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This mission is pretty cool, and I wish that NASA and the ESA (or JAXA, or anyone) would send more probes like this to a variety of comets and asteroids (I'm especially interested in 90 Antiope because of it's binary nature).
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Yes 90 Antiope is an interesting one, they seem to be orbiting so closely.

I loved the discovery of the tiny moon Dactyl orbiting around 243 Ida by the Galileo probe, asteroid moons may turn out to be quite common.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The best thing about Antiope is that there are two figures in Greek mythology who it could have been named after, but no agreement as to which one was meant, which became a brilliantly hilarious coincidence when they found it was binary.
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This mission is pretty cool, and I wish that NASA and the ESA (or JAXA, or anyone) would send more probes like this to a variety of comets and asteroids (I'm especially interested in 90 Antiope because of it's binary nature).
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Yes 90 Antiope is an interesting one, they seem to be orbiting so closely.

I loved the discovery of the tiny moon Dactyl orbiting around 243 Ida by the Galileo probe, asteroid moons may turn out to be quite common.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The best thing about Antiope is that there are two figures in Greek mythology who it could have been named after, but no agreement as to which one was meant, which became a brilliantly hilarious coincidence when they found it was binary.
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That's funny, but there may even be 7 of them to choose from !

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

If you like asteroid missions Dawn is visiting the dwarf planet Ceres ( largest asteroid ) next March, look out for that one.

[link to www.nasa.gov]

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Well this comet doesn't get any prettier the closer you get.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

This interpolated NAVCAM image is taken from around 300km from 67P. Landing on that is not going to be easy. Wednesday is officially arrival day, when Rosetta will be within 100km of 67P and it begins a challenging schedule of manoeuvres to establish it in orbit around the comet.

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When Rosetta arrives at comet 67P tomorrow the focus will be on establishing Rosetta in a stable orbit around 67P. Pretty soon it will begin to gather information about the comets properties from a battery of 11 instruments.

[link to www.esa.int]

These will be supplemented by ten more when the Philae probe lands on the surface. We really are going to revolutionise our understanding of comets and the early solar system.

Rosetta arrives at comet 67P tomorrow, it is 212 km and 1,326 teravolts away.

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ESA have released the rendezvous schedule for tomorrow. The orbit insertion burn will take place at 09:00 UTC, that is when Rosetta has officially arrived at comet 67P

[link to www.esa.int]

If you are wondering what the triangular orbit is all about, have a look here.




[link to www.youtube.com]

So tomorrow is the big day 09:00 UTC ( 05:00 EDT ). I still want to hear from and electric comet fans as to when the lightning sparks are going to fly.

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Nice, thanks for keeping us updated OP! 5*!
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Nice, thanks for keeping us updated OP! 5*!
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Thanks KipKat. After tomorrow I will probably post less often here. It's going to be a long mission with lots of quiet news days in between big events or discoveries. I will try and keep the thread going. Once Rosetta features in the mainstream news, we will probably see some Rosetta conspiracy theories on GLP too.

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Well this comet doesn't get any prettier the closer you get.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

This interpolated NAVCAM image is taken from around 300km from 67P. Landing on that is not going to be easy. Wednesday is officially arrival day, when Rosetta will be within 100km of 67P and it begins a challenging schedule of manoeuvres to establish it in orbit around the comet.

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Astonishing image.
Am looking forward to a new image today hopefully.
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Nice, thanks for keeping us updated OP! 5*!
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Thanks KipKat. After tomorrow I will probably post lest often here. It's going to be a long mission with lots of quiet news days in between big events or discoveries. I will try and keep the thread going. Once Rosetta features in the mainstream news, we will probably see some Rosetta conspiracy theories on GLP too.

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Pinned it for you to get more attention to it!
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Well this comet doesn't get any prettier the closer you get.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

This interpolated NAVCAM image is taken from around 300km from 67P. Landing on that is not going to be easy. Wednesday is officially arrival day, when Rosetta will be within 100km of 67P and it begins a challenging schedule of manoeuvres to establish it in orbit around the comet.

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Astonishing image.
Am looking forward to a new image today hopefully.
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Your wish is their command. Here is yesterdays NAVCAM image, taken from around 234km from 67P. It's really starting to show surface detail now.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

Last weeks narrow angle OSIRIS picture was pretty good.

[link to imgur.com (secure)]

If they stick to the same release schedule then the one this Thursday will have ten times the resolution! Really looking forward to that one.

