Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

Isaiah 11:13:

King James Bible
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.



We are "half way" there and as soon as the fullness of the gentiles comes in we will be all the way there









One witness from the line of Judah and mother leah(firstborn) and one witness from the line of Joseph and mother Rachael(2nd born)

Isaiah 11:13:

King James Bible
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


For that scriputure to be true this ephraim would have to know Judah and and one time be jealous of him until he realizes who he is and know he is 2nd born has the firstborn birthright......that narrows it down about 7 billion people..it seems that judah only vexes ephraim about once a week now but I'm sure once the one from the line of joseph/ephraim takes the stage it will up a little bit...lol

1 chronicles 5:2:

King James Bible
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

Isaiah 48:1:

New American Standard 1977
“Hear this, O house of Jacob, who are named Israel
And who came forth from the loins of Judah,
Who swear by the name of the LORD
And invoke the God of Israel,
But not in truth nor in righteousness.

Isaiah 48:1:

King James Bible
Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.


There is a secret to this verse.....it tells us Jacob comes forth from the waters of Judah. It applies to the nation but it also applies to the two witnesses Judah(firstborn) and Jacob(2nd born with firstborn birthright)

The word "waters" in the original hebrew means "juices or semen" and jacob comes forth from the waters of Judah.....If we knew who Judah was we could know his son is jacob

The secret to seeing the two witnesses is to look for the firstborn and the 2nd born with firstborn birthright




Ephraim 2nd born with firstborn birthright
Judah 1st born


Isaiah 11:

13The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.


Judah firstborn
Joseph 2nd born with firstborn birthright
Ezekiel 37:


16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.





1 chronicles 5:2:

King James Bible
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)



Judah firstborn
Jacob 2nd born with firstborn birthright

Hosea 10:11:

King James Bible
And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods.


Israel firstborn
Jacob 2nd born with firstborn birthright

Isaiah 44:5:

King James Version
One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

It's not another judas and Jesus as you assume there is only one king and priest which is Jesus..it's a Judah and Joseph scenerio....enjoy your cup judah(Ezekiel 37)..Joseph and judah...the two nations and the two represenratives (two witnesses)

We see the two anointed in Rev 11 and Zechariah 4 described as two olive trees:






Rev 11:
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.



we just saw a description of Elijah(shut heaven that it rain not) and description of Moses(turn the water to blood)



Zerrubbabel the civil leader from judah witness one
Joshua the high priest witness number two

why? because there are two anointed ...one civil(chief leader) and the other the priestly leader

Zech 4:

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



We know Moses was the civil leader and Aaron was the priest
We know Moses and Aaaron were both from levi so they could not be the two anointed of the end times as they were not from the right lines

We know Zerrubabel was from judah and Joshua the high priest was from levi..again not from the right lines.....we already know where to look to find out which tribes these two end time witnesses will be from

Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.



One witness will be from Judah(kingly)
The other witness will be from Joseph:




1 chronicles 5:2:

King James Bible
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)



Elijahs first appearance was from gad or some say possibly benjamin

Elijahs 2nd appearance was John from the tribe of Levi

Elijahs 3rd and final appearance will be from the line of Joseph according to Ezekiel 37 as he is the representative for Ephraim the 2nd born with firstborn nation




There will be a priestly witness and a kingly(civil leader) witness

David is the final king and will be from Judah as we see judah is the representative for the firstborn nation judah as it states Judah and his companions



So we have David from judah and will be the king


And we have Elijah the priest from the line of Joseph for the final two witnesses from the correct lines to represent the firstborn nation judah and 2nd born nation with firstborn birthright Ephraim



It is easy to identify the two witness

1. One is the king the other is the priest

2. One is firstborn the other is the 2nd born with firstborn birthright

They are in the volume of the book but they will be the only two from the correct lines and be the firstborn and 2nd born to fulfill the prophecies

The teacher of righteousness is the priest and a colleague of the king and not the king and knows the scriptures speak of him. The teacher is a forerunner to the king as the priestly comes before the kingly and we see in ezekiel 19 the first prince goes to egypt just as joseph did:



What is Elijah?...the PRIEST..what is David?...the king therefore David is not the teacher of righteousness.




