NASA validates "WTF - Impossible" space drive. Interesting...UPDATED - 8/14/2017 | |
a Dude, not THE Dude User ID: 43050810 United States 04/13/2017 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't begin to describe the level of fail in this question. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] The main problem is carrying enough fuel for a long-term voyage. It masses a lot and can only be compressed so much. This new drive, if it works as stated, could alleviate some of that problem. Agreed even for a round trip to Mars taking the best part of two years, The amount fuel, food, water etc the ship needs. for the whole journey is huge. Certainly for example, they ,talk about finding water on mars. It is there but is it fit for humans to drink? How long will it take to produce enough fuel for a retun trip to earth? Hard hard is it to do on Mars? The anser is we won't know for sure until people actually go to mars and try these things. The first trips will need to leave earth with all the supplies they need for the round trip. That is why, in view conventional rocket propulsion is not suitable for traver further than, say, the moon, We need to find new ways to propel spacecraft and at much faster speeds that they can now. Right on! |
The Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 04/13/2017 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.inquisitr.com] Quoting: Setheory So the rumors continue to swirl. While I’m not a big conspiracy guy and by definition this is really not a conspiracy (I’d define it as secrecy), it’s starting to check all my boxes. Think about it. If there is a “potentially” new means of propulsion and all tests to date seem to show anomalous thrust, then it is actually your responsibility as a superpower to stay ahead of the curve. That said, it is in no way outlandish to think that the Chinese are testing this on their space station or that DARPA has included a test module in one of their latest payloads. For all we know these rumored tests have failed in the vacuum of space and this story will fade away. On the other hand, we could be witnessing the start of a whole new era of space exploration. Time will tell…… It could explain why the latest X-37B mission has been up there so long, perhaps to test the performance of, and stress-test the lifespan of one of these devices in space. Or it could just be a new Hall thruster for fighting orbital drag. It would be very hard to distinguish those possibilities simply by tracking the orbit since both are low-thrust high-efficiency engines. As you said, only time will tell. |
Setheory (OP) User ID: 36555423 United States 05/08/2017 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.inquisitr.com] Quoting: Setheory So the rumors continue to swirl. While I’m not a big conspiracy guy and by definition this is really not a conspiracy (I’d define it as secrecy), it’s starting to check all my boxes. Think about it. If there is a “potentially” new means of propulsion and all tests to date seem to show anomalous thrust, then it is actually your responsibility as a superpower to stay ahead of the curve. That said, it is in no way outlandish to think that the Chinese are testing this on their space station or that DARPA has included a test module in one of their latest payloads. For all we know these rumored tests have failed in the vacuum of space and this story will fade away. On the other hand, we could be witnessing the start of a whole new era of space exploration. Time will tell…… It's back. [link to www.msn.com] Last Edited by Setheory on 05/09/2017 10:22 AM The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...' |
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Setheory (OP) User ID: 36555423 United States 08/14/2017 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.nextbigfuture.com (secure)] <with a hint of sarcasm> Wow, these are some ambitious claims! So we are talking about Q and superconductors now? Translation > rainbows and unicorns are now in play. If I could whisper into Mr. Shawyer’s ear, I would say “baby-steps dude……cool your jets”. These grandiose claims are not doing him any good IMO. While I have not had time to put pencil to paper regarding these claims, it would appear we are talking about a degree of scalability that would put the closest stars within reach during my lifetime and I am a “forty-something”. Anyway, at the end of the day his recent claims really have no bearing as to the viability of this potential technology……I get that. It does however give me pause in regards to the man himself. The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75384622 United Kingdom 08/14/2017 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like I said, the Atlantean technologies is far superior and there is no fucking way they can have my invention. But I'll see you again in 2100's AD after the death of cabal. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74852523 Israel 08/14/2017 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is the paper entitled: Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device Measured on a Low-Thrust Torsion Pendulum Quoting: Setheory [link to ntrs.nasa.gov] Just read the first paper and this certainly seems legit. “Technically” this does seem to break the law of conservation of momentum. I am no expert in any relevant field, but I thought a good deal of universal laws broke down once one entered the field of quantum mechanics? I mean, the wikipedia article suggests this is known physics, just known quantum physics. Can anyone more qualified clarify? I'm out of my league here. [link to en.wikipedia.org] I would disagree with this. To quote, "A number of notable physicists have found the Q-thruster concept to be implausible. For example, mathematical physicist John Baez has criticized the reference to "quantum vacuum virtual plasma" noting that: "There's no such thing as 'virtual plasma' ".[60] Noted Caltech theoretical physicist Sean M. Carroll has also affirmed this statement, writing "[t]here is no such thing as a ‘quantum vacuum virtual plasma,’...".[61] In addition, Lafleur found that quantum field theory predicts no net force, implying that the measured thrusts are unlikely to be due to quantum effects" If the physical concepts are unknown how could the acutal physics be understood or known. |
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Setheory (OP) User ID: 36555423 United States 08/15/2017 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm chuckling away... Nasa are one cabal dumbass poodle. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75384622 Like I said, the Atlantean technologies is far superior and there is no fucking way they can have my invention. But I'll see you again in 2100's AD after the death of cabal. Oh please do tell us about your invention. Sounds like you will be around in the 2100's as well. You must be some kind of special. The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...' |
Setheory (OP) User ID: 36555423 United States 08/16/2017 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No shit. Soon they will bring back picture from fake earth like planets of unknown galaxy over which over populated with hot, unintelligent women like females. This sounds like NASA's attempt to fund some bogus trip to another viable planet - all stage of course. Again, NASA is not actively promoting this as a viable means of space travel. In fact, they are distancing themselves from it. There are different ways to interpret this behavior. Personally, I'm unsure what to think about it. The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...' |