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Well this comet doesn't get any prettier the closer you get.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

This interpolated NAVCAM image is taken from around 300km from 67P. Landing on that is not going to be easy. Wednesday is officially arrival day, when Rosetta will be within 100km of 67P and it begins a challenging schedule of manoeuvres to establish it in orbit around the comet.

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Astonishing image.
Am looking forward to a new image today hopefully.
 Quoting: TheWatcher-Anonymous Hero


Your wish is their command. Here is yesterdays NAVCAM image, taken from around 234km from 67P. It's really starting to show surface detail now.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

Last weeks narrow angle OSIRIS picture was pretty good.

[link to imgur.com (secure)]

If they stick to the same release schedule then the one this Thursday will have ten times the resolution! Really looking forward to that one.

K
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Very cool.
Doesn't look like there are too many ideal landing spots.
Thanks for keeping us updated!
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Nice, thanks for keeping us updated OP! 5*!
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Thanks KipKat. After tomorrow I will probably post lest often here. It's going to be a long mission with lots of quiet news days in between big events or discoveries. I will try and keep the thread going. Once Rosetta features in the mainstream news, we will probably see some Rosetta conspiracy theories on GLP too.

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Pinned it for you to get more attention to it!
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cheers Thanks mate! Keep an eye out for updates from ESA tomorrow, they will probably have a big news conference and hopefully some more images released.

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Jimi Hendrix right again!
"They cannot see what's-up if They are looking down." (TastyThoughts)
"Something is smelly! Something is smelly, like an old barnacle encrusted shoe washing ashore in the middle of summer." (TastyThoughts)
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here is the comet filmed it myself

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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That's not a Comet, this is a Comet



[link to www.youtube.com]

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That's not a Comet, this is Comet

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Well this comet doesn't get any prettier the closer you get.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

This interpolated NAVCAM image is taken from around 300km from 67P. Landing on that is not going to be easy. Wednesday is officially arrival day, when Rosetta will be within 100km of 67P and it begins a challenging schedule of manoeuvres to establish it in orbit around the comet.

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Astonishing image.
Am looking forward to a new image today hopefully.
 Quoting: TheWatcher-Anonymous Hero


Your wish is their command. Here is yesterdays NAVCAM image, taken from around 234km from 67P. It's really starting to show surface detail now.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

Last weeks narrow angle OSIRIS picture was pretty good.

[link to imgur.com (secure)]

If they stick to the same release schedule then the one this Thursday will have ten times the resolution! Really looking forward to that one.

K
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Very cool.
Doesn't look like there are too many ideal landing spots.
Thanks for keeping us updated!
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Yes, they want to land somewhere interesting from the science point of view, but not too challenging. The whole mission is wildly ambitious. Here is the bizarre shape of the comet.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

Rosetta has to close to within a few km of the surface to release the Philae lander. Apart form the strange shape they also have to deal with the fact the comet is rotating. Each frame in this animation is 20 minutes.

[link to www.esa.int]

When the probe lands on the surface there is almost no gravity to keep it there, so it's going to fire two harpoons into the surface. How many things could go wrong ?

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Could you jump onto a comet ?

Watch as a physicist sucks all the fun out of this child's question.

[link to blogs.esa.int]

Interesting to note that if you walked in the direction the comet was rotating in, you would immediately reach escape velocity and disappear off into space forever.

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It would be an enormous achievement if they succeed in landing on that. This must be the most difficult landing ever attempted!
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It would be an enormous achievement if they succeed in landing on that. This must be the most difficult landing ever attempted!
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I think it is one of the most difficult space missions ever attempted. Rosetta has been on its way for ten years, has performed close flybys of the Earth and Mars as well as asteroids Steins and Lutetia. It's been in hibernation for months and it still has its most difficult stages to come.

The Japanese had a comparable mission around 2005 called Hyabusa. Hyabusa was a sample return mission to the asteroid Itokawa. In the sample and landing phase just about everything went wrong, including losing their lander into deep space when it was released at the wrong point. The mission as a whole was a triumph though.

[link to www.isas.jaxa.jp]

Philae's landing is going to be even tougher. No one knows what the surface composition is like. They may find hard silicate rock that the harpoons can't penetrate, or ices that sublimate away, taking the lander with them. It could be a thick layer of dust, I have even heard comets described as having the consistency of cigarette ash. If ever thing works in the mission, I will be amazed.

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here is the comet filmed it myself

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That's not a Comet, this is a Comet



[link to www.youtube.com]

tounge

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That's not a Comet, this is Comet


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Actually, THIS is a Comet

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They say it would allow us know where earth came from. As if we (or those in the knowing) don't know this already. Hmmmm!!! So what is so special about tomorrow or this probe meeting up with the comet?