Ezekiel 19:

1Moreover take thou up a lamentation for the princes of Israel,
2And say, What is thy mother? A lioness: she lay down among lions, she nourished her whelps among young lions.

3And she brought up one of her whelps: it became a young lion, and it learned to catch the prey; it devoured men.
4The nations also heard of him; he was taken in their pit, and they brought him with chains unto the land of Egypt.

Jeremiah 33:

24“Jeremiah, have you heard what the people are saying? They are saying, ‘The Lord turned away from the two families of Israel and Judah. He chose those people, but now he does not even accept them as a nation.’”

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What is the whole plan of this book?:




To get the firstborn(masculine) and the 2nd born(feminine) reunited and their children the first born and 2nd born with firstborn birth right reunited to make one kingdom again






and to give dominion to the firstborn as the kingly(civil leader) representative on earth and the 2nd born with firstborn birthright the priestly leader representative:




Notice Moses holds the Phallus and Aaron holds the egg in the original 1611 king james artwork:






Between Moshe and his brother Aaron, it is clear that Moshe performed the duties related to the masculine, Ark-of-the-Covenant focal point of the Tabernacle, while Aaron’s duties revolved around the service of the altar and the rest of the holy vessels, representing the feminine aspect of serving God. Indeed, as archetypal souls, Moshe and Aaron correspond to the two sefirot victory and acknowledgment, also a masculine-feminine pair.

We can now say that the role of the priesthood, represented by Aaron, is to function as does a woman in her household. In the Tabernacle (and later in the Holy Temple), Aaron and his sons were responsible for lighting the candles, baking the bread, setting the table; roles, that relative to the role given to Moshe Rabbeinu—hearing the Divine speech from between the two cherubs—are feminine in nature. Thus, to a certain extent the blossoming of a staff indicates the ability of the male to not only conquer the physical realm but to be sensitive to its needs and nurture its development and growth.4 God’s choice of Aaron for the role of the High Priest was based on his being a patriarchal leader who could connect with his feminine side and express the feminine yearning for serving God.



The Adam(firstborn) and Eve(2nd born) blessing to have "dominion over everything on earth"

This is why we see in the entire book it speaks of the firstborn and the 2nd born with the firstborn birthright ...the kingly and the priestly as one will have dominion through kingship and the other dominion through priesthood

Genesis 1:28:

King James Bible
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


If God is going to keep his promise to the firstborn you know he will do the same for the 2nd born because he cannot lie and both firstborn and 2nd born are promised "dominion over the whole earth"

Add something ole' man It's your destiny to follow me as you followed me here and you will follow me when I enter the stage until the throne room where the adversary of the high priest Joshua is rebuked and the two are united. I always enjoy how you see the firstborn and 2nd born as the same person...lol.






You can't hurt my feelings as Josephs' bow abides in strength

Genesis 49:24

“But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob;


Who is Jacob?.......the 2nd born with firstborn birthright

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Only Mormons really know what the OP is trying to convey.

lol...are you a mormon? Joseph Smith was a little early to be the end-time Joseph as the 3rd temple hadn't even been built yet.

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Mosiach in the paleo means , more appropriately , communicator.

So much lost from Paleo, to Hebrew , and well the Greek that is a whole story altogether.

Good to see you posting again friend. Pesach Shemni is this weekend...

There is speculation that when Daniel locked up the books , He went from Paleo to Hebrew.

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thanks for the post...have a good Pesach Shemi

An ephah is equal to the weight of a nuclear warhead. I speak only of the material. Zacheriah recorded such in Ch 5 I believe , coming from the land of Shinar. The peace sign in your sig, got me thinking about that.

Waterman,near the end of revelation it say's "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"

The Two Witnesses prophesy 1,260 days.
They are they who bare witness to the testimony of Jesus,the bible.

Shortly , now this will come to pass me thinks .....the prophet is poetically speaking about a nuclear warhead. Weights exactly the same , hmmm. Notice the prophet spoke about an ephah ( same weight as a warhead) going between , intercontinental , heaven and earth.

This vision was given to me in two parts , and this past Passover the meaning of the vision was given to me through the below verses.


