To the one which is greater than Christ ...

Some does :)

I tried to, but the matrix gave me a crazy-looking error readout

Haha don't break the matrix. In truth there none greater than Christ.

not the father?

You refer to John 14:28. I was referring to flesh. :)

does the father ever come in flesh?

Is the Father God?

that might depend on who you ask. Didn't Jesus say he and the father are one?

Seconded. This is Truth

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that might depend on who you ask.

Didn't Jesus say he and the father are one?

As usual, every interpretation is wrong.




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Are you saying He is an atheist…. ?

Dunno.


I think God would desire for assurance, though…. like us


If not, or otherwise, then God = Envy…..

Quotes are messing up AC59833726 so let's start over. Yes He did say that He and the Father were One. As well as Christ saying the Father is greater and here we have a mystery. What does your heart say?

I've always found that to be an interesting quote "be still and know ---".. I use to practice literal stillness, I got to the point I could do 45 minutes without moving a muscle, even twitching an eye.

You know what I found in that stillness.. My Rage, it was a pure and unadultered fury that I became one with.

It made me realise that god, or whatever pronoun you prefer is not a peace without emotion, it is raw emotion that knows no bounds, and the closer you get to it, the purer it's form.

It amazes me how similar passion and rage are to eachother.

be still, and know I am RAGE!.. lol

Great now you can move on to the other emotions He has created.

I believe they are the same yet different. They are the same because like the father who is perfect the son also became perfected, but they are different as the father was before.

rofl, those are easy compared to controlling pure rage.

I love with all my heart, I feel empathy for those in need, I feel sorrow for those in pain..

But rage, that was the real test.. Not smashing the walls with my head, not flying into indescribable fury, my dear goodness it was difficult..

:bad_egg:

What do you mean before in the part I bolded? Do you believe Christ was a created being?

In answer to your question before if God manefested in the flesh.
1 Timothy 3:
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

ALLAHUAKBAR IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW^

Lol no thank you!

I'll bet that guy is a lefty..lol

you know what they say, never trust a left handed Muslim..

rofl

Wouldn't one have to be created to say "the father is greater than I"?

"And his thought performed a deed and she came forth, namely she who had appeared before him in the shine of his light. This is the first power which was before all of them (and) which came forth from his mind, She is the forethought of the All - her light shines like his light - the perfect power which is the image of the invisible, virginal Spirit who is perfect. The first power, the glory of Barbelo, the perfect glory in the aeons, the glory of the revelation, she glorified the virginal Spirit and it was she who praised him, because thanks to him she had come forth. This is the first thought, his image; she became the womb of everything, for it is she who is prior to them all, the Mother-Father, the first man, the holy Spirit, the thrice-male, the thrice-powerful, the thrice-named androgynous one, and the eternal aeon among the invisible ones, and the first to come forth.

"<She> requested from the invisible, virginal Spirit - that is Barbelo - to give her foreknowledge. And the Spirit consented. And when he had consented, the foreknowledge came forth, and it stood by the forethought; it originates from the thought of the invisible, virginal Spirit. It glorified him and his perfect power, Barbelo, for it was for her sake that it had come into being.

"And she requested again to grant her indestructibility, and he consented. When he had consented, indestructibility came forth, and it stood by the thought and the foreknowledge. It glorified the invisible One and Barbelo, the one for whose sake they had come into being.

"And Barbelo requested to grant her eternal life. And the invisible Spirit consented. And when he had consented, eternal life came forth, and they attended and glorified the invisible Spirit and Barbelo, the one for whose sake they had come into being.

"And she requested again to grant her truth. And the invisible Spirit consented. And when he had consented, truth came forth, and they attended and glorified the invisible, excellent Spirit and his Barbelo, the one for whose sake they had come into being.

"This is the pentad of the aeons of the Father, which is the first man, the image of the invisible Spirit; it is the forethought, which Barbelo, and the thought, and the foreknowledge, and the indestructibility, and the eternal life, and the truth. This is the androgynous pentad of the aeons, which is the decad of the aeons, which is the Father.

"And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. He begot a spark of light with a light resembling blessedness. But it does not equal his greatness. This was an only-begotten child of the Mother-Father which had come forth; it is the only offspring, the only-begotten one of the Father, the pure Light.

"And the invisible, virginal Spirit rejoiced over the light which came forth, that which was brought forth first by the first power of his forethought, which is Barbelo. And he anointed it with his goodness until it became perfect, not lacking in any goodness, because he had anointed it with the goodness of the invisible Spirit. And it attended him as he poured upon it. And immediately when it had received from the Spirit, it glorified the holy Spirit and the perfect forethought, for whose sake it had come forth.

"And it requested to give it a fellow worker, which is the mind, and he consented gladly. And when the invisible Spirit had consented, the mind came forth, and it attended Christ, glorifying him and Barbelo. And all these came into being in silence.

No one would not have to be created in order to say that IMO. One only has to place limitations in order to be created. Is your soul superior to your flesh? The flesh cannot exist without a soul/spark in which to animate but devoid of a body the soul continues in eternity while flesh returns to the ground. What is this other writings that you post? Is there a source for what you quote?

I will give it a read thank you but I really think you and I just do not believe or see things the same way. I don't say that to insult at all. It just is what it is but I try and keep an open mind as best I can and don't consider my knowledge to be the be all end all. If God can love a sinner like me than I am also sure that He loves you as well. In the truth that I have come to know and in love I address you and hope I don't offend :)

You are in for a rude awakening.

sorry yes there is a link. I am bad a posting them although i should.
[link to www.gnosis.org]

I don't believe that i have a soul. I am more akin to a spirit within a vessel. Unless one is to conclude that the physical body is a soul.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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I believe that it is the Spirit which animates the body as spirit is the source of life. Void of the Spirit the body has no life/movement.

If one created themselves wouldn't they be equally as great as the other who created themselves out of nothing?

I'm really not that well versed when it comes to the gnostic side of things. We have a scripture by which some of this comes from. Ye are Gods being sons of the most high. I think it was psalms that comes from. I don't really go there honestly because for me in this body that deals with sin on a sometimes daily basis. Well I'm not a God and I'm not perfect. Can I be? Possibly but not of my own accord. Not by myself. To me a God could do that Himself. Becoming perfection and creating within it perfection itself.

OTOH I don't see God as a created being. That implies a beginning as well as an end. Would a being that chooses to create always choose to create in perfection? Perhaps but He doesnt have to if He doesnt want. He is not bound by rules nor time. Rules and time are created things as well. I think we were perfect until the fall in genesis. I have no proof it is just where my mind settled. I also believe in body soul,spirit. Paul speaks in 1 Thessalonians 23-Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. If we are created in His likeness Having an eternal being manifested in Father,Son and Holy Spirit is it really that odd to think that we also have 3 parts as well?

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was/is Jesus god or the son of?

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He is referred to as the Son of God many times in scripture. The question you must answer for yourself is if Christ was not God himself manifested in flesh. A literal part of God brought down to our level. Would His sacrifice on the cross, would His death, be enough to atone for the sins of the world if He wasn't God in flesh? Just because He didn't say I am God does not mean that it wasn't explicitly and clearly implied in the same way that the Truth behind the parables is implied. It is only once you have eyes with which to see and ear with which you hear that implication becomes truth that is clearly right in front of you and has been all along.