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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61469873 Sweden 08/11/2014 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. This is en essence exactly what this theory is saying! They claim the 3D Universe was born from a 4D Universe, which would then have needed to be born from a 5D Universe, spawned from a 6D Universe and so on. Turtles all the way down. And an "explanation" that explains nothing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52848476 United States 08/11/2014 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. Okay for one thing!! The Earth is not billions of years old. And not even millions of years old. And it is probably around 10,000 years old tops. Those carbon based scientific lies are done to fool people into not believing in creationism. But if you die without Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour; then you will be sucked straight down into hell, which is in the center of the Earth, and you will see the horrific tormenting's of the demons down there. And you will experience the fires that will be scorching you and making your eternal stay in hell very painful and agonizing indeed!! Serve Jesus Christ instead and live like a god or goddess in heaven and on the renovated and beautified Earth, forever and ever and ever!! Quoting: moses787 that's great and all, but did you know that the earth was actually born from chaos, and jesus christ is a lie to detract you from our lady and savior artemis? if you piss her off dogs will eat you Hey if you wanna sideline Yahushuah go for it, you're the one who's gonna answer to the Lord for it come great White Throne Judgement time. I feel so bad for you. With this stubbornness you will end up like Prometheus... Only one power can stand against Zeus, and I pray She will free you before His Eagle descends upon your liver. Pray to Artemis that She will spare you His wrath. |
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Mortimer User ID: 44065675 United States 08/11/2014 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. You look into the heavens and you see things, my they look like the inside of the brain of man, hum, got synapses and the all they other parts of the brain. Strange, if you look closer you see the atoms, all about the space, goodness. We must be in a brain of some kind, or someplace in the body. That big bang was a sounds we heard from inside the big brain or body we are in. Oh, goodness what shall we do, the shaking we call earth quakes, are the body of it shaking off something that is wrong with it, could we be causing it? There could be a mathematical equation to figure it out, before we do anything that would cause the big thing we are in, to think we caused a virus. We must be tiny compared to what we are in, lord, what have we been doing. Does it know we are here? What if it doesn't, there could be another flood, like we had in history. It could be drinking fluid and the fires, could be heart burn. The water was to calm it. We, could be in a dangerous position. One wrong move and were could be wiped out of existence. There may be a way to talk to it, we might, if we are inside its head we could send signals, we are here. That could be dangerous, if it gave it gets a headache, what we think as comets and meteors could be for pain, relief when we fire rocket, and bombs. This needs many years of quite reflections. Oh, I just thought of something, what if we are it's dreams. I do not want to do anymore work, on this project. I have seen the error of my ways, I will go home and sit, while I can think, I am real. Daddy, what is wrong with you? You don't look so good daddy, have you got a headache. Mom says, sometimes God gets a headache when, you talk about the big bang, when he did that himself, when he spoke the word, he loud you know. Mommy is smart, she said, it is best not to make, the one who made use mad, or give him a headache, he might take us out, like when he had a belly full of the things that happen before the flood. You think mommy smart to daddy? Yes, sweetie I think she is smart. I like what she said, I think I sit here and think about it. Glad I know he made the heavens to reflect man. That is how he hears us. Daughter out with my own way. |
WhiteCosmicWizard User ID: 61026059 Australia 08/11/2014 04:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. This is en essence exactly what this theory is saying! They claim the 3D Universe was born from a 4D Universe, which would then have needed to be born from a 5D Universe, spawned from a 6D Universe and so on. Turtles all the way down. And an "explanation" that explains nothing. Yeah but the article said a black hole's event horizon in this universe is 2D which means if you went through it you would end up in 1D. 2D universe is skipped altogether, I think the article may be wrong. |
R... User ID: 572408 Netherlands 08/11/2014 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. that's some cool theory right there "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
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Em18966 User ID: 56354288 Bulgaria 08/11/2014 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. The big bang poses a number of BIG questions. Quoting: Banachek For instance: 1. What exploded? 2. Where did the physical laws come from governing that bang? Conservation of Mass Conservation of Angular Momentum Conservation of Energy Rate of Expansion etc.... Personally, I prefer the biblical explanation: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the Earth... Sigh. Then what created gawd? Whether we were created by gawd or by some random explosion, the question of what came before the creation still remains. |
