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Question For Bible Believing Christians... Is God in Control of This Disastrous World We Live In ?

 
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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No, he only helps when you call on him, have you read the Bible, and the Old Testament? Elisha ask him, it had to do with why he did not help the people during a bad earthquake. What was did God say, They did not ask, they did not call on him.

Satan take full advantage of tragedies, God give us space, he does not but in where he is not wanted.
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
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No the devil is,
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
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Am I to take from that you are saying God is in control of all this mess ?
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Satan, i.e., the Adversary is in control of this lower reality.
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No the devil is,
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This is the correct answer according to the Bible. Glad to see someone who believes the bible as truth.

The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." And the Bible identifies him, saying: "The one called Devil and Satan . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth."—1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9.

On an occasion when Jesus was "tempted by the Devil," Jesus did not question Satan's role as the ruler of this world. The Bible explains what happened: "The Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him: 'All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.' Then Jesus said to him: 'Go away, Satan!'"—Matthew 4:1, 8-10.

Think about this. Satan tempted Jesus by offering him "all the kingdoms of the world." Yet, would Satan's offer have been a real temptation if Satan was not actually the ruler of these kingdoms? No, it would not. And note, Jesus did not deny that all these worldly governments were Satan's, which he would have done if Satan did not have power over them. So, then, Satan the Devil really is the unseen ruler of the world! The Bible, in fact, calls him "the god of this system of things." (2 Corinthians 4:4) Yet, how did such a wicked person ever come into this powerful position?
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
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Since it appears you do not know what the bible that you show a hand on taking an oath under really teaches....

Here is what the bible really teaches about this topic:

(John 12:31) . . .Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. . .

(John 14:29-30) . . .. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me. . .

(John 16:10-11) 10 then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and YOU will behold me no longer; 11 then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

these are in harmony with what Satan himself said when tempting Jesus:-----(Luke 4:5-8) 5 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7 You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” 8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
You will note Jesus never says they are not Satan's to give, just that it is Jehovah you should worship. Also, it would hardly be a temptation to Jesus if Satan didn't actually have rulership to give him.

One other scripture is from apostle John: (1 John 5:19) 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

Other translations, including the Authorized Version, render the Greek word arkhegós as “author,” instead of “Chief Agent,” at Hebrews 12:2 but this is neither accurate nor in harmony with other scriptures. The derivation of this word has the thought of being chief or first in order of time or rank. That is true of Christ Jesus, but it does not make him the author or originator of life or of salvation. He was not, as trinitarians believe, the author or beginner of creation, but, as stated at Revelation 3:14, he was “the beginning of the creation by God,” that is, the first one to be created by God, the Creator. This is in harmony with the clear expression of the relative positions of Jehovah and Christ Jesus as we read at 1 Corinthians 8:6: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are.” In other words, there is the one Source, Jehovah, who uses many agents, but who has made his beloved Son, Christ Jesus, his Chief Agent. Hebrews 12:2 "as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
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Think of God like a very bad parent. If your child was walking into traffic you would rush to save/stop the child. God says you should know better. The first error was assume a God. Don't reach that conclusion, assume. Then assume the bible proves your assumption. Then assume anyone with a different view is a Satan minion or stupid or blind. Then twist natural, common and rare, events as "signs & wonders"
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe the disastrous world has something to do with judgement?
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
 Quoting: Oath


Since it appears you do not know what the bible that you show a hand on taking an oath under really teaches....

Here is what the bible really teaches about this topic:

(John 12:31) . . .Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. . .

(John 14:29-30) . . .. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me. . .

(John 16:10-11) 10 then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and YOU will behold me no longer; 11 then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

these are in harmony with what Satan himself said when tempting Jesus:-----(Luke 4:5-8) 5 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7 You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” 8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
You will note Jesus never says they are not Satan's to give, just that it is Jehovah you should worship. Also, it would hardly be a temptation to Jesus if Satan didn't actually have rulership to give him.

One other scripture is from apostle John: (1 John 5:19) 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

Other translations, including the Authorized Version, render the Greek word arkhegós as “author,” instead of “Chief Agent,” at Hebrews 12:2 but this is neither accurate nor in harmony with other scriptures. The derivation of this word has the thought of being chief or first in order of time or rank. That is true of Christ Jesus, but it does not make him the author or originator of life or of salvation. He was not, as trinitarians believe, the author or beginner of creation, but, as stated at Revelation 3:14, he was “the beginning of the creation by God,” that is, the first one to be created by God, the Creator. This is in harmony with the clear expression of the relative positions of Jehovah and Christ Jesus as we read at 1 Corinthians 8:6: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are.” In other words, there is the one Source, Jehovah, who uses many agents, but who has made his beloved Son, Christ Jesus, his Chief Agent. Hebrews 12:2 "as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
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Am I to take from that you are saying God is in control of all this mess ?
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God has spoken, it is done.


