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TRINITY CHRISTIANS... Please tell me why Revelation 1 is Hogwash

 
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Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Here we have a scriptural account of " GOD " giving " JESUS " a revelation of things to come to show to his servents thing that must shortly come to pass.

This is AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead and now in his glorified body. So if Jesus is " God " or equal why is " GOD " GIVING " JESUS " a revelation ?
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Come on now... surley there are some trinty defenders that will come on and defend their docrine and explain why the word of God is hogwash. I know your out there
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Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Here we have a scriptural account of " GOD " giving " JESUS " a revelation of things to come to show to his servents thing that must shortly come to pass.

This is AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead and now in his glorified body. So if Jesus is " God " or equal why is " GOD " GIVING " JESUS " a revelation ?
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Why would anyone want to waste time on an idiot?
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Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Here we have a scriptural account of " GOD " giving " JESUS " a revelation of things to come to show to his servents thing that must shortly come to pass.

This is AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead and now in his glorified body. So if Jesus is " God " or equal why is " GOD " GIVING " JESUS " a revelation ?
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Why would anyone want to waste time on an idiot?
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You just took time to 1star the thread and took time to coment with a un-intelligent resopnse. Who is the idiot ?
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From my research there are verse to show God is the same as Jesus, but also other verses to show they're different. There appears to be more verses to support the latter.

Regardless

When you read the very words of Jesus, our salvation isn't dependent upon whether we believe Jesus is or isn't God.

Read carefully and specifically what Jesus says himself, about how to be saved.

You'll find what Jesus requires for salvation, is different from the majority of what most churches teach.
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revelation 1 is not hogwash
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From my research there are verse to show God is the same as Jesus, but also other verses to show they're different. There appears to be more verses to support the latter.

Regardless

When you read the very words of Jesus, our salvation isn't dependent upon whether we believe Jesus is or isn't God.

Read carefully and specifically what Jesus says himself, about how to be saved.

You'll find what Jesus requires for salvation, is different from the majority of what most churches teach.
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I tend to agree. My experience has been that from mainstream christiandom that if one does not except Jesus as either God himself or co- equal to God, then that individual is on there way to burn in a terroistic hell fire hole for ever. Which is a lie from the devil himself
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revelation 1 is not hogwash
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Thank you.. I know is not hogwash and what is hogwash is the trinty docrine of men.
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Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Here we have a scriptural account of " GOD " giving " JESUS " a revelation of things to come to show to his servents thing that must shortly come to pass.

This is AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead and now in his glorified body. So if Jesus is " God " or equal why is " GOD " GIVING " JESUS " a revelation ?
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Why would anyone want to waste time on an idiot?
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You just took time to 1star the thread and took time to coment with a un-intelligent resopnse. Who is the idiot ?
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Ahhh, someone got his little feelings hurt.
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The mystery of God is not yet revealed

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


no one prophet understands everything above
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The mystery of God is not yet revealed

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


no one prophet understands everything above
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There is no mystery to the fact that John 3:16 is just what is recorded

John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY begotten SON that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

NOT as trinty doctrine says... For the co-equal godhead so loved the world that Jesus a co-equal chose to step out of the godhead that whosoever believe he is God or a co- equal should have everlasting life.
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From my research there are verse to show God is the same as Jesus, but also other verses to show they're different. There appears to be more verses to support the latter.

Regardless

When you read the very words of Jesus, our salvation isn't dependent upon whether we believe Jesus is or isn't God.

Read carefully and specifically what Jesus says himself, about how to be saved.

You'll find what Jesus requires for salvation, is different from the majority of what most churches teach.
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I tend to agree. My experience has been that from mainstream christiandom that if one does not except Jesus as either God himself or co- equal to God, then that individual is on there way to burn in a terroistic hell fire hole for ever. Which is a lie from the devil himself
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I partly agree. They do teach that one must accept Jesus, but this alone is sufficient (aka "once saved always saved"). They or the Bible doesn't teach one must accept Jesus to be God, or to be separate from God, but one must merely accept Jesus.

The basis for this can be found in Romans.

However, when you read what Jesus actually says, you get a different message of salvation.

For example in Mathew 25, in the parable of the goats and the sheep. Jesus says the goat are separated and will be sent to eternal punishment, since they didn't clothe, feed, etc, those in need. Notice Jesus didn't say, they're going to eternal punishment because they didn't believe or accept me.

