heiser increase his name recognition?

Sitchin is just too busy writing new books and arranging seminars. You can tell from Heiser’s writing style that he is very confrontational -- he uses debunker tactics. His purpose for wanting to debate Sitchin is to employ the attack and ridicule process.

This is completely inconsistent with a person that wants to raise up all of society by their knowledge.

I don’t think there will be a debate with Sitchin, but I still have a few words to say....

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Speaking of LPG-C; when Dr. Bordon became aware of Dr. Heiser's debunking attempts, he emailed him the following response as a comment to Heiser's research. Heiser, of course, never replied:

EMAIL TO MIKE HEISER
16 May 2011

Good afternoon, Mike. Just visited your blog (The Naked Bible/Eschatology
[link to michaelsheiser.com] Took the
time to read everything you have here, on your other site, The Facade, and
borrowed a copy of your dissertation which I also carefully and
thoughtfully read.

After some careful consideration of what Sitchin said and did (and the
“scholarship” with which he treated us through his Earth Chronicles) and
the rebuttals you regaled us all in your websites which you so ably
established sound basis in your dissertation, I came to realize two
things: (1) the Nibiru phenomenon is that, a phenomenon that has become
quite a meme in our culture as your stance and the people sharing their
views and feelings on your sites indicate; indeed, throughout the world,
and (2) the scholarship that supports or denies the reality of the
phenomenon is Biblical and sumero-egyptologic – a fact that makes both
sides (yours and Sitchin’s) open to claims that both are based upon (a) an
interpretation of the historical record, (b) a matter of expertise in
ancient near eastern languages, and (c) conclusions, being what they are
(hypothetical written “pictures” or models of a phenomenon), can be again
highly interpretive of the records treated as data supporting a view
through the prism used by the interpreter: Sitchin says “it is,” and you
say “it isn’t.”

But the story does not end there. There is, as they say, a “door number
3.” This door is the one through which, wittingly or unwittingly,
willingly or forced by circumstances, I am walking into this phenomenon.
This is the door opened by experiencers who have come in contact with
so-called Annunakis. In my case, it occurred when I was ten or eleven in
South America, on the Parana River between Brazil and Paraguay, while
fishing with my father northeast of Encarnacion, Paraguay. He and I were
“picked up” by a triangular six-man craft and, while my father was kept
sedated via interesting nonbiomedical means, I was not.

This was the first of three encounters with the same individual who lead
the first group on the Parana, and have since assisted the small
scientific cooperative that LPG-C has been since the early ’90s with very
advanced scientific information and the technology with which to get our
own by the same, or similar means, they have for apparent eaons. They
called it the “brilliance,” according to Sitchin; we were more mundane in
the naming, referring to it as simply “the tank.” We’ve been at it since
1998, when the first of two prototypes were completed, tested, and much to
our amazement, found it to work exceeding all of our expectations. The
results have been cumuli of information about how nature is and how nature
works, from the infinite to the infinitesimal, and presented in some
detail and with an historical sense of order on our new and improved
website at [link to www.lifephysicsgroup.org.] To wit: we are in process of
miniaturizing the key aspects of this apparatus, such that it could be
used by qualified scientists wishing to explore the same Nature we did.
Oh, the surprises that await them.

And we are not the only experiencers of these who call themselves Sa.a.mi.
and you and Sitchin know as Annunaki and fit the bill in appearance for
the ancient Annunaki and/or Nephilim (the latter seeming human-Annunaki
hybrids). There are others, and there are also others who are quietly
pursuing face-to-face benevolent contact with “giants” in several places
(South America, southern Africa, and the Mideast).

In a larger context, there is also an exopolitical framework which is
impinged upon by the past (and which is the reason we now all need not
scholarship proving one view or another, but rather a model of what we as
humans face today and must literally face within 50 to 70 years from now).
Whether or not Nibiru is a star or a planet or a comet, all of that is
splitting hair. The IRAS pictures did not lie, and the current South Pole
Telescope data is showing the incoming as being quite real, and
incidentally, proving Jim McCanney’s contentions out to be more certain
that any fiction I could write (and have written) about. No, Mike, this is
not fable, and it is not prehistory.