Em18966 User ID: 56354288 Bulgaria 08/11/2014 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. Well, if I was going to make a theory, like they do not enough facts to prove anything, I would not start with the bang. Quoting: Mortimer You look into the heavens and you see things, my they look like the inside of the brain of man, hum, got synapses and the all they other parts of the brain. Strange, if you look closer you see the atoms, all about the space, goodness. We must be in a brain of some kind, or someplace in the body. That big bang was a sounds we heard from inside the big brain or body we are in. Oh, goodness what shall we do, the shaking we call earth quakes, are the body of it shaking off something that is wrong with it, could we be causing it? There could be a mathematical equation to figure it out, before we do anything that would cause the big thing we are in, to think we caused a virus. We must be tiny compared to what we are in, lord, what have we been doing. Does it know we are here? What if it doesn't, there could be another flood, like we had in history. It could be drinking fluid and the fires, could be heart burn. The water was to calm it. We, could be in a dangerous position. One wrong move and were could be wiped out of existence. There may be a way to talk to it, we might, if we are inside its head we could send signals, we are here. That could be dangerous, if it gave it gets a headache, what we think as comets and meteors could be for pain, relief when we fire rocket, and bombs. This needs many years of quite reflections. Oh, I just thought of something, what if we are it's dreams. I do not want to do anymore work, on this project. I have seen the error of my ways, I will go home and sit, while I can think, I am real. Daddy, what is wrong with you? You don't look so good daddy, have you got a headache. Mom says, sometimes God gets a headache when, you talk about the big bang, when he did that himself, when he spoke the word, he loud you know. Mommy is smart, she said, it is best not to make, the one who made use mad, or give him a headache, he might take us out, like when he had a belly full of the things that happen before the flood. You think mommy smart to daddy? Yes, sweetie I think she is smart. I like what she said, I think I sit here and think about it. Glad I know he made the heavens to reflect man. That is how he hears us. I, too, have wondered if we were not mere thoughts. The thoughts of a giant brain of a giant organism we can't begin to fathom. It does seem that OUR thoughts can have an impact on the physical world around us, that we are birthing it with our intentions and dreams. The collective subconscious, if you will. I don't think we'll ever know for sure. I do know that it doesn't take a whole lot of observation to realize that our reality is very much fractal in nature, and that it is also cyclical. Chances are, what reality is and is not, the big bang or a black hole or whatever, is all a matter of perspective and nothing else. I take comfort in the fact that everything we observe indicates that nothing is lost or goes away in this universe. It changes and recycles and expands and contracts and goes through metamorphosis, but it doesn't disappear. I can't imagine that human consciousness (or consciousness in general) would be the one exception to the rule. Indeed, I have a theory that consciousness is as much a part of the fabric of the cosmos as space and time, and that the extent to which anything or anyone is able to experience consciousness has to do with the matter in which the consciousness becomes entangled. But that's another thread. |
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R... User ID: 572408 Netherlands 08/11/2014 06:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. it's not about infinite learning, it's about infinite experiencing. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61475233 Portugal 08/11/2014 06:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. The black hole at the birth of the Universe Quoting: The Joker Summary: The big bang poses a big question: if it was indeed the cataclysm that blasted our universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago, what sparked it? Three Perimeter Institute researchers have a new idea about what might have come before the big bang. It's a bit perplexing, but it is grounded in sound mathematics and is it testable? Read: [link to www.sciencedaily.com] The nothing does not exist, so the nothing cannot create. Something had to be already in existence for the BigBang to be triggered. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61475233 Portugal 08/11/2014 06:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. Read your published story.I had a vision sometime ago where I saw that Universes are formed through the stored energy sucked by black holes.That energy has to go to somewhere else,nothing is lost,everything is transformed. When that space(dimension) is filled to its capacity,it explodes,giving birth to a new Universe. My theory is a bit different but somewhat similar to your presented story. