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Breaking!: Tony Stewart's case going to grand jury, charges will be filed 9/16/14 | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9147262  United States08/12/2014 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After a 1999 crash with Kenny Irwin at Martinsville Speedway in Virginia, Stewart got out of his car -- and threw his gloves at Irwin before reaching into Irwin’s car. Quoting: Boris the Cat Following a 2000 race at Watkins Glen, Stewart spewed expletives at Jeff Gordon. He was accused in 2002 of assaulting a fan, but no legal action was taken. He also punched a photographer after the 2002 Brickyard 400, drawing a $50,000 fine from his sponsor, Home Depot. Stewart tossed his helmet at Matt Kenseth’s car during a 2012 race at Bristol Motor Speedway in Tennessee. “I don’t give a crap. The hell with the helmet,” he said later. Stewart ran up to Joey Logano in 2013 and pushed him, before pit crews held the drivers back. Stewart was angry that Logano blocked him following a restart. "If he ever turns down across in front of me again, I don't care what lap it is, he won't make it through the other end of it,” Stewart said following the race. Stewart also shared words with Kurt Busch following a 2013 race at Richmond International Speedway after their cars collided. Stewart stormed off following the race, leaving without talking to the media. During a July 2013 race at Canandaigua Motorsports Park -- the same track where Saturday’s accident happened -- Stewart was involved in a crash that left Alysha Ruggles, 19, seriously injured. [link to abcnews.go.com] It doesn't matter how many angles they have. Video will not and cannot prove that Stewart ever saw Ward and video will not and cannot prove that Stewart had malicious intent against Ward. Case closed! Tony has a history of violence. Case open~ You just described in general detail 75% of NASCAR racers history... Jeff Gordon, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Dale Earnhardt.... they've all done similar things... it is called adrenalin and competitive nature. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9147262 United States08/12/2014 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | stewart by his own admission on talk shows used his car as a weapon to force cars into the wall this is acting in wanton disregard of human life , this is criminal agg assualt with a motor vehicle , he shouldn't have been racing he should have been in jail Quoting: buzz 61527405 ALMOST every single professional driver in NASCAR history has done something similar.. nothing new about this! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3046279 United States08/12/2014 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ryan Cawdor Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I read that Tony puts a go-pro camera in all his Sprint cars. Some people say they saw Tony's crew take out the camera right away, as well as immediately change tires. If it is proven that he had a camera on the car and it was removed and erased, that's obstruction of justice and that's a big deal. That alone is a felony and certainly is an indicator of guilt. His car is at the top of the track after the accident. I think this running to the trailer stuff is B.S. from the hatemongers yes it is confirmed a gopro from stewarts car is missing The gopro would only show what the camera captured, not what Stewart was looking at. Race car drivers are focused pretty much on their line going into the next turn, not something unexpected from the outside of the track. The camera would show TS's line during the next lap after the accident. If he took a high line on purpose then that's another story. He may have been checking for damage on that lap and not paying attention or even see Ward. Either way - watch the video. Ward had no business getting into race car traffic, that is the last thing drivers are expecting. If TS missed him, one of the other cars may have killed him. Um...when the flag guy waves around the yellow flag he also activates yellow lights, which "signal" to the drivers to slow down and be "Cautious". Thus not intently staring at their racing line as they normally would, ignoring all cars in front of them and next to them of course, because all they do is focus on their line going into a turn.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35388811  Netherlands08/12/2014 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The go pro camera would prove that the victim was easily visible while flipping-off TS and that TS reacted to that obscene gesture by pointing his car at the victim and accelerating. Otherwise, why would TS destroy the evidence? |
thisismyusername (OP) User ID: 61536978 United States08/12/2014 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The go pro camera would prove that the victim was easily visible while flipping-off TS and that TS reacted to that obscene gesture by pointing his car at the victim and accelerating. Otherwise, why would TS destroy the evidence? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35388811 Where is link for go pro? "He who strikes terror in others is himself continually in fear." - Claudius Claudianus. Aka. Tatanka |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23943453 United States08/12/2014 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | he will be indicted but will be found not guilty no criminal loss for tony , BUT, he will be sued in civil court and will pay out the bung hole. WATCH you heard it first here on WGLP your source for news. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61505423 I'm sure there will be a lawsuit and depending on circumstances perhaps a decent settlement. However if they push too far there is little denying contributaory negligence for walking on a poorly lit dirt track wearing black. Plus they can't prove what Tony's eyes saw. As long as Stewart does not admit anything he should be cleared. The missing camera (if true) and the quick change of the tire (several sources say) will be enough to handle it as a civil matter if anyone can prove they did that just because it is too suspicious and reeks of guilt of some kind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59023342 United States08/12/2014 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you people are pathetic. All you have to go by is one video that isn't even the proper angel to tell if Tony did anything wrong. But yet you have already declared him guilty of running Ward Jr. into the wall You have him guilty of murder. You have his crew members guilty of Assesary to murder. You have them guilty of changing a tire You have them guilty of removing the cam I mean, I'm sorry but I just did not see all that in the video. . |
