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Exposing the 9/11 Conspiracy Wingnuts

 
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I began researching the mainstream media coverage of the controversy regarding the attacks of 9/11/2001, when reading an article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Newspaper, dated June 29th, 2006. It was titled, "Sept. 11 claim stirs UW probe -- Instructor says U.S. planned the attacks to provoke war." This led to my discovery of some wild conspiracy theorists that endanger our government and media establishments, with quite frankly insane assertions. I'll address this in full in the final paragraph.

Then by using a "google video 9/11" search, I recently viewed a FOX News interview on Hannity and Colmes with an Arab Studies teacher from the University of Wisconsin named Kevin Barrett. I had earlier seen an interview with another, a professor named James Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth. A few weeks earlier I had seen an interview on MSNBC Scarborough country interviewing a Mike Berger representing 911Truth.org.

Some of these guests referred to an organization called "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" with a website www.st911.org, which offered a physics research paper questioning the official explanation of the events of 9/11/2001. While visiting this site, I read that they pointed to the temperatures of the fires in the WTC buildings, and construction of the buildings, and the speed they fell, as evidence they claimed proved that what we saw on 9/11/2001 when the towers fell had to have been the result of a controlled demolition. Like the ones we've seen with Las Vegas hotels being brought down. Their claim was that the WTC buildings could not have been caused solely by the aircraft hitting the WTC buildings that day.

Then, I contacted the office of a Wisconsin State Legislator, Rep. Stephen Nass (R-Whitewater), and asked to speak to someone in the office who could speak on this issue. I asked if he was familiar with the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website, and he replied they had learned of it this week. I asked him if he and the Representative could comment on the charge that the fires on 9/11/2001 in the WTC buildings did not burn hot enough to bring down the buildings, and if he'd read the scholars organization's charge that thermate traces had been found on debris from the fallen towers (thermate indicating demolition type explosives were involved). The gentleman responded that no, they had not looked at this information, and this would not be something they would look at, further indicating that anyone who made such charges was blinded by their hatred of President Bush.

Which leads back to the interviews of guests on the three television news programs. The main theme of all three of the guests on these programs appeared to be concern of the physical evidence of 9/11/2001, mentioned above and particularly regarding the collapse of three of the World Trade Center buildings on that day.

The main themes of the interviewers on these programs appeared to be two-fold:
1) The guests were representing a fringe movement, and most Americans do not dispute the official 9/11 explanation of the 19 hijackers defeating US military and intelligence forces on 9/11/2001.

2) The guests and those they speak for, who question the official 9/11/2001 account, are of questionable sanity.

This motivated me to do some research. First I looked at the fringe movement issue that the majority of Americans disagreed with the programs guests and accept the official explanation, and secondly, the sanity and expertise of people like their guests who question the official story of 9/11/2001.

First, regarding the fringe issue, asserting that the guests questioning the events of 9/11 reflected a small minority of American opinion. I looked at the only polls I could find on these questions, and the results were surprising. A CNN viewers poll, which is not scientific, held Wednesday, November 10th, 2005, asked, "Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?" 89% replied "Yes," they did believe there was a cover-up by the U.S. Government (9,441 votes), while only 12% felt there was no cover-up.

In a national Zogby poll, of May 2006, found that 45%, of the American public felt a new 9/11 investigation should be launched because "so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success." An earlier Zogby poll of New York City residents, from August of 2004, found that Half (49.3%) of New Yorkers felt that U.S. government officials "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act." While 66% of New Yorkers called for a new probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General.

Now to the second issue the television media interviewers were most concerned with, which was the expertise and sanity of the people demanding a new 9/11 investigation, and some even suggesting possible U.S. government complicity in the attacks of 9/11/2001. Again, a simple google "video 9/11" search, provided a wealth of information.

This too yielded some surprising results.