Rosetta Meaning: The name Rosetta Stone is now applied to just about any type of key used to unlock a mystery. Even more familiar may be a popular series of computer-based language-learning programs using the term Rosetta Stone as a registered trademark. Among its growing list of languages is Arabic, but, alas, no hieroglyphs.

9th of Av is when they say Israel is attacked the most. This falls between today and tomorrow.

Tomorrow is when the satellite meets the comet. MSM, after a prolonged period of silence, resurrects MH370 again. They say Malaysian Navy is heading to the South Indian Ocean to look for it.

Thread: Airline Industry Incidents - Wanna Know Why Its Happening? Magnetic Reversal Occurring Soon?

Talking about hieroglyphs with origins in Egypt and Hamas meeting Israel in Egypt around this period of a 72 hour ceasefire. And the person that chairs this meeting is El A Sisi or ISIS in reverse. The Pharaoh.

Will tomorrow be a big day? David Rockefeller Speaks of a Window of Opportunity to create the NWO. We get reminded yesterday of how terrorists could hack airlines. Today we hear of an event involving a bomb on an airliner in UK. Is there anything in stock for tomorrow?

Thread: The NWO Agenda, Terror Related Incidents and An Imminent Global Transformation

Thread: Esoteric Insight behind the chaos in the World.

Just a thought.

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They can't land on the comet.

Why? Because comets are highly charged because of the high elleptical orbit. The potential difference between the lander and the comet is HUGE.

Even when it lands softly, it will explode with a HUGE ELECTRIC FLASH.
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They can't land on the comet.

Why? Because comets are highly charged because of the high elleptical orbit. The potential difference between the lander and the comet is HUGE.

Even when it lands softly, it will explode with a HUGE ELECTRIC FLASH.
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So, if it does successfully land, will you reconsider your "electric universe" nosense, or will you just find some new excuse to explain why there is no discharge, explosion etc?

The whole EU "theory" (it really doesn't deserve that name) is a badly put together collection of ideas which have no proper basis in science, no measurements to back them up, and no properly testable hypotheses. It's time you gave up on it...
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They can't land on the comet.

Why? Because comets are highly charged because of the high elleptical orbit. The potential difference between the lander and the comet is HUGE.

Even when it lands softly, it will explode with a HUGE ELECTRIC FLASH.
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Well that's the story that electric comet people like. I am glad you came along. I have written about electric comets in this thread already, here.

Thread: Rosetta Comet Orbiter ** Landing site selection Video 0.4g cm-3 ** Smell the comet !** Fun with Jets ** Rosetta gets great mileage ** 174 Tvolts (Page 2)

and here

Thread: Rosetta Comet Orbiter ** Landing site selection Video 0.4g cm-3 ** Smell the comet !** Fun with Jets ** Rosetta gets great mileage ** 174 Tvolts (Page 2)

and if you look in the thread title I update the voltage needed to zap Rosetta each day as it approaches. So Could you please make a prediction about the distance or voltage the zap will happen at, oh and give yourself a username or nick so you can come back later and see how you did.

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They can't land on the comet.

Why? Because comets are highly charged because of the high elleptical orbit. The potential difference between the lander and the comet is HUGE.

Even when it lands softly, it will explode with a HUGE ELECTRIC FLASH.
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So, if it does successfully land, will you reconsider your "electric universe" nosense, or will you just find some new excuse to explain why there is no discharge, explosion etc?

The whole EU "theory" (it really doesn't deserve that name) is a badly put together collection of ideas which have no proper basis in science, no measurements to back them up, and no properly testable hypotheses. It's time you gave up on it...
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I think the Rosetta mission is the perfect test for the electric comet belief. Rosetta is closing in with 67P and in November the Philae lander will hopefully land on the surface so according to electric comet we should see a large electric discharge at some point. Electric comet people claim that the deep impact imaptor was destroyed by a huge spark. They like to call electric comet a theory so it must make strong predictions and be falsifiable, here is the experiment, lets see what happens.

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That's no moon and neither a "dirty snowball"!

The forthcoming discoveries of the Rosetta / Philae spacecraft are hopefully the keystone for deciphering the mysterious electrical signatures - at least for Newtonian astrophysicists.

[link to blogs.esa.int]
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ESA is reminding us of the mission highlights today, they originally released this before Rosetta was woken from hibernation.



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That's no moon and neither a "dirty snowball"!

