Thousands of people raised from the dead with medical technology have a common experience: they encounter a Being of LIGHT AND LOVE

Yep. I think that many of our 'fears of the unknown' are actually fears of what we experienced in a different lifetime. But, like you said, because our memories are wiped we don't remember the details.

Good reason to face the fear/s, whatever that may be, and in doing so, it not only wipes out the fear/s, it also helps us realize the hardest part was worrying about it in the first place.

It's very weird about 'courage'. We may say, "oh I don't have the courage to do that". The only way to GET courage is to face the fear/s. Courage comes AFTER we face those. Courage does not come in any other way. So then we have courage to face the next, and the next. Odd how that works.

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According to Facts by Anthony Borgia, no being can put on a veneer of light that he does not earn or deserve, something like that.
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That there is one who is indisputably the Prince of Evil—no, he simply does not exist...there is no such person as the devil. But in the sense that all evil people in the realms of darkness can be called devils, then there are many devils.

The acts and thoughts of our earthly lives are registered within us, and thus our life’s history is indelibly recorded within our never-failing memories.

Spirituality means light; the absence of spirituality means darkness. I am not speaking figuratively, but literally. The light is real light, just as you have on earth in the noonday of summer, and is not some spiritual ‘experience.’
The darkness is Stygian, the complete absence of light, and it can be blacker even than the darkness of the darkest
midnight of a bleak and bitter winter on earth, or of some deep tenebrous dungeon below the ground.

You will observe the monumental stupidity of Orthodoxy when, in its blindness, it pontifically pronounces that when we of the spirit world return to earth to speak with our friends there, we are nothing but devils of hell masquerading as angels of light! There is no such masquerading here, I do assure you, my good friend.

Nowhere in the spirit world is it possible for any person, of whatever description, to assume one scintilla of light which is not completely and absolutely his own. No person can endow another with light, temporarily or permanently. The light, which emanates from us, is the result of the working of the law of cause and effect—which is justice.

Facts, by Anthony Borgia
[link to www.ghostcircle.com]

Anthony Borgia: Medium for a 'Dead' Priest
[link to website.lineone.net]

I get what you are saying about light.

I do believe though, that we can carry light to others, help them 'light their own flame', and then they take it from there to further help themselves. They can in turn, take their flame of light and help others as well.

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Indeed it's not and I bet that very few of these people knew the Lord before they had their NDE. You are being set up big time.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

While I have no doubt that NDE's do happen and that the experiencers really do have these things happen to them, there's one thing about all of these NDE things that has bothered me for a long time.

If it is true - as I believe it is - that we are spirits having a human experience rather than the other way around, and if it is also true - as most spiritual leaders, gurus, etc. claim - that we have free will, why is it that they all say that they "had to" go back? By whose order? Who makes that decision, and why do these people allow that decision to be made for them?

If we have free will, we don't "have to" do a damn thing that anyone else wants us to do in spite of any coercive messages or communications from some unknown entity. If we do in fact have the freedom of will to decide for ourselves, why do so many people insist that we as powerful souls in our own right "have to" comply with arbitrary and vague notions about timing that are never adequately explained? Why can't it be my time if I want it to be? Who is this entity or group of entities that claim jurisdiction over us, and why do we "have to" do anything they say or ask? We have free will, dammit! *I* will decide if it's my time or if I go back, not some unnamed, unknown, unknowable, possibly alien, and definitely never explained entity.

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Well, I've "been there, done that" and I was surprised. Before, I believed you're born, you live and then you die. That's it. But I still practiced the Golden Rule just because it's a decent way to live. Then bingo. Heart attack. Flat lined three times.

First time I flat lined I had a NDE. No hell (I should have gone there according to the religion I had been raised in that I eventually rejected), no judgement. Only enlightenment, and the enlightenment I received (it seemed to have come from within) is that it doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe...unconditional love is the only thing that matters.

Don't believe me? If not, I support you in your disbelief because no one should take someone's word without tangible evidence, of which I really have none except to myself in what I'd experienced.

YOUR FAVORITE DESCRIPTION OF YOURSELF?

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:14

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

John 8:44 - Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Psalms 115:17 - The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

I don't believe we fully developed spirits here, and we also are not fully grown and mature there as well. Still learning and growing.

We have free will here in the physical to some extent considering there are laws, police, parents, physical limitations, etc.
There are natural laws and rules in the spirit world too and free will might not be the same there as here.

Here's one take on this: If we stay there and have a lot of development left to do, then someone(s) there would need to help and teach us. They already have their work cut out for them with all the sudden unexpected as well as scheduled new arrivals they deal with every day.

