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Why Was Reuters Taking A Photograph Of MH17 In Amsterdam Just Before It Cashed?

 
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Why Was Reuters Taking A Photograph Of MH17 In Amsterdam Just Before It Cashed?
Just hours prior to MH17's crash, a passenger named Cor Pan is said to of uploaded a picture of MH17, taken through the window of the airport in Amsterdam just prior to boarding, with a message joking about "if the plane disappears, this is what it looks like", referring to the recent MH370 disappearance.

[link to fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net (secure)]
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

When MH17 crashed hours later Cor Pans facebook picture & post became viral MSM news as this was to interesting a story for them to pass up. Several different MSM sources posted stories about Cor Pan's post in the hours/days that followed, most of which include the image he took of MH17 just prior to boarding.
[link to www.huffingtonpost.ca]
[link to au.ibtimes.com]
[link to rt.com]
[link to www.news.com.au]
...

What's interesting is that several news agencies as part of this story posted a higher resolution version of seemingly the same image. The higher resolution version of the image is credited to Reuters, and most brushed it off as a cleaner version of Cor Pan's tragic image.

[link to i.dailymail.co.uk]

While all might seem well and fine, there are several issues/oddities with this.

First off if it is the same image as Cor Pan posted, then how did Reuters get a higher resolution version of it, if the only image posted by Cor Pan was posted with much lower resolution (you cant simply clean up a low res image like that), and his phone/camera with the original image was on the plane with him when the plane crashed. From this we can come to a fairly strong conclusion that the Reuters image isn't simply a higher res version of Cor Pans photo.

To further confirm this, if you look very closely at the 2, although both extremely similar, they are not the same image. There are several differences in the images themselves that show they are taken from a different position, with a different zoom, at a slightly different time and from a slightly different vantage point or angle (can you spot the differences? Lets make a game out of it and post what you find in this thread).

So now that we know that Cor Pans image & Reuters image are different, this brings up a bunch of questions...

Since the Reuters image isn't the same as Cor Pans posted image, if Cor Pan did take a 2nd image which Reuters decided to use instead, how did Reuters get it if it was never posted (and the source of the image had crashed and been destroyed)?

Since Reuters couldn't of gotten their version of the image from Cor Pan, it means they must of taken it themselves. Why was Reuters taking a picture of (a at the time non-eventful) MH17, just prior to it taking off from Amsterdam, where just hours later that exact plane leaving from that exact airport would become international news?
Note: This reminds me a lot about the MH370 MSM pilot interview just prior to it vanishing.

Why are some major MSM sources passing the Reuters version of the image off as if it is the same as Cor Pans, if they are in fact different images and one isn't actually his (why not just cite the original facebook image posted by Cor Pan)?

Why if the Reuters image is just them taking a routine image of a random plane is it that the image also happens to be almost identical to Cor Pans image (almost like Reuters went out of the way to try to match Cor's image as close as possible, so much so it can't be by chance)?

Anyways I just find it odd and it brought up a lot of questions so I wanted to get some input on what peoples thoughts are.

Also gotta love the fact that Malaysia Airlines was already scheduled to decommission all of their Boeing 777-200ER airplanes (including M9-MRO (MH370) & M9-MRD (MH17)) by the end of this year (to be replaced by Boeing 777X's later this year). Go figure.



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Damn that was a quick shill!!!
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Good question....it's not his photo at all....
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"and his phone/camera with the original image was on the plane with him when the plane crashed."

???? Huh????
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"and his phone/camera with the original image was on the plane with him when the plane crashed."

???? Huh????
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Cor likely took the picture (the low res one) with his phone and then uploaded it to facebook while at the airport prior to boarding. It is possible that his phone had a higher resolution version of the image or multiple images of the plane from different vantage points, but if this were the case, his phone would be in the wreckage and destroyed (at least not recovered in the amount of time Reuters posted their version of the image). Again this just further confirms that the Reuters image (high res) wasn't obtained by Cor (which only posted a low res version) and must of been taken by someone else, likely Reuters themselves, but this again raises the question of why the fuck was Reuters taking a random picture of MH17 JUST before it became newsworthy, and how could their image just so happen to be 99.9% identical to Cors original image?).
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One possible explanation:


Social network phone apps tend to compress images that are uploaded. This would be the lower res image.

However smartphones tend to upload original high quality photos to 'the cloud' for backup when they are taken ( if you have your phone set to high quality photo backup)

So there could have been a high quality image located in his 'cloud' that was somehow retrieved by the press.
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One possible explanation:


Social network phone apps tend to compress images that are uploaded. This would be the lower res image.