One of the loudest advocates of the most damning charge that "members of the U.S. government actually orchestrated the events of 9/11 to fool the nation into unpopular wars", was not a tree-hugging Green Party activist, but rather a prominent Republican, in fact a Former Chief Economist under George Bush, and professor at Texas A&M, Morgan Reynolds. [link to www.lewrockwell.com]

Google research of the growing list of other 9/11 skeptics of the official story, some "convinced of U.S. government involvement," while others not going that far, but pointing out that"the official story is highly questionable and demands further investigation," yielded surprising results. Including a host of high level Republican administration officials, defense experts, intelligence experts, and respected scholars, as well as well known celebrities who are now adding the spotlight of their names to the issue of 9/11.

Among them were:

Former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force, under President Reagan, and combat fighter pilot Col. Robert Bowman (Caltech Phd in aeronautics and nuclear engineering).
[link to video.google.com]

Former CIA Intelligence Advisor to Reagan and George HW Bush and founder of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, Ray McGovern
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Kevin Ryan, former department head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories) the company which certified the steel which went into the WTCs upon their construction, and inspected it after the WTC collapses in 2001.
[link to www.911truth.org]

Former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Research Fellow at Stanford's Independent Institute, and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, Paul Craig Roberts
[link to www.wanttoknow.info]

Canadian National Defense Minister, the Honourable Paul Hellyer
[link to www.septembereleventh.org]

Minister for the Environment, and Member of Parliament (United Kingdom) Michael Meacher
[link to video.google.com]

National Minister of Defense (Germany). Also, served as Minister of Technology Andreas Von Bulow
[link to video.google.com]

Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of Defense, General Leonid Ivashov
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

Former MI6 British Counter Intelligence Officer, David Shayler
[link to video.google.com]

Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, former Marine Corps officer, author or editor of more than 20 books, and co-chair of Scholars For 9/11 Truth, James Fetzer
[link to www.911podcasts.com]

Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University, and co-chair of Scholars For 9/11 Truth, Steven Jones
[link to video.google.com]

Emeritus Professor of Philosophy of Religion & Theology, Claremont Graduate University, and author or editor of some 30 books, including "The New Pearl Harbor" and "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" David Ray Griffin
[link to video.google.com]

Professor of mathematics, University of Western Ontario, and founder of the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven (SPINE), A.K Dewdney
[link to www.serendipity.li]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Aircraft crash investigation authority, USAF Col. (Ret) George Nelson
[link to www.physics911.net]

Former chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East, USAF Col. (Ret) Don de Grand-Pre
[link to www.prisonplanet.com]

Actor Charlie Sheen (Platoon, Wall Street, etc.)
[link to prisonplanet.com]

Actor, Ed Asner
[link to www.911blimp.net]

Actor, Ed Begley, Jr
[link to video.google.com]

So, now that we've examined the two main issues of concern for the television news interviewers, which was the "fringe" aspect of the questioners, and the "sanity/expertise" issue, it appears those arguments are very weak arguments, really with no merit at all.

Obviously tens of millions of Americans, according to polls, want a new investigation into 9/11/2001 and have a strong suspicion of U.S. government involvement at some level. Obviously not all of the national defense, intelligence, aeronautics, physics and engineering experts questioning the official story of 9/11 are insane or unqualified to comment.

This begs the question, in the face of such obvious facts, why do our media personalities continue to attempt to throw out accusations that are patently untrue regarding those who question the official story?

When a television news interviewer continues to ask questions and make assertions that he or she knows to be untrue, this would challenge the expertise and sanity, not of their guests, but of the television news interviewer.

The 9/11 truth movement appears to be growing rapidly, and involving people of substantial credentials and expertise. As television and some radio personalities continue to behave in what obviously is an insane behavior, what do we do? Can we get our national media any psychological help? If not, it would be wise to relieve them of their positions at least. I feel increasingly uneasy about millions of young minds being exposed night after night to comments and opinions by people who increasingly appear to be insane, yet in positions of authority.