So with someone who doesn't HAVE to be there yet, it's easier to encourage them to go back to their unfinished life on earth rather than start showing them around and teaching them at the lower grades, they might as learn that on earth since their body is still viable and can support life.

Earth life is the primary school, so stay here until you've learned all you can or until your body calls it quits.

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Not sure where you're coming from with that. But the answer would be... nope.

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I agree that until we return to the Universal One, we are *all* still learning, including those on the other side.



I respectfully disagree with the second part of that. We were created with free will, period. There is nothing anywhere in any writing that says there are any limitations on it there.



I can't imagine that with the billions of souls available that it would be or is any more difficult there to find someone to us teach the things we are supposedly here to learn. I've read in many places that we learn much more quickly here, but honestly, outside of this plane, time doesn't exist, so what's the rush? If it takes me the equivalent of a billion or more earth years to learn it over there, so what? I'm not going anywhere, so why push so hard?



First, no one "has to" be anywhere. It's that free will thing, ya see. Second, encouraging someone to return is far different than saying "you must go back!" No, no, I mustn't. I don't want to, and as it's my choice and my free will, you can't bloody well make me, so PBTTHHHH! (yeah, I know...that was childish, but it was fun. )



I don't agree that this planet or plane or whatever you want to call it is primary school. I think we're told that to keep us immature and uneducated so we don't question it, but I don't believe that's true. It takes a very strong soul to deal with the things here, and in my opinion, primary schoolers simply don't have what it takes to handle it. And frankly, I'm just tired. I've read in lots of places (many of them in NDE reports) that part of our purpose here is to have fun and enjoy it. Well, I'm not doing either anymore, but you're (not you, of course, but whatever entity does this) going to tell me I have to stay anyway? F**k that.

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Psalms 115:17 - The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
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Matthew 22:29-33
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God ... But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you [the Jews], 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." When the crowds heard this, they were astonished.

The Jewish crowds were astonished because their Jewish religious teachers taught them - as in your above quotes - that after death people remained dead (in the present age). Jesus contradicted the Jewish teaching, saying that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - who died hundreds of years earlier - were alive.

Jesus also contradicted that Jewish teaching in Matthew 17:1-5:
Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves ... Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

Here Jesus contradicted the Jewish teaching that the dead remained dead, because Moses and Elijah were alive here talking with Jesus.

Matthew 17 continues, "While he was still speaking, a BRIGHT cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I LOVE ... Listen to him!” The voice from the BRIGHT cloud said that this was his Son whom he LOVES. That BRIGHT cloud appears to be the same being of BRIGHT LIGHT AND LOVE that spoke to the resuscitated people.


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John 8:44 - Ye are of [your] father the devil
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[link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] :
Matthew 12:31-32: “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man [Jesus] will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” ...

Jesus ... was talking specifically to Pharisees who had personally witnessed his miracle of completely and instantly healing a blind and mute demon-possessed man (Matthew 12:22). Rather than acknowledging the obvious fact that Jesus was exercising divine powers, the Pharisees were so spiritually depraved that they attributed his power to Satan (v. 24) ... “Their problem was not blind ignorance, but willful rejection,” pointed out Cornish. “That deliberate refusal to believe, even though knowing the truth, seems to be what Jesus called the unforgivable sin.”

As the Quest Study Bible puts it, “Jesus gave the solemn warning in these verses to people whose hard-hardheartedness placed them on the brink of disaster. Blasphemy against the Spirit evidently is not just a one-time offense; rather, it is an ongoing attitude that continually resists, rejects ... This is what makes it, in effect, an eternal sin (Mark 3:29).
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1 John in the Bible's says that GOD IS LOVE (1 John 4,8 and elsewhere); and 1 John 1:5 says "God is LIGHT". The Bible says that God is LIGHT and God is LOVE. Both the Bible and thousands of resuscitated people say that God is a being of LIGHT AND LOVE.

Dr. Raymond A Moody was the first person to systematically research NDEs. He coined the term NDE - referring to the experiences of people raised from the dead with modern medical resuscitation techniques after they've been declared clinically dead - when their heart and brain stopped functioning. In 1965 as a student at the University of Virginia he met Dr. George Ritchie, a clinical professor of psychiatry in the School of Medicine. Dr. Ritchie told Moody and a group of other students about his experience before he was resuscitated after being declared dead in a World War II military hospital. Dr. Ritchie's NDE experience later inspired Moody to begin researching NDEs. In 1975 Moody published the classic book based on his research, "Life After Life". Here are excerpts from his book, "The Light Beyond":
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"My first NDE child came to me as a surprise while I was a resident in a Georgia hospital. I was performing a routine examination on a patient I'll call Sam, a nine-year-old who almost died the previous year from a cardiac arrest due to an adrenal gland disease. I was chatting with him about his illness when he shyly volunteered: 'About a year ago, I died.'"