However smartphones tend to upload original high quality photos to 'the cloud' for backup when they are taken ( if you have your phone set to high quality photo backup)

So there could have been a high quality image located in his 'cloud' that was somehow retrieved by the press.
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Good thought. The issue with that however is even if that was the case Reuters isn't allowed to just randomly take a image from someones cloud and cite it as their image (they only do this if they take the image themselves or buy it from a freelance photographer or other news agency). The fact that it has the Reuters logo on the image in my opinion proves it couldn't of been taken from Cors cloud.
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Its not the same plane, check the letters on the front wheels doors
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Its not the same plane, check the letters on the front wheels doors
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Yes I know... and its called damage control for anyone else that see's what is going on here...

Thread: MH17 Passengers Were Boarded On A Different Plane? M9-MRC (MH194) VS M9-MRD (MH17)
Thread: MH17 Passengers Were Boarded On A Different Plane? M9-MRC (MH194) VS M9-MRD (MH17) (Page 9)
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Just hours prior to MH17's crash, a passenger named Cor Pan is said to of uploaded a picture of MH17, taken through the window of the airport in Amsterdam just prior to boarding, with a message joking about "if the plane disappears, this is what it looks like", referring to the recent MH370 disappearance.

[link to fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net (secure)]
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

When MH17 crashed hours later Cor Pans facebook picture & post became viral MSM news as this was to interesting a story for them to pass up. Several different MSM sources posted stories about Cor Pan's post in the hours/days that followed, most of which include the image he took of MH17 just prior to boarding.
[link to www.huffingtonpost.ca]
[link to au.ibtimes.com]
[link to rt.com]
[link to www.news.com.au]
...

What's interesting is that several news agencies as part of this story posted a higher resolution version of seemingly the same image. The higher resolution version of the image is credited to Reuters, and most brushed it off as a cleaner version of Cor Pan's tragic image.

[link to i.dailymail.co.uk]

While all might seem well and fine, there are several issues/oddities with this.

First off if it is the same image as Cor Pan posted, then how did Reuters get a higher resolution version of it, if the only image posted by Cor Pan was posted with much lower resolution (you cant simply clean up a low res image like that), and his phone/camera with the original image was on the plane with him when the plane crashed. From this we can come to a fairly strong conclusion that the Reuters image isn't simply a higher res version of Cor Pans photo.

To further confirm this, if you look very closely at the 2, although both extremely similar, they are not the same image. There are several differences in the images themselves that show they are taken from a different position, with a different zoom, at a slightly different time and from a slightly different vantage point or angle (can you spot the differences? Lets make a game out of it and post what you find in this thread).

So now that we know that Cor Pans image & Reuters image are different, this brings up a bunch of questions...

Since the Reuters image isn't the same as Cor Pans posted image, if Cor Pan did take a 2nd image which Reuters decided to use instead, how did Reuters get it if it was never posted (and the source of the image had crashed and been destroyed)?

Since Reuters couldn't of gotten their version of the image from Cor Pan, it means they must of taken it themselves. Why was Reuters taking a picture of (a at the time non-eventful) MH17, just prior to it taking off from Amsterdam, where just hours later that exact plane leaving from that exact airport would become international news?
Note: This reminds me a lot about the MH370 MSM pilot interview just prior to it vanishing.

Why are some major MSM sources passing the Reuters version of the image off as if it is the same as Cor Pans, if they are in fact different images and one isn't actually his (why not just cite the original facebook image posted by Cor Pan)?

Why if the Reuters image is just them taking a routine image of a random plane is it that the image also happens to be almost identical to Cor Pans image (almost like Reuters went out of the way to try to match Cor's image as close as possible, so much so it can't be by chance)?

Anyways I just find it odd and it brought up a lot of questions so I wanted to get some input on what peoples thoughts are.

Also gotta love the fact that Malaysia Airlines was already scheduled to decommission all of their Boeing 777-200ER airplanes (including M9-MRO (MH370) & M9-MRD (MH17)) by the end of this year (to be replaced by Boeing 777X's later this year). Go figure.
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Because the Cor Pan photo has the serial number RC on the front wheel well hatch, and the Rooters photo has been "fixed" to show RD. That's why...
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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

But nevertheles:
Why has reuters nearly the same picture in highres as tweeter Pan Cor from the last start of MH17?