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61325117 United Kingdom 08/11/2014 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. Ok. This would lend credence to the holographic universe theory then, wouldn't it? I've read up on that theory, and it seems plausible. Quoting: wishiwas Of course it's plausible, it's just not testable. It is testable. They're working on it. [link to www.symmetrymagazine.org] [link to phys.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61325117 United Kingdom 08/11/2014 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. Well, if I was going to make a theory, like they do not enough facts to prove anything, I would not start with the bang. Quoting: Mortimer You look into the heavens and you see things, my they look like the inside of the brain of man, hum, got synapses and the all they other parts of the brain. Strange, if you look closer you see the atoms, all about the space, goodness. We must be in a brain of some kind, or someplace in the body. That big bang was a sounds we heard from inside the big brain or body we are in. Oh, goodness what shall we do, the shaking we call earth quakes, are the body of it shaking off something that is wrong with it, could we be causing it? There could be a mathematical equation to figure it out, before we do anything that would cause the big thing we are in, to think we caused a virus. We must be tiny compared to what we are in, lord, what have we been doing. Does it know we are here? What if it doesn't, there could be another flood, like we had in history. It could be drinking fluid and the fires, could be heart burn. The water was to calm it. We, could be in a dangerous position. One wrong move and were could be wiped out of existence. There may be a way to talk to it, we might, if we are inside its head we could send signals, we are here. That could be dangerous, if it gave it gets a headache, what we think as comets and meteors could be for pain, relief when we fire rocket, and bombs. This needs many years of quite reflections. Oh, I just thought of something, what if we are it's dreams. I do not want to do anymore work, on this project. I have seen the error of my ways, I will go home and sit, while I can think, I am real. Daddy, what is wrong with you? You don't look so good daddy, have you got a headache. Mom says, sometimes God gets a headache when, you talk about the big bang, when he did that himself, when he spoke the word, he loud you know. Mommy is smart, she said, it is best not to make, the one who made use mad, or give him a headache, he might take us out, like when he had a belly full of the things that happen before the flood. You think mommy smart to daddy? Yes, sweetie I think she is smart. I like what she said, I think I sit here and think about it. Glad I know he made the heavens to reflect man. That is how he hears us. I, too, have wondered if we were not mere thoughts. The thoughts of a giant brain of a giant organism we can't begin to fathom. It does seem that OUR thoughts can have an impact on the physical world around us, that we are birthing it with our intentions and dreams. The collective subconscious, if you will. I don't think we'll ever know for sure. I do know that it doesn't take a whole lot of observation to realize that our reality is very much fractal in nature, and that it is also cyclical. Chances are, what reality is and is not, the big bang or a black hole or whatever, is all a matter of perspective and nothing else. I take comfort in the fact that everything we observe indicates that nothing is lost or goes away in this universe. It changes and recycles and expands and contracts and goes through metamorphosis, but it doesn't disappear. I can't imagine that human consciousness (or consciousness in general) would be the one exception to the rule. Indeed, I have a theory that consciousness is as much a part of the fabric of the cosmos as space and time, and that the extent to which anything or anyone is able to experience consciousness has to do with the matter in which the consciousness becomes entangled. But that's another thread. "It is difficult for the matter-of-fact physicist to accept the view that the substratum of everything is of mental character." -Arthur Eddington 1882-1844 "As careful attention shows, thought itself is in an actual process of movement. That is to say, one can feel a sense of flow in the stream of consciousness not dissimilar to the sense of flow in the movement of matter in general. May not thought itself thus be a part of reality as a whole?" -David Bohm 1917-1992 “A human being is a part of the whole, called by us, “Universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness." - Albert Einstein 1879-1955 All of our greatest scientists sooner or later come to understand consciousness as the ground of our existence, literally that source from which we and all else arose. (Of course, the spiritual folks have always known this....;-) |