Let me close this unexpectedly longer note than I intended by simply
asking (1) whether or not you’ve ever experienced a face to face presence
with one of these creatures, and (2) what would you do if you could?

Kind regards,
A.R. BORDON
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sitchin was a big fat stupid walrus man

FACT
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Your actions are so transparent any more. laugh
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Your actions are so transparent any more. laugh
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I do have to say, Sitchin was what, maybe 5 or 6 people considered qualified during his day to translate? I insist on keeping an open mind to others. It's just the smart thing to do.

I have no knowledge of the disputes, but relying on one man alone has its risks in the genuine quest for knowledge....

A gaping hole, or opportunity exists here, in my opinion, for someone to publish a book on the the premiere respected cuneiform interpreters, along with an analysis of the differences....

That would be a hefty challenge, but something that would probably fund their retirement..
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Interesting.

I never did that much research, but I know the great lengths some will go through to discredit someone.
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your point about correct/incorrect is a great one and i try to keep that in mind too
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For GOD SAKE Op,

plz put a resume version of your topic at first paragraph PRIOR to opening the hole can.

normal standard way to attrack worms like us. Interesting title.. open the thread OMG WALL OF TEXT.
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For GOD SAKE Op,

plz put a resume version of your topic at first paragraph PRIOR to opening the hole can.

normal standard way to attrack worms like us. Interesting title.. open the thread OMG WALL OF TEXT.
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You have a problem with reading?

How the fuck have you ever learned anything then?
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I know ETs exist and interact. I take large stock in Sitchin's works. However, calling out of some idiot by name and writing paragraphs doing to him what you claim he did to you devalues the topic.

1 star.

Next time follow the title and take the high road please. Thanks
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For GOD SAKE Op,

plz put a resume version of your topic at first paragraph PRIOR to opening the hole can.

normal standard way to attrack worms like us. Interesting title.. open the thread OMG WALL OF TEXT.
 Quoting: Korats01


You have a problem with reading?

How the fuck have you ever learned anything then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6157142


Its a forum not a book OP.

if you have not been on internet for the.. well since it exist learn about how forum thread are made. Still, I will read it. But format change with the medium it is being used.

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Ancient Aliens, The Anunnaki, Zacheria Sitchin, DNA, and Human Evolution - Documentary in HD!

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For GOD SAKE Op,

plz put a resume version of your topic at first paragraph PRIOR to opening the hole can.

normal standard way to attrack worms like us. Interesting title.. open the thread OMG WALL OF TEXT.
 Quoting: Korats01


You have a problem with reading?

How the fuck have you ever learned anything then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6157142


Its a forum not a book OP.

if you have not been on internet for the.. well since it exist learn about how forum thread are made. Still, I will read it. But format change with the medium it is being used.

101 Human society
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Don't read it, i don't give a fuck really
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For GOD SAKE Op,

plz put a resume version of your topic at first paragraph PRIOR to opening the hole can.

normal standard way to attrack worms like us. Interesting title.. open the thread OMG WALL OF TEXT.
 Quoting: Korats01


You have a problem with reading?

How the fuck have you ever learned anything then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6157142


Its a forum not a book OP.

if you have not been on internet for the.. well since it exist learn about how forum thread are made. Still, I will read it. But format change with the medium it is being used.

101 Human society
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Spend some time here, you should like it: [link to www.worldstarhiphop.com]


Meanwhile, leave people like OP alone, I am interested in it.
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I know ETs exist and interact. I take large stock in Sitchin's works. However, calling out of some idiot by name and writing paragraphs doing to him what you claim he did to you devalues the topic.

1 star.

Next time follow the title and take the high road please. Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1767275


OK...this is on topic. As far as I know, you nor me or anyone can actually read the cuiniforms, now can we? I'm so sick of bible bastards assembling cults of fools that I I suspect the same danger from masses relying on this dead man's writing. That said, I don't know if he's correct, nor do I know if the few that have attempted the same are either......there lies our little problem.