Of course the concern here is larger. If there is any possibility or doubt about whether the events of 9/11/2001 were participated in by members of our own government, then our entire democracy and world peace would be strengthened by getting to the bottom of the true facts of this pinnacle event of our time. It would be unhealthy to leave a cloud of doubt hanging over such assertions. There should be a full fledged national debate, experts from all sides should be interviewed on national media to get to the bottom of this once and for all. Our Congress should launch investigations into the physics questions that are causing so many to doubt the official story. No matter where anyone stands on this issue, this is obviously the only path to national healing and trust.

However, this debate on national media cannot occur if the interviewers hired by national media continue to behave in an insane irrational behavior, like "conspiracy theory wing-nuts." You see, too many of our media spokespersons on television and radio adhere to a wild conspiracy theory. Their theory is that anyone who looks into the facts of the events of one of the most important issues in history is alone, and insane, but yet somehow organized in some united conspiratorial effort. Of course, the facts fly in the face of this conspiracy theory, but these media personalities appear unable to grasp reality even when it is pointed out to them.

For media reading this article, time will tell whether you are an insane conspiracy theorist or not. If you too, are among the insane in our media, the public will likely eventually demand your resignation. As one who writes sometimes on parental issues, I believe it is unhealthy to have insane people in charge of the national information highways our children are taught to watch. We need sane media people who look at facts regarding issues, not ones who launch into insane screeds of paranoia to avoid reality.

Also, you may recall that when I contacted State Representative, Stephen Nass' office, his aid stated that they were aware of but not interested in and would not look at the physics facts provided by the website Scholars for 9/11 Truth, www.st911.org. However, they did want to fire a university teacher for presenting facts, many of which were available on that site. To fire someone for presenting facts, facts that you dispute, yet have no idea what those facts are, and are unwilling to look at them to find out what they are . . . is also insane. Again, as someone who writes on parenting issues, as a concerned parent as well, America should also consider retiring our insane government officials who fire people for facts they aren't aware of and are unwilling to look at. These politicians apparently assert some wild conspiracy theory that millions of Americans are questioning the events of 9/11 because they are "Bush haters" according to the aid at Nass' office. This kind of delusional paranoia by our elected officials is of particular concern. Such wild eyed conspiratorialists should not be allowed in government.

Bill Douglas, author of "The Amateur Parent - A Book on Life, Death, War & Peace, and Everything Else in the Universe""
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good post, too much reading......why are you trying to sell your book here?? there should be a no soliciting rule on the site
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I am in a hurry, does it mention WTC7 and how that "fell"?
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[link to www.911podcasts.com]

THIS VIDEO SHOWS IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT BLDG 7 WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. IRREFUTABLE!!!

Bldg 7 housed offices for the CIA, FBI, ATF...etc...It's a fact that it was brought down by controlled demolition, and there is no way a bunch of "Arabs" got into that bldg. and placed the explosives in the correct spots to bring it down...

Plus there is a ton of eye witness testimony from Fire Fighters, Police, and Emergency Health workers, to the fact that explosive brought the towers down as well.

YOU CANNOT WATCH THIS VIDEO AND COME TO ANY OTHER CONCLUSION THAN...

IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB YOU %#!@& :history:!
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I am in a hurry, does it mention WTC7 and how that "fell"?
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Of course it doesn't. That would require addressing the facts, and we can't have that.
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Read the article, not just the title.
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great post OP. now with the likes of Bruce Willis, Richard Linklater and Ed Asner on board with the TRUTH MOVEMENT, it may start to reach critical mass soon. this may be a fun next 6 months. hopefully we won't see another false flag attack. i urge everyone out there to SPREAD THE WORD. link people to Loose Change on Google. buy 9/11 Truth videos, copy them and pass them out. let's not let these criminals get away with this. the evidence is available to everyone. if your still on the fence, please do the rearch yourself.


users 113165 & 63254...you guys really need to read things before piping in.
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The "official story" is the wingnut conspiracy theory. Only the brain dead still believe it.
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Well why didn't someone tell me that Ed Asner and Ed Begley support the 9/11 conspiracy movement! If that doesn't lend credability to something, what does?