And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
5:7
And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
5:8
And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
5:9
Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
5:10
Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
5:11
And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

The stork is an unclean bird, and referenced first where in the Torah? G-d is perfect, and there is meaning behind everything. Hidden from most, yet all in plain view.

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They will bare the witness of Jesus...but after the rapture of the church of Philadelphia and some of Sardis the age of grace will be over then it will be grace and works and the levitic and Davidic covenant will be back in effect as described in ezekiel and jeremiah...the age of grace alone will be over

You're right. A couple nights ago I was shown the seven women , who Isaiah spoke about in Ch 4 I believe . They're none other than the seven churches listed in Revelation, that represent a certain cluster of stars , in the Heavens. Philadelphia, now she was like a virgin, and I was shown her last for a reason.

Chapter 4 it was

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
4:2
In that day shall the branch of Yahweh be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
4:3
And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4:4
When Yahweh shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
4:5
And Yahweh will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
4:6
And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

.c.c

This is a great great verse it describes the firstborn and the 2nd born with the firstborn birthrtigh...jacob and Israel

Isaiah 44:5

King James Bible
One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.


The 2nd born jacob who also becomes an Israel realizes there are 2 Israels(reign as a prince)

LOOK FOR THE TWO WHO CLAIM TO BE JACOB 2ND BORN AND ISRAEL 1ST BORN AND YOU WILL FIND THE TWO WITNESSES

Judah(firstborn) and Joseph (2nd born with firstborn birthright)
...will they get along? Did they the first time?...lol not on your life because 1st borns never like the 2nd borns with firstborn birthright in the volume of the book read the book it's all in there





And another great great verse:

Hosea 10:11:

King James Bible
And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods.

Judah the firstborn will plow and Jacob the 2nd born with firstborn birthright will divide the blessings into two


And another great great verse:

Isaiah 11:13:

King James Version
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.


As we see the firstborn and 2nd born with firstborn birthright are so close they would have to know each other even though the firstborn would not be happy to see the 2nd born who had the other half of the blessings

And more great verses concerning firstborn and 2nd born

Ezekiel 37:


16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.



If someone knew who the firstborn was he would know he was the 2nd born with firstborn birthright......I could add more than 13 verses and cover the state of texas with quarters and only one quarter would make that 2nd born the 2nd born if someone really wanted 13 verses(though 13 seems a small number..lol)......if you do let me know.


I see you Judah(firstborn) and I won't deny that I don't






1st born and 2nd born with firstborn birthright...volume of the book

Eve 2nd born with firstborn birthright
Jacob 2nd born firstborn birthright
Joseph 2nd born born with firstborn birthright mother Rachael(also 2nd born)
Ephraim 2nd born with firstborn birthright


Issac 2nd born with firstborn birthright and his names means "laugher".....lol..lol...lol

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In the bible who is always the favored son?...The 2nd born

Issac
Jacob
Joseph
Ephraim

the younger son(2nd born with firstborn birthright)

Luke 15

11Then he said, “A man had two sons, 12and the younger son said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of your estate that should come to me.’ So the father divided the property between them.







The lines don't lie and David is from Judah but not from the line of Joseph(2nd born) from 2nd born mother Rachael(favored wife)






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Isaiah 52:15:

King James Bible
So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Can you see yet Judah?...No not yet but Psalms 55 describes who is who..you simply look for "who was whose guide"


Psalm 55:

12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me.

17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.

18 He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.

19 God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.

20 He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.

21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.



You have very large and buttery words...the largest word I know is dictionary and I have to use it to interpret your words.....it is clear who is who friend...readers digest has been your friend....or has it?...lol

Job 38:12
Parallel Verses
King James Version
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days;and caused the dayspring to know his place;

To not even know David comes from the line of Judah(firsborn) and not the line of Joseph(2nd born)...how do you even interpret scripture correctly it is impossible and you don't....it's a mystery to me..lol

The basics man the basics..find out who is from what line. If you can't get past that everything is screwed up(Ezek 37) Judah and Joseph...but then again if every blessing is in your interest you have to be firstborn and 2nd born just as the nation of Judah believes and as representative of that nation you will believe as they do....lol

Kings come from Judah not Joseph..hence the two sticks of Ezek 37:...Jesus is no longer a servant


24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

There is no room for the 2nd born in their and your misunderstanding and the sacrifice of Jesus becomes obsolete so you are an offense to the 2nd born and more importantly to Jesus...hence the rebuke in the throne room

Matthew 16;23:


King James Bible
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Zechariah 3:1;

King James Bible
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

Zechariah 3:2
King James Bible
And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?