"I began to coax him about his experience. He told me that after he died, he floated out of his body and looked down as the doctor pushed on his chest to restart his heart. [This is a common experience of resuscitated people]. Sam, in his altered state, tried to get the doctor to quit hitting him, but the doctor wouldn't pay attention."

"At that point, Sam had the experience of moving upward very rapidly and seeing the earth fall away below him. He then passed through a dark tunnel [this is a common experience of resuscitated people] and was met on the other side by a group of 'angels.' I asked him if these angels had wings and he said no. [If his mind was regurgitating images of angels bombarded into his psyche by American & Christian culture, you would expect him to see angels with wings, since in our culture angels are always shown with wings. This is evidence that the angels were real and not a subjective product of his memory]. 'They were glowing,' he said, luminescent [angels aren't pictured this way in our culture - additional evidence the angels were real and not a subjective product of his memory[] and all of them seemed to LOVE him very much."

"Everything in this place was filled with light, he said. Yet through it all, he saw beautiful, pastoral scenes. This heavenly place was surrounded by a fence. He was told by the angels that if he went beyond the fence he wouldn't be able to return to life. He was then told by a being of light (Sam called him God) that he had to go back." .

'I didn't want to go back but he made me,' said Sam." [This is a common experience of resuscitated people]
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people need to read what you wrote

MESSAGE TO HATERS:
Might people who HATE LOVE try to distance themselves from the being of LIGHT and LOVE - hiding themselves in the dark far away from the LIGHT AND LOVE? This correlates with Jesus Christ's definition of hell - the place of "outer darkness", where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth"
[link to en.wikipedia.org] .



IT REALLY DOES SOUND BIZARRE, DOESN'T IT?
But medical researchers did numerous scientific studies that prove: many people raised from the dead with medical resuscitation techniques have a common experience - encountering a being of intense LIGHT and LOVE, who they know is God - who sometimes communicates telepathically to tell them it's not their "time", and that they have to go back. The first person to to study resuscitated people was Dr. Raymond A. Moody, MD. He published a classic book about their experiences in 1975. (link to free eBook version [link to bookdir.info] ). Other researchers subsequently confirmed Dr. Moody's findings. Moody published another excellent book on his research. (link to free eBook version [link to bookdir.info] ).

Not mentioned in the original post - something else is common to many resuscitated people: their experience convinces them that by far the most important thing in life is LOVE.

Researchers found that resuscitated peoples' experiences are very different from experiences induced by chemicals. Many other studies have been done to address other issues that have been brought up. Researchers can't find a natural explanation for the resuscitated peoples' experiences.

There is one experience that you can analyze yourself without research subjects or laboratory: Numerous resuscitated people have the exact same experience - being told telepathically by the LIGHT that its not their "time", and that they have to go back - (meaning they have to go back into their bodies and return to the life they were living). What is the statistical probability that this exact same message is given to so many people? by a Being of the exact same description? In dreams, hallucinations, or drug-induced altered states of consciousness - THE ODDS ARE ZERO that multiple people would be told the same message.

The traditional image of the Christian God is NOT a being of LIGHT AND LOVE - this is BIZARRE to most Christians - so BIZARRE that some fundamentalist Christians say the being of LIGHT AND LOVE is demonic. The fantasies of God programmed into most Christians minds come mostly from religious paintings - for example, Michaelangelo's famous painting on the Vatican's Sistine Chapel ceiling in Rome - God "the Father" depicted as an old man with white flowing hair and beard creating naked Adam and Eve; and Jesus, God's Son - equal to God in most Christian denominations - almost always pictured as a young man in a robe with long hair and a beard. You would expect resuscitated people to encounter a God similar to these images bombarded into their psyches since childhood. BUT THEY ENCOUNTER SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT - an intense LIGHT radiating intense LOVE that penetrates through their bodies and talks to them telepathically. This is NOT the god that American and European cultures bombarded them with throughout their lives.

A subset of resuscitated people encounter more that just the being of LIGHT AND LOVE. A subset of resuscitated people also encounter a landscape - flowers, grass, and trees - and people - that emit light similar to the way fireflies emit light. If resuscitated people's minds were regurgitating the environment programmed into their psyches during their lifetimes, then they would NOT be expected to see luminous plants and luminous people. This is also not typical of Christian imagery.

The fact that resuscitated people don't typically see the imagery programmed into their minds since childhood - but something very different and hard to visualize - is evidence that what they encounter is not a product of their memory - but is an objective reality.

In the end only the ones who have died....and stayed dead are the only ones who know what bappens afger we die.