Do scratchings on clay pots last longer than our CD ROMS? Yes. Do those clay scratchings last longer than books? Yes. Without direct destruction of the clay pots, are they permanent? You answer.
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tldr
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I know ETs exist and interact. I take large stock in Sitchin's works. However, calling out of some idiot by name and writing paragraphs doing to him what you claim he did to you devalues the topic.

1 star.

Next time follow the title and take the high road please. Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1767275


OK...this is on topic. As far as I know, you nor me or anyone can actually read the cuiniforms, now can we? I'm so sick of bible bastards assembling cults of fools that I I suspect the same danger from masses relying on this dead man's writing. That said, I don't know if he's correct, nor do I know if the few that have attempted the same are either......there lies our little problem.

Do scratchings on clay pots last longer than our CD ROMS? Yes. Do those clay scratchings last longer than books? Yes. Without direct destruction of the clay pots, are they permanent? You answer.
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ohyeah
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Members of a Secret Shadow Government group I have done work for know Sitchin’s work by heart, To begin with, the members know Sitchin’s work by heart, down to the smallest detail, They are really embracing “the old man” and promote his work.

However, they also embrace very legitimate quantum physicists such as David Bohm and many others. Also, he did not stick under the table with that much of the “Working Model,” which became their model of the Multiverse, they had learned from the Anunnaki, while much of the rest came out of ENS (Extra Neuro Sensing)—their form of remote viewing.

This kind of remote viewing—or a very similar technique, almost down to the letter—has also been used by George LoBuono, a self-proclaimed remote viewer, who is also an author of the book, “Alien Mind.”
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OP, your sources could not be more predictable.
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Joe Jordan is right! Atheists beware.

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OP, your sources could not be more predictable.
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Not sure what that even means so.....OK grinning
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sitchin was a big fat stupid walrus man

FACT
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You have the nerve to call a gifted scholar, schoolyard juvenile names under "Anonymous Coward"?
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Interesting.

I never did that much research, but I know the great lengths some will go through to discredit someone.
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For GOD SAKE Op,

plz put a resume version of your topic at first paragraph PRIOR to opening the hole can.

normal standard way to attrack worms like us. Interesting title.. open the thread OMG WALL OF TEXT.
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hesright

This hurts our eyes OP.
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sitchin was a big fat stupid walrus man

FACT
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Zecharia Sitchin is a delusional fool that believes in little green men. His books are nothing more than entertainment for stupid people like most of you who read this forum.

You are all bat-shit crazy like me. We're all alike in many ways more than one way to skin a cat.

I've had some root devil juice water and was so fucked up that I puked out a new galaxy and named it the milkyway galaxy.

I drank milk with vodka and lived to sing about it. Tupac is Elvis. They killed Elvis and Tupac. Elvis died for our sins so that we may Rock N' Roll.

May he Rock in Peace!
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sitchin was a big fat stupid walrus man

FACT
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Zecharia Sitchin is a delusional fool that believes in little green men. His books are nothing more than entertainment for stupid people like most of you who read this forum.

You are all bat-shit crazy like me. We're all alike in many ways more than one way to skin a cat.

I've had some root devil juice water and was so fucked up that I puked out a new galaxy and named it the milkyway galaxy.

I drank milk with vodka and lived to sing about it. Tupac is Elvis. They killed Elvis and Tupac. Elvis died for our sins so that we may Rock N' Roll.

May he Rock in Peace!
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specialstupidPlease go away !
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"You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.”
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Your actions are so transparent any more. laugh
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And yours aren't?


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Sitchin wasn't the translator. He took the works of the respected greats of Sumerology, like Samuel Noah Kramer, compared them to the Biblical and Egyptian accounts and speculated on their meaning. His ideas are fascinating, but anybody who accuses him of "mistranslating" hasn't bothered to read the footnotes.
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Sitchin's truths are just half truths. He did his job to get ya!

OT *autocorrect error fix??

Is that itself a glitch in the matrix.

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