Digital mix guy User ID: 23225561 United States 09/05/2017 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | item from 2012: Fusion Power Advances in Magnetic Crushing Test TechNewsDaily Staff Date: 20 September 2012 Time: 01:00 PM ET The experiment at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico tested how well a tiny cylinder could withstand the crushing magnetic force from the lab's "Z machine" — a pulsed-power accelerator that zapped the cylinder with 25 million amperes of electric current. The "liner" cylinder collapsed on itself, as would be expected, but remained intact enough to theoretically squeeze together deuterium or tritium fuel, triggering nuclear fusion. [link to www.livescience.com] Have no fear, Spock is here!!! LLAP |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74817410 Austria 09/09/2017 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All scientists are liars about what is light. Do you understand? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 Science says light is electrons change orbitals and emit energy pockets/photons. That is total BS. How electrons change orbitals? What is the mechanism? How many photons can an electron emit per second? Where are the photons come from? Most photons are color less, like radio wave photons, x-rays. Strange thing is photons have no mass, no charge, how can they able to carry em fields. How does an electron know what color of photon should emit? what direction? how many? what speed? WHAT IS THE MECHANISM? Is any scientists able to answer those questions? Nope |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74589490 Brazil 09/09/2017 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello GLP I am a long time lurker and minor asshole, but I'm really an old fart who knows stuff, this subject is one of my favourite, as I have stumbled upon how this drive works and can explain it unfairly simple terms. Get ready to understand the quantum drive. Quoting: Jimi Lightspeed First the QD does not emit photons or protons, it emits electrons. These electrons are so.ply put transmuted through the chamber and blast through the back, the super conductors keep the speed increasing as it hits the last wall, then the electronic basically wiggles through the wall because there is no more room inside the chamber that can accommodate it's incredible speed, this wiggling effect is basically where the thrust comes from, the electrons simply fall through the wall with all energy expended, then the microvibrations propel the electronic away and that creates thrust, keep in mind the speed never decreases because the speed of the electronic leaving the cavity is null plus microthrust this equals the current speed plus "one". Thank you for your time, now flame on bitches 🤣 Don't waste your time with this posting. Utter BS. Drive and output is real, this explanation is far from accurate. According to known science, EMdrive is impossible. NASA never went to the moon. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75425794 United States 09/10/2017 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Time to revaluate Maxwell's equations all of them as well as Einstein's work and run them through Watson. Physisits and mathematicians are missing something so the accepted proofs of this day maybe flawed. A flawed foundation extrapolates errors on later builds. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29868012 Canada 09/10/2017 05:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Time to revaluate Maxwell's equations all of them as well as Einstein's work and run them through Watson. Physisits and mathematicians are missing something so the accepted proofs of this day maybe flawed. A flawed foundation extrapolates errors on later builds. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75425794 this |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75116194 Costa Rica 09/10/2017 06:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | anything involves quantum or photon is bs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953 He was the godfather of QM. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75116194 Costa Rica 09/10/2017 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if em drive works why they use rocket? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 all of them use rocket, all stupid? The EM Drive does not have sufficient Delta-v to achieve earth orbit. (not even close) In simple terms, we will still need to use brute force to get an EM powered craft into space. However, once there, the sky is the limit. Everything changes...... Physics laws are universal. They can fart in space to get thrust, or use rockets to fart for them to get thrust. Without mass ejecting, there is no momentum changing, no thrust. Why they still using rockets? Foolish? True |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75116194 Costa Rica 09/10/2017 06:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Einstein's theories are all mistakes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 Photoelectric effect theory won him a Nobel. Later he admit it was mistaken. All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953 He thought gravity able to slow down light. If a star has enough mass, its light will be slow down so much and make it invisible, so black hole. In reality, all star lights have the same speed C. Real black hole is in every toilet. He thought the sun's gravity able to bend light so at solar eclipse we can see stars behind the sun. In fact, hot plasma on sun's surface reflect/bend those stars light behind the sun. So those dumb scientists able to took a picture back then to support his theory. He thought nothing can travel at light speed due to unlimited energy is needed. Mistaken, he don't even sure what is energy/quantum. All the motion is caused by force, electrostatic force. f=ma, enough force able to push matter at any speed. But force has a speed limit, electrostatic force and gravity have same speed as light speed. A train travels at 100 m/h cannot push a man to 101/m/h. E=Mcc is total bs. Matter is charged particles, energy is the electrostatic force matter carries. 2. Solar sail and EM drive both will not work. Sun light has NO momentum. Solar sailing is a lie/mistake. Easy to proof, if sun light has momentum, how about Army laser? Those laser able to ignite missiles miles away, but not able to spin a light mill in hard vacuum. Why? Light is vibrating EM force, not photon/quanta particles that carry momentum. EM drive is impossible. Without mass ejection in space, there is NO momentum changing, no force to accelerate. 3. Maxwell was wrong. There is no electric field and magnetic field reproducing at right angle and move at light speed, no transverse waves travel in space. Why? Because both fields must have force carrier/charged particle to carry it. But space contains none. Free electrons in a conductor synchronized vibrate, produce vibrating EM field. Other free electrons in other conductors follow the vibrating energy/EM force and vibrate at the same frequency. That is the true mechanism of EM waves. Thread: ++ I Am In Fact Elon Musk / I Believe Reality May Be a Simulation / Ask Me A Question (Page 32) |