There are pdf books on life after death at this website
[link to new-birth.net]

Getting the Hell out of here by Geoff Cutler
[link to new-birth.net]

Life in the World Unseen by Anthony Borgia
[link to new-birth.net]

Through the Mists by R.J.Lees
[link to new-birth.net]

Letters from a Living Dead Man
[link to new-birth.net]

Good points!

The Sorcery involked by the medical deities, sure has created a lot of zombies.

The first person to to study resuscitated people was Dr. Raymond A. Moody, MD. He published a classic book about their experiences in 1975. (link to free eBook version [link to bookdir.info] ). Other researchers confirmed his work. Moody published another excellent book on his research, "The Light Beyond" (link to free eBook version [link to bookdir.info] ). An excerpt from that book was posted previously on page 2 of this thread. Here are more excerpts from that book. (I capitalized some of the following words to emphasize that they refer to the being of LIGHT AND LOVE; and the words inside the brackets "[]" are mine) :

“Another child who speaks longingly of his NDE is a boy I’ll call Jason. He had an NDE after being hit by a car while riding his bicycle. I spoke to him when he was fourteen, three years after his event.
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'I was in THE LIGHT for a long time. It seemed like a long time. I felt everyone LOVED me there. Everyone was happy. I feel that THE LIGHT was God. The tunnel whirled up to THE LIGHT like a whirlpool. [A common experience of resuscitated people]. I didn’t know why I was in the tunnel or where I was going. I wanted to get to that LIGHT. When I was in THE LIGHT I didn’t want to go back.
When I was going up in the tunnel two people were helping me. I saw them as they got out into THE LIGHT. They were with me the whole way.

When I woke up I told the doctor I saw him when he put the paddles on my chest. I tried to tell my mother too, but no one wanted to hear it. I told my teacher in class one day and she told you.

Moody: Jason, what do you make of all this? I mean, this happened to you three years ago. Has it changed you in any way? What do you think it means?

Jason: Well I have thought a lot about it. To me I died. I saw the place where you go when you die ... When I learned there is that the most important thing is LOVING while you are alive. Last year a boy in my class died. He had leukemia. Nobody wanted to talk about it but I said that Don is okay where he is, that death is not that big a thing. I told them about when I died, and that is why my teacher told you.

Moody: Jason, did you notice anything about the people in the tunnel with you?

Jason: The two people with me in the tunnel helped me as soon a I got there. I didn’t know where I was exactly but I wanted to get to that LIGHT at the end. They told me I would be okay and they would take me into THE LIGHT. I could feel LOVE from them. I didn’t see their faces, just shapes in the tunnel. When we got into THE LIGHT I could see their faces. This is hard to explain because this is very different from life in the world. I don’t have any word for it. It was like they were wearing very white robes. Everything was lighted. [A common experience for a subset of resuscitated people - encountering luminescent people, plants, etc. that emit light similar to the way fireflies emit light].

Moody: You said they talked to you. What did they say?

Jason: No. I could tell what they were thinking and they could tell what I was thinking.' [A common experience of resuscitated people - telepathic communication, including conversations with the being of LIGHT AND LOVE].
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"The Being of LIGHT radiates total LOVE and understanding. So much so, that most people want to be with it forever.

But they can't. At this point they are told, usually by the Being of LIGHT , that they have to return. But first it's his job to take them on a life review.

This ... doesn't occur in time as we know it. The closest description I've heard of it is that the person's whole life is there at once.

In this situation, you not only see every action that you have ever done, but you also perceive immediately the effects of every single one of your actions upon the people in your life.

So, for instance, if I see myself doing an unloving act, then immediately I am in the consciousness of the person I did that act to, so I feel their sadness, hurt, and regret.

On the other hand if I do a loving act to someone, then I am immediately in their place and I can feel the kind and happy feelings.

Through all of this, the Being is with those people, asking them what good they have done with their lives. He helps them through this review and helps them put all the events of their life in perspective.

All of the people who go through this come away believing that the most important thing in their life is LOVE."

Sorry for a mistake in my previous post with excerpts from Raymond Moody's book, "The Light Beyond" about resuscitated people's experiences.

Here is the part with the mistake corrected:

Moody: Jason, what do you make of all this? I mean, this happened to you three years ago. Has it changed you in any way? What do you think it means?

Jason: Well I have thought a lot about it. To me I died. I saw the place where you go when you die ... What I learned there is that the most important thing is LOVING while you are alive.

That could be being as I've been bombarded by this crap for years and it fits right in with the lies I've been sold over the years too. It's to bad the type of studies I mentioned would be swept under a carpet when it was found that these UNbiased participants didn't see what the religiosos so desperately want them to see.