Also, Jesus himself also stated not everyone who says Lord, Lord, will be saved, but only those who "doeth the will" of God.

So notice he said "doeth" which implies actions / works that's pleasing to God.

So likewise, he didn't say not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will be saved, but only those who believe or accept me will be saved. Again rather, the requirement for salvation is here doing the will of God.
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The mystery of God is not yet revealed

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


no one prophet understands everything above
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There is no mystery to the fact that John 3:16 is just what is recorded

John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY begotten SON that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

NOT as trinty doctrine says... For the co-equal godhead so loved the world that Jesus a co-equal chose to step out of the godhead that whosoever believe he is God or a co- equal should have everlasting life.
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How do you explain these if no mystery


Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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Am waiting op
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The mystery of God is not yet revealed

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


no one prophet understands everything above
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61215665


There is no mystery to the fact that John 3:16 is just what is recorded

John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY begotten SON that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

NOT as trinty doctrine says... For the co-equal godhead so loved the world that Jesus a co-equal chose to step out of the godhead that whosoever believe he is God or a co- equal should have everlasting life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55195292

How do you explain these if no mystery


Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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If you study the bible, you will find that God the father is referenced as the " ALL MIGHTY" and his son Jesus is referenced as " MIGHTY " NO WHERE in the bible will you find that the son is referenced as "THE ALL MIGHTY" there is reason for this. Here is one of many scriptual reasons I will site.

Psalm 83:18King James Version (KJV)

18 That men may know that thou, whose NAME ALONeE is JEHOVAH, art the MOST HIGH over all the earth.
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The mystery of God is not yet revealed

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


no one prophet understands everything above
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There is no mystery to the fact that John 3:16 is just what is recorded

John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY begotten SON that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

NOT as trinty doctrine says... For the co-equal godhead so loved the world that Jesus a co-equal chose to step out of the godhead that whosoever believe he is God or a co- equal should have everlasting life.
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How do you explain these if no mystery


Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61215665


If you study the bible, you will find that God the father is referenced as the " ALL MIGHTY" and his son Jesus is referenced as " MIGHTY " NO WHERE in the bible will you find that the son is referenced as "THE ALL MIGHTY" there is reason for this. Here is one of many scriptual reasons I will site.

Psalm 83:18King James Version (KJV)

18 That men may know that thou, whose NAME ALONeE is JEHOVAH, art the MOST HIGH over all the earth.
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How do you explain Isaiah 9:6 where the son will be called almighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I told you, its a mystery
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I meant the mighty God *
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The revelation was to the author of the book of revelation. Not to our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.
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There is no mystery to the fact that John 3:16 is just what is recorded

John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY begotten SON that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

NOT as trinty doctrine says... For the co-equal godhead so loved the world that Jesus a co-equal chose to step out of the godhead that whosoever believe he is God or a co- equal should have everlasting life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55195292

How do you explain these if no mystery


Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61215665


If you study the bible, you will find that God the father is referenced as the " ALL MIGHTY" and his son Jesus is referenced as " MIGHTY " NO WHERE in the bible will you find that the son is referenced as "THE ALL MIGHTY" there is reason for this. Here is one of many scriptual reasons I will site.

Psalm 83:18King James Version (KJV)

18 That men may know that thou, whose NAME ALONeE is JEHOVAH, art the MOST HIGH over all the earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55195292


How do you explain Isaiah 9:6 where the son will be called almighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I told you, its a mystery
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What is wrong with you ?? Do you not know how to read or comprehend or both ? Isaiah 9:6 does not say he would be called the allmighty! It says " mighty" go back to school and work on your reading and comprension as you obiviously did not read and comprehend my previous reply or read your bible either.
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The revelation was to the author of the book of revelation. Not to our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.
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^THIS^
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How do you explain these if no mystery


Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61215665


If you study the bible, you will find that God the father is referenced as the " ALL MIGHTY" and his son Jesus is referenced as " MIGHTY " NO WHERE in the bible will you find that the son is referenced as "THE ALL MIGHTY" there is reason for this. Here is one of many scriptual reasons I will site.