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

IPTC-Data: from 1440px-img
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Dateiformat = 11
Dateiformat Version = 1
Betriebsbezeichnung = RTRPIX
Envelope Number = 14056253
Produkt ID = PIX
Envelope Priority = 4
Sendedatum = 2014/07/18
Sendezeit = 04:10:10+00:00
Coded Character Set = 27, 37, 53
Aufzeichnungsversion = 2
Objektname = UKRAINE-CRISIS/AIRPLANE
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Erstellzeit = 04:10:10+00:00
Ursprungsprogramm = JPEGTOII2/MED
Programmversion = 1.0.0.16
By-line = STRINGER
Stadt = AMSTERDAM
Ländercode = NLD
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Original Transmission Referenz = NIR01
Überschrift = Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 with registration 9M-MRD operating as flight MH17 is seen at the G3 gate of Schiphol Airport
Kredit = REUTERS
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Caption/Abstract = REFILE - ADDITIONAL INFORMATION{{CR}}{{LF}}Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER with registration 9M-MRD operating as flight MH17 is seen at the G3 gate of Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, before it took off, heading to Kuala Lumpur, July 17, 2014. The aircraft was brought down over eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 298 people aboard and sharply raising the stakes in a conflict between Kiev and pro-Moscow rebels in which Russia and the West back opposing sides. REUTERS/Yaron Mofaz (NETHERLANDS - Tags: DISASTER POLITICS CIVIL UNREST TRANSPORT TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY)
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Who is Yaron Mofaz who took the last photo of MH17 in Amsterdam BEFORE the crash?

A Google-search shows:
- this is his only photo for reuters (correct me if you find others)
- he seems to be no photographer, although a youtube-video exist , which shows many photos falsely credited to Yaron Mofaz:

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Veröffentlicht am 19.07.2014
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH-17 is seen at the G3 gate of Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam,
Before it took off, heading to Kuala Lumpur, July 17, 2014. The Malaysian Boeing 777 airliner was brought down over eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard and sharply raising the stakes in a conflict between Kiev and pro-Moscow rebels in which Russia and the West back opposing sides.

On Facebook is only 1 Yaron Mofaz
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
'worked at Israir
studied at Tel Aviv University
lives in Ramat haScharon.'


possibly linked to Israel's Defense Minister 'Shaul Mofaz'
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I think someone on here - it might have been wild zero - went in the exif details and showed that the press picture - which is Not the same pic - was photoshopped.


It is also possible Bill Clinto came in on that flight.


Details from here onwards:



Thread: MH370 and MH17 - both still missing?updates on page 7 re plane swap in India (Page 7)



Maybe that was why Israel were taking pics of the arrival of 9MMRC - which Cor Pan also took a pic of for his own reasons - i.e. facebook update.


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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

...

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

...
 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

...

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

...
 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59874467


You are correct.
The planespotters photo clearly shows a rounded C and the Reuters/Cor Pan photo shows a squared off C as in the letter D, as in, it is RD and for some reason a part of the D is erased, faded, whatever.
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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

...

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

...
 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59874467

CORRECT!

But the question remains:
WHO IS Yaron Mofaz
How came this photo to reuters?
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A BIG difference between the photos:

In one photo there are yellow electrical cables entering the underside of the fuselage.

In the other photo these are not present.

Two seperate photographs, no argument against that.
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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

...

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

...
 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
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The high resolution Reuters image as I said in my other thread does show a MRD (with a smudge making it look somewhat like a C) as you said, but understand that Cor's image is not the same image as Reuters image so just because the Reuters image is MRD dont automatically get it in your mind that Cor's image has to be MRD as well. In fact Cor's image is highly horizontally squished if you hadn't noticed (while Reuters image is not), which makes his MRC look like a MRD, but if you actually return Cor's image to its original dimensions, you will see that for Cor's image it is highly likely MRC as I explained in my other thread.