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Em18966 User ID: 56354288 Bulgaria 08/11/2014 07:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. Well, if I was going to make a theory, like they do not enough facts to prove anything, I would not start with the bang. Quoting: Mortimer You look into the heavens and you see things, my they look like the inside of the brain of man, hum, got synapses and the all they other parts of the brain. Strange, if you look closer you see the atoms, all about the space, goodness. We must be in a brain of some kind, or someplace in the body. That big bang was a sounds we heard from inside the big brain or body we are in. Oh, goodness what shall we do, the shaking we call earth quakes, are the body of it shaking off something that is wrong with it, could we be causing it? There could be a mathematical equation to figure it out, before we do anything that would cause the big thing we are in, to think we caused a virus. We must be tiny compared to what we are in, lord, what have we been doing. Does it know we are here? What if it doesn't, there could be another flood, like we had in history. It could be drinking fluid and the fires, could be heart burn. The water was to calm it. We, could be in a dangerous position. One wrong move and were could be wiped out of existence. There may be a way to talk to it, we might, if we are inside its head we could send signals, we are here. That could be dangerous, if it gave it gets a headache, what we think as comets and meteors could be for pain, relief when we fire rocket, and bombs. This needs many years of quite reflections. Oh, I just thought of something, what if we are it's dreams. I do not want to do anymore work, on this project. I have seen the error of my ways, I will go home and sit, while I can think, I am real. Daddy, what is wrong with you? You don't look so good daddy, have you got a headache. Mom says, sometimes God gets a headache when, you talk about the big bang, when he did that himself, when he spoke the word, he loud you know. Mommy is smart, she said, it is best not to make, the one who made use mad, or give him a headache, he might take us out, like when he had a belly full of the things that happen before the flood. You think mommy smart to daddy? Yes, sweetie I think she is smart. I like what she said, I think I sit here and think about it. Glad I know he made the heavens to reflect man. That is how he hears us. I, too, have wondered if we were not mere thoughts. The thoughts of a giant brain of a giant organism we can't begin to fathom. It does seem that OUR thoughts can have an impact on the physical world around us, that we are birthing it with our intentions and dreams. The collective subconscious, if you will. I don't think we'll ever know for sure. I do know that it doesn't take a whole lot of observation to realize that our reality is very much fractal in nature, and that it is also cyclical. Chances are, what reality is and is not, the big bang or a black hole or whatever, is all a matter of perspective and nothing else. I take comfort in the fact that everything we observe indicates that nothing is lost or goes away in this universe. It changes and recycles and expands and contracts and goes through metamorphosis, but it doesn't disappear. I can't imagine that human consciousness (or consciousness in general) would be the one exception to the rule. Indeed, I have a theory that consciousness is as much a part of the fabric of the cosmos as space and time, and that the extent to which anything or anyone is able to experience consciousness has to do with the matter in which the consciousness becomes entangled. But that's another thread. "It is difficult for the matter-of-fact physicist to accept the view that the substratum of everything is of mental character." -Arthur Eddington 1882-1844 "As careful attention shows, thought itself is in an actual process of movement. That is to say, one can feel a sense of flow in the stream of consciousness not dissimilar to the sense of flow in the movement of matter in general. May not thought itself thus be a part of reality as a whole?" -David Bohm 1917-1992 “A human being is a part of the whole, called by us, “Universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness." - Albert Einstein 1879-1955 All of our greatest scientists sooner or later come to understand consciousness as the ground of our existence, literally that source from which we and all else arose. (Of course, the spiritual folks have always known this....;-) This, in a nutshell. It was the moment of awareness that spawned everything that followed, and that awareness is a part of everything that was spawned. Because without an observer, we are left with virtually nothing. Quantum physics demonstrates this clearly. I think many people have a misconception of the idea of god or creator. Alas, that is just me. Good vibes your way. |
TheW33B0 User ID: 17264095 United States 08/11/2014 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. This. It is everything that every was or ever will be. We will all experience it all, I think, or have experienced it all, from virtually every perspective imaginable. It's the only way we can learn. Agreed. I believe there are an infinite amount of galaxies in each atom so we are essentially made up of an infinite amount of galaxies and out galaxy is but a fraction of an atom of a much larger galaxy....for all we know our "big bang" was someone in the bigger galaxy dropped and broke their plate lol |
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Krazy Effin Ivan User ID: 58788621 United States 08/11/2014 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. The big bang poses a number of BIG questions. Quoting: Banachek For instance: 1. What exploded? 2. Where did the physical laws come from governing that bang? Conservation of Mass Conservation of Angular Momentum Conservation of Energy Rate of Expansion etc.... Personally, I prefer the biblical explanation: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the Earth... I am with you on this, But I wonder what did God Create It All With? |