The forthcoming discoveries of the Rosetta / Philae spacecraft are hopefully the keystone for deciphering the mysterious electrical signatures - at least for Newtonian astrophysicists.

[link to blogs.esa.int]
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You can read here

Thread: Rosetta Comet Orbiter ** Landing site selection Video 0.4g cm-3 ** Smell the comet !** Fun with Jets ** Rosetta gets great mileage ** 174 Tvolts (Page 2)

for some of the more recent thinking on comet composition.

Whipple's original paper does seem to imply he thought comet's surfaces would be dry and dusty.

I'm guessing from your reference to electrical signatures you are electric comet believer. You are welcome to have a guess as to when Rosetta will be destroyed by the giant spark.

As for Newtonian mechanics being questionable ( I think that 's what you are saying ), you do realise that Newtonian mechanics has delivered Rosetta after 10 years, 5 months and 6 billion kilometres to the exact point in space they planned over 15 years ago for a rendezvous with a comet travelling at over 15km/s . Electro statics have played no part in that calculation.

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Whipple's original paper does seem to imply he though comet's surfaces would be dry and dusty.

[...] when Rosetta will be destroyed by the giant spark.

As for Newtonian mechanics being questionable [...]
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Good to read that Whipple did not invented that fluffy snow ball theory!

Some are indeed predicting an electrical discharge between the Philae lander and the comet core. Though I'm not excluding that, I don't think it will be a dangerous discharge as the lander approaches very slowly with leaving enough time for charge equilization.

Newtonian physics is sufficient for many aspects of space travel but it cannot explain for instance the orbiting velocity of stars within a galaxy or the acceleration of the solar wind with further distance from the solar surface.
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Whipple's original paper does seem to imply he though comet's surfaces would be dry and dusty.

[...] when Rosetta will be destroyed by the giant spark.

As for Newtonian mechanics being questionable [...]
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Good to read that Whipple did not invented that fluffy snow ball theory!

Some are indeed predicting an electrical discharge between the Philae lander and the comet core. Though I'm not excluding that, I don't think it will be a dangerous discharge as the lander approaches very slowly with leaving enough time for charge equilization.
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I'm afraid you can't have that. The vacuum of space is a strong dielectric material, otherwise we wouldn't have vacuum capacitors. The inner coma is not ionised so if you believe in electric comets then you will have a big dielectric breakdown event. Have the courage of your convictions and be the first to predict a voltage or distance. Here is some background to help you choose.

Thread: Rosetta Comet Orbiter ** Landing site selection Video 0.4g cm-3 ** Smell the comet !** Fun with Jets ** Rosetta gets great mileage ** 174 Tvolts (Page 2)

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Thread: Rosetta Comet Orbiter ** Landing site selection Video 0.4g cm-3 ** Smell the comet !** Fun with Jets ** Rosetta gets great mileage ** 174 Tvolts (Page 2)

Newtonian physics is sufficient for many aspects of space travel but it cannot explain for instance the orbiting velocity of stars within a galaxy
 Quoting: McKracken


Well it predicts it just fine, just as it always has. The square of the orbital period is proportional to the cube of the radius. What I think you wanted to say is that we don't yet know the source of mass in galaxies halos, which is true. Two things we do know, MOND is unlikely to be an answer to the question as observations of Bullet cluster show.

[link to arxiv.org]

Electro static forces can play no part at all. In a plasma medium the maximum distance of electro static effects is limited by the Debye length, in the solar system this is limited to a few metres, in intergalactic space, a few hundred kilometres. Beyond those distances there is no net effect. It is possible to extend those distances through atmospheric or magnetic charge separation effects, but that doesn't extend to orbital distances.

or the acceleration of the solar wind with further distance from the solar surface.
 Quoting: McKracken


The emission of the solar wind is a complex phenomenon, that I can't speak about with any degree of confidence, I hope you find what you need here.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

You should be aware that the solar wind is a quasi ( net ) neutral plasma. This means that is has a balance of charges. Direct measurements of this fact have been made since the early sixties and continue to this day. This neutrality is in direct opposition of predictions of electric universe people.

K

Last Edited by K Hall on 08/05/2014 07:27 PM
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Re: Rosetta Comet Orbiter ** Landing site selection Video 0.4g cm-3 ** Smell the comet !** Fun with Jets ** Rosetta gets great mileage ** 174 Tvolts
I wish I knew about this earlier, anyway here is the Rosetta FAQ.

[link to www.esa.int]

Tomorrow, from 08:00 UTC ESA will be streaming the rendezvous live.

[link to rosetta.esa.int]

K
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