Revelation 21:1-7

King James Version (KJV)

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe the disastrous world has something to do with judgement?
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No....Why do I say no ? Because I believe the Bible when it says

Matthew 24:22King James Version (KJV)

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

It is Man that is bringing this upon themselves.

(Matthew 24:21, 22) . . .for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

(Revelation 11:18) . . .But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

Man 'ruining the earth' is prophecied.. and there is a time coming that if God doesn't step in then 'no flesh would be saved'. Humans are on a self-destructing path with the way we are harming the earth.. but God said he won't let that happen.

(Psalm 115:16) . . .As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.

(Ecclesiastes 1:4) . . . A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.

(Isaiah 45:18) . . .For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
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Will you read 1 chapter of the Bible... it won't take you but a few minutes to answer your question:

[link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)]

Verses 1-14 are about good that comes to a nation when it is with God. The US in WW2 was here.

Verses 15-68 are about bad that happens to a nation when it forgets God.

The United States is, now, in the later... Verses 15-68.

As you can see, yes, God is in control -- but there are real consequences to nations that forget God.

You are witnessing the end of America unless the People of the Nation repent.
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God created the WHOLE world, then made TWO humans.
What race were Adam and Eve?
Incest must be OK according to God.
What did they eat?
Why no clothes?
How can you believe any of the stuff in the bible?
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Is God in complete control of this disastrous world we are living in ?
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
 Quoting: Oath


Am I to take from that you are saying God is in control of all this mess ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55195292



God has spoken, it is done.


Revelation 21:1-7

King James Version (KJV)

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
 Quoting: Oath


Ironic you should quote those particular verses. I cited those very verses in a thread you were also engaged in last night.

I was sharing that Perry Stone did not believe his bible or the the Spoken word of God.

As you will see the spoken word of God said that John saw the kingdom of God " COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN" and there was a loud voice that said "BEHOLD THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NOW WITH MEN" and "GOD HIMSELF SHALL REIGN WITH THEM"

You and Perry Stone say " Hogwash! WE Will be GOING UP to his kingdom and WE WILL REIGN WITH HIM". Why do you and Perry Stone turn what the spoken word of God says upside down and inside out ? Because you would rather believe the fable doctrines of men rather than the spoken word of God.
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Satan, i.e., the Adversary is in control of this lower reality.
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The Adversary of Enlil is Marduk. The son of Enki.


Enlil is the Son of Anu and the Heir to the Throne of Nibiru and he wants to be in Command of all of Earth instead of Marduk.


What you call god are the Elohim and they think they rule this planet.
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No, because he doesn't control and you talk as if god is some being. If he is a being, where is he? He has nothing to do with his creation?

My concept of god has changed, since I was indoctrinated at a young age and by the way, my parents never went to church. They allowed us to attend Vacation Bible School and go to church whenever we chose.

The Source or 'god' as so many people refer to this magical, invisible being is everywhere! Within the trees, plants, animals...everything! It is a consciousness that we are a part of. We have a true essence, but to access that within, a person must have total trust and completely surrender to attain that level. We are loved beyond our comprehension, because love is what we truly are. Past conditioning and indoctrination have slowed to spiritual growth on this earth to stagnation.

Church leaders led mankind to believe that our salvation can only come through an outside mediator, but that is a fallacy.

We should all be communing with the god or 'christ' within. It's a higher consciounsess, but that compassionate consciousness does not control or judge and I know.
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Is an artist in control of the visual effects they apply to a canvas?
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Am I to take from that you are saying God is in control of all this mess ?
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God has spoken, it is done.


Revelation 21:1-7

King James Version (KJV)

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
 Quoting: Oath


Ironic you should quote those particular verses. I cited those very verses in a thread you were also engaged in last night.

I was sharing that Perry Stone did not believe his bible or the the Spoken word of God.

As you will see the spoken word of God said that John saw the kingdom of God " COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN" and there was a loud voice that said "BEHOLD THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NOW WITH MEN" and "GOD HIMSELF SHALL REIGN WITH THEM"

You and Perry Stone say " Hogwash! WE Will be GOING UP to his kingdom and WE WILL REIGN WITH HIM". Why do you and Perry Stone turn what the spoken word of God says upside down and inside out ? Because you would rather believe the fable doctrines of men rather than the spoken word of God.
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My apology suggesting you were engaged in the other thread about Perry Stone. I had you mixed up with some one else. So I don't know weather or not you subscribe to the man made doctrine of Perry Stone and these other charlatans.





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