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David is the king in the millennium and we see from zechariah 3 joshua is the high priest. David is the civil leader and the other witness will be in charge of the levitic priesthood and temple that Jeremiah and Ezekiel describe will be if effect

In the beginning of the book of genesis the firstborn and the 2nd born are promised dominion over everything that moves on earth and one will have dominion with the kingship and the other will have dominion with the priesthood

The age of grace alone will be over before the millennium starts and the two witnesses will re-instate the levitic and davidic covenant that is promised to last as long as the sun and moon and to fulfill scripture.. and how long is that? It is until they new heaven and new earth come as we see there is no need for the sun and moon in the new heaven and new earth but there is in the millennium:


Jeremiah 33:

17For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
19And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.


Rev 21 the new heaven and new earth after the millennium...notice the covenant of the sun and moon isn't broken until then:

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Why is David the king and Joshua the high priest...because one person can't be both king and high priest or it is no longer a levitic priesthood it is a melchelzedek priesthood and Jesus' priesthood which he will be ruling with from heaven as the things of heaven are higher than the things of earth. David is simply the representative of Jesus' kingly side on earth and Joshua is the representative of Jesus' priestly side on earth...just as Moses and Aaron were.

The bible is easily divided in to two groups

1. kingly and priestly
2. firstborn and 2nd born with firstborn birthright

Isaiah 45:4:

King James Bible
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.


When you read jacob it is saying 2nd born with firstborn birthright......when you read Israel it is saying firstborn

So what it is saying is jacob my 2nd born with firstborn birthright you have been surnamed(to have many flattering names and titles)...and then it is saying to the other servant the firstborn Israel you have been surnamed(to have many flattering names and titles).....what are those names? They are in the volume of the book


1 first born Adam...2nd born with firstborn birthright Eve
2. Judah firstborn...Joseph 2nd born with firstborn birthright
3. Israel firstborn....Jacob 2nd born with firstborn birthright
4 Zerrubbabel civil leader....Joshua high priest(the two anointed)
5 Moses civil leader...Aaron high priest
6 David king(civil leader)...elijah priest


....and the list goes on and on. One the king(civil leader) and the other the priest. One the firstborn and the other the 2nd born with firstborn birthright

and at the end of the millenium they will sit on the left and right of Jesus in the new heaven and new earth as representing the levitic priesthood and davidic kingship that was in the former world



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Why would God have two witnesses?

To fulfill the promise made to the firstborn and 2nd born to have dominion over everything that moves on earth

Why is david made king and Joshua the high priest?

To fulfill the promise of the levitic priesthood and davidic kingship lasting as long as the sun and moon

The levitic priesthood can't be run by the king or it becomes melchelzedek priesthood that is the purpose of the other witnesses dominion


And yet you try to fill the position of both witnesses offices



In the throne room why would there only be one witness receiving instruction and receiving power before the beginning of the 1260 ministry?

They are both there but one (the manchild) is firstborn and is adversary to the 2nd born because he believes he should have the priesthood dominion as well as the kingship

Wake up friend the 2nd born gets the birthright and priesthood...the firstborn gets the kingdom and sceptre.

You fight against your own partner



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We know David is king and shown going to the throne room in revelation as the manchild

We know Joshua is high priest and shown going to the throne room in Zechariah

To fulfill the prophecies of Jeremiah and EzekiEl there has to be a separation of the kingship and priesthood as it is levitic and davidic and that is why there are two witnesses...one firstborn and the other the 2nd born with firstborn birthright...one the king and the other the high priest

The 2nd born can always see the firstborn before the firstborn can see the 2nd born

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No comment firstborn judah.... at least tell me you disagree until the fulness of the gemtiles and the throne room visit.






1 Chronicles 5:2King James Version (KJV)
2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)....who is joseph?..the 2nd born not firstborn with the firstborn birthright




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