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vedklyvare User ID: 50979366 Sweden 08/09/2014 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's no such thing as inherited sin. The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18 1-4 vedklyvare |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7230383 United States 08/09/2014 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's no such thing as inherited sin. Quoting: vedklyvare The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18 1-4 What about original sin then? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56346800 United States 08/09/2014 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. |
vedklyvare User ID: 61401098 Sweden 08/09/2014 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? Last Edited by vedklyvare on 08/09/2014 02:51 PM vedklyvare |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56346800 United States 08/09/2014 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? It seems the disciples are asking whether it was hereditary sin or not. As for the reincarnation part... The disciples ask "who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" So their disciples were curious if it was him who sinned to be born that way...how can someone sin before they are born? In a past life is likely the answer. Also notice how Jesus never questioned His disciples for asking such a question, but simply gave them their answer. |
vedklyvare User ID: 61401098 Sweden 08/09/2014 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? It seems the disciples are asking whether it was hereditary sin or not. As for the reincarnation part... The disciples ask "who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" So their disciples were curious if it was him who sinned to be born that way...how can someone sin before they are born? In a past life is likely the answer. Also notice how Jesus never questioned His disciples for asking such a question, but simply gave them their answer. Read the verse I posted, Ezekiel 18 1-4. Hereditary sin was a common belief among the children of Israel hence Ezekiel 18 1-4, and hence Jesus not questioning the disciples for asking such a question but rather refuting the notion. vedklyvare |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56346800 United States 08/09/2014 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56346800 Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? It seems the disciples are asking whether it was hereditary sin or not. As for the reincarnation part... The disciples ask "who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" So their disciples were curious if it was him who sinned to be born that way...how can someone sin before they are born? In a past life is likely the answer. Also notice how Jesus never questioned His disciples for asking such a question, but simply gave them their answer. Read the verse I posted, Ezekiel 18 1-4. Hereditary sin was a common belief among the children of Israel hence Ezekiel 18 1-4, and hence Jesus not questioning the disciples for asking such a question but rather refuting the notion. Understood, and I wasn't pointing toward that verse to try and prove anything. Just thought it was relevant to the topic and could provide additional insight. In fact they don't ask if the sin is inherited, but yet the punishment for sins. What is your opinion on that? Also what is your opinion on the other part...asking if it was him who sinned to be born blind...? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56346800 United States 08/09/2014 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56346800 Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? It seems the disciples are asking whether it was hereditary sin or not. As for the reincarnation part... The disciples ask "who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" So their disciples were curious if it was him who sinned to be born that way...how can someone sin before they are born? In a past life is likely the answer. Also notice how Jesus never questioned His disciples for asking such a question, but simply gave them their answer. Read the verse I posted, Ezekiel 18 1-4. Hereditary sin was a common belief among the children of Israel hence Ezekiel 18 1-4, and hence Jesus not questioning the disciples for asking such a question but rather refuting the notion. And He did not refute the notion, he simply had a different answer. He did not refute their questioning. |
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Oath User ID: 53699762 Canada 08/09/2014 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have no idea where they come from, you just are to blame for it. Quoting: KNIGHT OF PLENTYMORE Do unto your neighbour as you wish to be done unto yourself. There is no inherited sin, you are guilty of the sin you commit, not that of your father or mother. Below, the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. Ezekiel 18:19-20 King James Version (KJV) 19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. |
vedklyvare User ID: 61403825 Sweden 08/09/2014 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: vedklyvare Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? It seems the disciples are asking whether it was hereditary sin or not. As for the reincarnation part... The disciples ask "who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" So their disciples were curious if it was him who sinned to be born that way...how can someone sin before they are born? In a past life is likely the answer. Also notice how Jesus never questioned His disciples for asking such a question, but simply gave them their answer. Read the verse I posted, Ezekiel 18 1-4. Hereditary sin was a common belief among the children of Israel hence Ezekiel 18 1-4, and hence Jesus not questioning the disciples for asking such a question but rather refuting the notion. And He did not refute the notion, he simply had a different answer. He did not refute their questioning. Yes, I see your point. I think the false doctrine of hereditary sin stems from misunderstanding Exodus 20:5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; The punishment of going after strange gods was being lead into captivity, thus the punishment becomes transgenerational. But every soul will carry its own individual sin. The second false notion I think is being adressed by Jesus was that bodily or other forms of affliction was deemed a punishment or a curse from God for sinfulness. He was blind, therefore he was a sinner. (How he could sin prior to being born I have no idea.) Just as leprosy was viewed; a result of sin and impurity. And just a Job was falsely charged guilty in his affliction. Remember, I pray thee, who ever perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off? Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed. Job 4:7-9 But the blind man wasn't a sinner, nor was his parents, but it happened "so that the works of God might be displayed in him". On a similar topic: Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish Luke 13:4-5 Last Edited by vedklyvare on 08/09/2014 04:03 PM vedklyvare |
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KNIGHT OF PLENTYMORE (OP) User ID: 61427999 Belgium 08/10/2014 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just going to leave this here: 1 John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. That verse also happens to point to reincarnation in the bible. Such love Jesus possessed. Guard your heart for it determines the course of your life. |
KNIGHT OF PLENTYMORE (OP) User ID: 61427999 Belgium 08/10/2014 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: vedklyvare Are you saying that verse points to hereditary sin or the opposite? And where's the reincarnation part? It seems the disciples are asking whether it was hereditary sin or not. As for the reincarnation part... The disciples ask "who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" So their disciples were curious if it was him who sinned to be born that way...how can someone sin before they are born? In a past life is likely the answer. Also notice how Jesus never questioned His disciples for asking such a question, but simply gave them their answer. Read the verse I posted, Ezekiel 18 1-4. Hereditary sin was a common belief among the children of Israel hence Ezekiel 18 1-4, and hence Jesus not questioning the disciples for asking such a question but rather refuting the notion. And He did not refute the notion, he simply had a different answer. He did not refute their questioning. yes, what an amazing man. Guard your heart for it determines the course of your life. |