Perhaps my reasoned thinking should just be forgotten and I should jump on the Asner/Begley bandwagon?
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It's a damn shame that the 9/11 Comission excluded all kinds of eyewitness testimony that would have filled volumes and given us a better picture of what really happened.

Half of all the 9/11 families now believe that it was a government inside job as they have launched a lawsuit against the administration.

When half of the 9/11 families believe it was an inside job you know it was an inside job.
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loose change 2 :dubya: gwdance
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>>>"THIS VIDEO SHOWS IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT BLDG 7 WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. IRREFUTABLE!!!"<<<

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PIX

[link to www.whatreallyhappened.com]

The OP and other Bushnazi shitballs should look at this piece of EVIDENCE.

Don't expect anything from them, though, because even with PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE and EXPERT TESTIMONY from several sources, they all know better and will still believe Bush's LIES.
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Then there is the FACT that Bush and his asses of evil have threatened the children of 911 Truth Tellers. Now what is SO important to the Bushies that they feel the need to threaten people's children? WTF are they trying to hide?
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[link to www.whatreallyhappened.com]
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ARE YOU PEOPLE IDIOTS??????

THE OP THINKS THE OFFICIAL STORY IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

READ THE GODAMNED POST BEFORE PIPING IN WITH YOUR STUPID COMMENTS.

YOU ALL LOOK AS IGNORANT AS THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE OFFICIAL STORY.

JABEESUS CHRIZZZIST!!!!!
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BTW OP every time one of you nazi loving misfits starts whining, you expose yourselves.
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What difference does it make now anyway?

As we can all see, the plan is going along tickety boo!

N Korea Iran Palestine abomb

Won't be long now! We can argue about the rights and wrongs of that awful day till we're blue in the face, but it won't stop them now!
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If the OP was not crapping on 911 Truth Tellers, then I apologize. You might want to clarify your position when posting something like this with a thread title like that.
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We also need to start thinking about what to do next.

Certainly handing this mess over to a Congressional committee would be a mistake (look at the cover-up we got from the 9-11 Committee).

At the very least, by covering up the evidence, they are now complicit.

You will NEVER get the current administration to admit anything -- it would be a straight path to the gallows.

Our government has an undeclared war on us.

Had they declared it, people would be willing to fight back.

We need to understand they consider us their chattel.

IOW, besides threads on who did 9-11, we now need to start investigating what to do about it and DOING it before we have to deal with martial law.

We have lulled into the mindset of "let the authorities take care of it".

That will obviously not work here.
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ARE YOU PEOPLE IDIOTS??????

THE OP THINKS THE OFFICIAL STORY IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

READ THE GODAMNED POST BEFORE PIPING IN WITH YOUR STUPID COMMENTS.

YOU ALL LOOK AS IGNORANT AS THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE OFFICIAL STORY.

JABEESUS CHRIZZZIST!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 115921

You can't blame folks with a title like that, and a post the size of his message.
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." -- J. Edgar Hoover
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Yes the OP needs to be more clear next time. A shorter message would help. I wouldnt read 4 pages worth of post if I know its propaganda (which the title indicates).
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ARE YOU PEOPLE IDIOTS??????

THE OP THINKS THE OFFICIAL STORY IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

READ THE GODAMNED POST BEFORE PIPING IN WITH YOUR STUPID COMMENTS.

YOU ALL LOOK AS IGNORANT AS THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE OFFICIAL STORY.

JABEESUS CHRIZZZIST!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 115921



You are correct sir. In addition, the 911 Truth Movement had been infiltrated by government psy-ops types.

Rather than key on demo'd buildings, missiles hitting the Pentagon, etc, I would implore all to look into the key of this whole operation.

Who stood down NORAD??????

Not rocket science here people. Even if it WAS ragheads, you gotta consider the success of this operation was predicated on beating NORAD.

This is the KEY. Consider it.....
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For those that are in too big a hurry to read the original post, the 9/11 conspiracy wingnuts are those who attempt to justify the official story.
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University of Minnesota Professor claims 9/11 was a cover up on Fox News [link to media.putfile.com]





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