First when Cor's image is unsquished the C has about 1.5-2x more spacing then the Reuters version and is more clearly seen as a C not a D. Next when you scale Cor's image to match the size (via overlap) of the Reuters version you will notice that in Cor's version the C also appears more curved then the Reuters version and actually extends out towards the gap at a different angle (it appears less curved or C shape due to the fact his facebook image is highly squished... Go into a photo editor and type a C and then start squishing it (~60% horizontally)... see how fast a C can turn into a D with a gap when you start squishing it... well the same is true when you do the reverse and unsquish it, which needs to be done to Cors image to bring it back to its original dimensions). Lastly if you did this exercise yourself with overlapping the 2 images (which I want you to do, which is why I didn't provide the overlap fades myself) you would of also noticed by this time that even though Cor's image is squished, when you try to unsquish it and match it up EXACTLY with the Reuters version, you will notice it is impossible... the 2 images, as (crazy) similar as they are, are in fact totally separate photos from slightly different times & vantage points. Play with it all you want, you will be able to get a few aspects to line up but, but then other parts will be way off. No matter how hard you tweak/resize/skew the images, you will never be able to get them to match because they don't originate from of the same image (both were taken at close to the same time, in almost the same position, from almost the same angle, with very similar zooms, and for some reason even though only 1 of the images is from Cor, both images are being tied to Cor as if they are the same image which they are not). That it not to mention there are also some minor but noticible differences directly within the images themselves other then just vantage point / time / angle (see just right of the tail, above the plane in both images for 1 of MANY examples of the differences between the 2 images).

We know both those pictures are 2 separate images (as freakishly similar as they are to eachother), and we also know both pictures were likely taken by different people (Cor which posted his vs Reuters which posted theirs), and from what I can see (again from returning Cor's image to its actual dimensions) both pictures are of 2 different planes, in almost the exact same location, at close to the same time, from a slightly different vantage point, with a slightly different zoom (Cor's being MRC, Reuters being MRD).

Don't get tunnle vision just because the 2 images APPEAR to be the same (as they are not... and that is what they want to you see).

After news of Cor's image showing MRC started spreading, several news outlets published stories trying to explain it away such as these.

MH17 crash: Confusion over viral photo
This Facebook photo of a Malaysian Airlines plane that went viral isn't that crashed, airline buffs have pointed out. The "RC" under the nose wheel indicates it's 9M-MRC, a different Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777.
[link to www.stuff.co.nz]
Upon close inspection of the photo, however, the letters “RC” are visible beneath the plane’s front wheel. That indicates the plane’s registration number was 9M-MRC. MH17’s number was 9M-MRD.
Pan could have posted the photo after flying on a different Malaysia Airlines plane, MH194, from Kuala Lumpur overnight.

[link to www.news.com.au]
[link to www.mamamia.com.au]
[link to www.malaysia-chronicle.com]

So let me paint a picture for you. Now that this came out and people noticed Cor's image is MRC not MRD the MSM started publishing stories trying to explain it away saying that the popular facebook image thought to of been "MH17" from Cor wasn't taken from Amsterdam, and wasn't taken on July 17 2014 but instead was taken from Malaysia the night before and of a different airplane (MRC not MRD).

The issue is this excuse is still full of holes...
This would mean that Cor was in Malaysia on July 16, took a picture of the plane he was boarding in Malaysia (MRC) on route to Amsterdam, waited to land in Amsterdam before posted a picture of it on facebook with his "if it disappears" post just before boarding another flight meer hours after landing but this time going the exact opposite direction he just came from Amsterdam back to Kuala Lumpur (wow what a short trip!) which then ends up crashing on route. The issue with this is that would then mean that Reuters would of also of had to been in Malaysia on July 16 at around the same exact time as Cor, which then takes a picture randomly of a Malasyia flight (in this case MRD) from almost the exact same angle/perspective as Cor took his picture (but his is of MRC). That doesn't make any damn sense!

I guess my point is the cover story about Cor's RC image being taken the day before from Malaysia, doesn't line up with the Reuters MRD mimic image cover story... Both are different examples of cover stories they are trying to use to explain away (or mask) the MRC in Cor's image, but both cover stories clash with each-other at the same time, not to mention the fact that the Reuters image IPTC-Data shows it was taken from the Netherlands (oops) which again uses the Reuters image to disprove the "Cor's image was taken the day before in Malaysia" cover story.

Even their cover stories have holes if you look at it close enough (they both do their jobs, but don't line up right if you really look... I guess the MSM need to coordinate better next time if they are going to try to bullshit).

Anyways none of this shit makes sense if you really look...

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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

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reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

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 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
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true OP.. never have seen an actual plane crash...usually just the aftermath
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Anyways none of this shit makes sense if you really look...
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Yessir, I do concur.

The precognitive message is similar to the fella leaving his wedding ring and watch on the Flight MH370 episode.

[link to www.nydailynews.com]

Scripted or not, I know the last time I flew (which was before 2001), I thought about the cheap flight insurance and related reasons why I might need it EVERY time. I don't find it difficult to believe travelers would leave a memento behind, just in case.

What I do find odd, is that the media is sharp enough to capture this detail (again), but miss on other bigger details such as the issue being discussed in this thread.