Psalm 83:18King James Version (KJV)

18 That men may know that thou, whose NAME ALONeE is JEHOVAH, art the MOST HIGH over all the earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55195292


How do you explain Isaiah 9:6 where the son will be called almighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I told you, its a mystery
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What is wrong with you ?? Do you not know how to read or comprehend or both ? Isaiah 9:6 does not say he would be called the allmighty! It says " mighty" go back to school and work on your reading and comprension as you obiviously did not read and comprehend my previous reply or read your bible either.
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No need for harsh comment. I corrected myself in next post.
Yes its Mighty God. But its still a mystery because Jesus is called Mighty God.
God i repeat.

Revelations 1 says God too.
So Jesus is God, The Father is God. Mighty or Almighty, i call it a mystery.
When Jesus returns, that will be the time to ask Who He really is and the mystery. Adiós.
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1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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The revelation was to the author of the book of revelation. Not to our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.
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You obiviously dont know how to read and comprehend. Try to read it again or have someone who has graduated high school and knows how to read and comprhend, then come back to discuss.
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1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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Do your home work before you come on here siting that verse. It is a known fact across the board whether you believe trinity or not that last part of that verse was added years later and was not in the oringinal manuscripts.
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The revelation was to the author of the book of revelation. Not to our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.
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^THIS^
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You need to go back to school too! Learn to read anf comprehend. You will go farther in life and it will benifit you if you learn this skill
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It is obvious that our education system has failed in teaching, particularly in reading and comprension by some of the responses here.
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I believe in a trinity but not as Christians teach it!

Eg. Body, Soul and Spirit. This is where 'Body', in whatever form it may be, is the vessel that houses 'Soul'. 'Soul' is the Entity or Being that is Etheric and Eternal and 'Spirit' is the Energy Signature or Nature by which a Being may be identified or known!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Here we have a scriptural account of " GOD " giving " JESUS " a revelation of things to come to show to his servents thing that must shortly come to pass.

This is AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead and now in his glorified body. So if Jesus is " God " or equal why is " GOD " GIVING " JESUS " a revelation ?
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Let us make man in our (plural) image, so God made man in his own (singular) image.

Get it?


Genesis 1:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.




Let us (plural) go down and confound their language, so the LORD (singular) scattered them.


Get it?





Genesis 11:7-8

King James Version (KJV)

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.




There are three that bear record in heaven and these three are one.

The Father, The Word, The Holy Ghost, One God.

Get it?



1 John 5:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.




We are made in Gods image

the body, the soul, the spirit, one man.

Get it?



1 Thessalonians 5:23

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23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I believe in a trinity but not as Christians teach it!

Eg. Body, Soul and Spirit. This is where 'Body', in whatever form it may be, is the vessel that houses 'Soul'. 'Soul' is the Entity or Being that is Etheric and Eternal and 'Spirit' is the Energy Signature or Nature by which a Being may be identified or known!
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Well.... the reason you believe the Soul is eternal is because you dont believe the bible. Bible says from start to finnish the soul dies. Men say hogwash the soul enternal and either continues in heavean or hell fire once the body dies. See my post as to why you dont believe the bible and believe fable doctrines of men Thread: Calling Out All You "EVERLASTING ETERNAL SOUL" Tards
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I believe in a trinity but not as Christians teach it!

Eg. Body, Soul and Spirit. This is where 'Body', in whatever form it may be, is the vessel that houses 'Soul'. 'Soul' is the Entity or Being that is Etheric and Eternal and 'Spirit' is the Energy Signature or Nature by which a Being may be identified or known!
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Well.... the reason you believe the Soul is eternal is because you dont believe the bible. Bible says from start to finnish the soul dies. Men say hogwash the soul enternal and either continues in heavean or hell fire once the body dies. See my post as to why you dont believe the bible and believe fable doctrines of men Thread: Calling Out All You "EVERLASTING ETERNAL SOUL" Tards
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are you a Catholic op ?
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Jesus is NOT "The Father".

Sources:

"You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” (John 5:30)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)

From the lips of his very mouth. Now for anyone that wants to argue about the "ONENESS" of God and claim the heretical pagan belief regarding "TRINITY" ... God is NOT a Trinity.

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“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4)

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (Mark 12:28-29)


There you have it. Clear as it gets. anything else anyone points out is pure LIES, mistranslation, and interpolation.


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