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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

...

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

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 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
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hesright

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I will say this again, Cor's image & Reuters image are DIFFERENT IMAGES. Go add both of them to a photo editor and overlap them (you will need to rescale Cor's version as it is horizontally squished) but you will clearly see they are NOT THE SAME PICTURE. When you rescale Cor's image to its actual dimensions you will also notice that in his image it looks a lot more like MRC then the Reuters version.

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One possible explanation:


Social network phone apps tend to compress images that are uploaded. This would be the lower res image.

However smartphones tend to upload original high quality photos to 'the cloud' for backup when they are taken ( if you have your phone set to high quality photo backup)

So there could have been a high quality image located in his 'cloud' that was somehow retrieved by the press.
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Good thought. The issue with that however is even if that was the case Reuters isn't allowed to just randomly take a image from someones cloud and cite it as their image (they only do this if they take the image themselves or buy it from a freelance photographer or other news agency). The fact that it has the Reuters logo on the image in my opinion proves it couldn't of been taken from Cors cloud.
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I'm sure they never steal content...
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One possible explanation:


Social network phone apps tend to compress images that are uploaded. This would be the lower res image.

However smartphones tend to upload original high quality photos to 'the cloud' for backup when they are taken ( if you have your phone set to high quality photo backup)

So there could have been a high quality image located in his 'cloud' that was somehow retrieved by the press.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60568922


Good thought. The issue with that however is even if that was the case Reuters isn't allowed to just randomly take a image from someones cloud and cite it as their image (they only do this if they take the image themselves or buy it from a freelance photographer or other news agency). The fact that it has the Reuters logo on the image in my opinion proves it couldn't of been taken from Cors cloud.
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I'm sure they never steal content...
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Reuters is one of the biggest bitches when it comes to copywrite infringement... why do you think you cant link to them from this website? Trust me, Reuters is one of the few places that you can be sure if they are using an image, they have 100% rights to it.
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This guy is a laugh riot. Came across this on some other site. LOL

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Both phots from Pan Cor and reuters of MH17 starting in Amsterdam 2014-07-17 seem to be the from 9M-MRD (reflection at right sied of the D), 9M-MRC has a bit lighter characters!

...

reuters published this:
634x375px >> [link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
but you can see highres with IPTC(no EXIF)-Data her:
1440x810px >> [link to www.irishtimes.com]
3500x1969px [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

...
 Quoting: emanuelG


Looking at the enlarged high resolution version of Reuter's photo ( [link to www.metabunk.org (secure)] ), I think the controversy of Cor Pan's and Reuter's supposed to be RC would not be necessary any more. It's a D with a bit of it's right side blurred which maybe caused by reflected light.

The real 9M-MRC's front wheel RC ( [link to www.planespotters.net] ) when seen enlarged, shows the C, form-wise, looks more like a rounded O rather than a rectangle-like D as in Reuter's and Cor Pan's version.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59874467

hesright

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]

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 Quoting: Hydra


I will say this again, Cor's image & Reuters image are DIFFERENT IMAGES. Go add both of them to a photo editor and overlap them (you will need to rescale Cor's version as it is horizontally squished) but you will clearly see they are NOT THE SAME PICTURE. When you rescale Cor's image to its actual dimensions you will also notice that in his image it looks a lot more like MRC then the Reuters version.
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How do you come to the erroneous assumption that I indicated the Cor photo and the Reuters photo are the same photo?

I just pointed out that the Reuters photo shows 9M-RCD - as well as Cor's photo.

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A BIG difference between the photos:

In one photo there are yellow electrical cables entering the underside of the fuselage.

In the other photo these are not present.

Two seperate photographs, no argument against that.
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Position of the sun is also very different...look at theshadows
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How do you come to the erroneous assumption that I indicated the Cor photo and the Reuters photo are the same photo?

I just pointed out that the Reuters photo shows 9M-RCD - as well as Cor's photo.

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I understand you see they are 2 different images (I still disagree both show MRD but whatever). That brings me back to the main point in this thread. How did Reuters end up with its own version of the picture, just minutes before it took off on its (unknowing) last flight from Amsterdam (just hours before it became international news or of any real importance)?

Does Reuters just randomly take pictures of airplanes in every airport around the world, just in-case one becomes big news later that day? Fuck even if they do, do that, that still doesn't explain why their version of the image is 99.9% identical to Cor's version (which can't be by accident).

Again nothing adds up if you really think about it.

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