| Raymantheheretic User ID: 60940200 United States08/12/2014 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only thing clear to me is Ward was blinded by rage and got himself killed. The tragedy and irony of it is there was no just cause for the anger that compelled Ward to storm into traffic on foot in the first place. All Tony did to cause Ward to wreck on the previous lap was to maintain his established drive line through the curve. In fact I think Tony held the car online parallel to it longer than would normally be optimal in an effort to be sure not fishtail into the path of Ward's car. I'm no Tony Stewart fan, I just call them as I see them. And I'm not a racing expert either so are there any hardcore race fans reading this that agree with my observations of Tony's role in the crash that sent Ward's car into the wall? Just curious. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2457975 United States08/12/2014 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a lot of sports purposefully spice up their events with bravado to make it more interesting. So they stage or encourage theatrics to give the spectators more stimulus and excitement. I don't know what's so interesting about driving around in circles real fast. Some sports are just getting old and uninteresting. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57933389 United States08/12/2014 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only thing clear to me is Ward was blinded by rage and got himself killed. The tragedy and irony of it is there was no just cause for the anger that compelled Ward to storm into traffic on foot in the first place. Quoting: Raymantheheretic All Tony did to cause Ward to wreck on the previous lap was to maintain his established drive line through the curve. In fact I think Tony held the car online parallel to it longer than would normally be optimal in an effort to be sure not fishtail into the path of Ward's car. I'm no Tony Stewart fan, I just call them as I see them. And I'm not a racing expert either so are there any hardcore race fans reading this that agree with my observations of Tony's role in the crash that sent Ward's car into the wall? Just curious.  |
| Raymantheheretic User ID: 60940200 United States08/12/2014 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a lot of sports purposefully spice up their events with bravado to make it more interesting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2457975 So they stage or encourage theatrics to give the spectators more stimulus and excitement. I don't know what's so interesting about driving around in circles real fast. Some sports are just getting old and uninteresting. "I don't know what's so interesting about driving around in circles real fast" Honestly I used to feel the exact same way until I got into video game racing and realized the tremendous amount of skill, stamina, nerves of steel, and coordination it would take just to be able to race well, let alone winning with any consistency. The theatrics are a natural consequence of an intense sport where life often hangs in the balance. No need to stage a thing. |
| G. House User ID: 61526289 Netherlands08/12/2014 07:11 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you people are pathetic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59023342 All you have to go by is one video that isn't even the proper angel to tell if Tony did anything wrong. But yet you have already declared him guilty of running Ward Jr. into the wall You have him guilty of murder. You have his crew members guilty of Assesary to murder. You have them guilty of changing a tire You have them guilty of removing the cam I mean, I'm sorry but I just did not see all that in the video. . That's what GLPer's do on just about any subject, theory, etc. Haven't you been paying attention. And anybody that doesn't agree with their wacked out delusions is called a shill or worse as these people are VERY angry. They are probably jealous of Tony because they can only unleash their aggression on forums such as this while posting from the safety of mom's basement. Waiting to be called upstairs for mac and cheese. "Everybody lies." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 61556729 United States08/12/2014 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only thing clear to me is Ward was blinded by rage and got himself killed. The tragedy and irony of it is there was no just cause for the anger that compelled Ward to storm into traffic on foot in the first place. Quoting: Raymantheheretic All Tony did to cause Ward to wreck on the previous lap was to maintain his established drive line through the curve. In fact I think Tony held the car online parallel to it longer than would normally be optimal in an effort to be sure not fishtail into the path of Ward's car. I'm no Tony Stewart fan, I just call them as I see them. And I'm not a racing expert either so are there any hardcore race fans reading this that agree with my observations of Tony's role in the crash that sent Ward's car into the wall? Just curious. I don't have a dog in this fight. And I agree with you. That's the way I saw it. TS maintained his line just like the other drivers were doing. The kid tried to muscle in between several cars tracks and the top rail. Stupid. There wasn't room for his car to muscle in. He caused his own wreck. I've seen drivers try to muscle in at many races, and most of them are smart enough to back off when they see there is no way through. The kid kept on trying to plow through. He cause the wreck. And he caused his own death. It's that simple. |
| G. House User ID: 61526289 Netherlands08/12/2014 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regarding all that talk about changing the tire? It's very possible you can't fit the car on the trailer with the race tire setup. And being that the racetrack is pretty small I can't see making a tire and wheel disappear into thin air. "Everybody lies." |
| G. House User ID: 61526289 Netherlands08/12/2014 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only thing clear to me is Ward was blinded by rage and got himself killed. The tragedy and irony of it is there was no just cause for the anger that compelled Ward to storm into traffic on foot in the first place. Quoting: Raymantheheretic All Tony did to cause Ward to wreck on the previous lap was to maintain his established drive line through the curve. In fact I think Tony held the car online parallel to it longer than would normally be optimal in an effort to be sure not fishtail into the path of Ward's car. I'm no Tony Stewart fan, I just call them as I see them. And I'm not a racing expert either so are there any hardcore race fans reading this that agree with my observations of Tony's role in the crash that sent Ward's car into the wall? Just curious. I don't have a dog in this fight. And I agree with you. That's the way I saw it. TS maintained his line just like the other drivers were doing. The kid tried to muscle in between several cars tracks and the top rail. Stupid. There wasn't room for his car to muscle in. He caused his own wreck. I've seen drivers try to muscle in at many races, and most of them are smart enough to back off when they see there is no way through. The kid kept on trying to plow through. He cause the wreck. And he caused his own death. It's that simple. Exactly, Tony got ahead of him and took his line away. That's standard racing tactics. "Everybody lies." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60657089  France08/12/2014 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you people are pathetic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59023342 All you have to go by is one video that isn't even the proper angel to tell if Tony did anything wrong. But yet you have already declared him guilty of running Ward Jr. into the wall You have him guilty of murder. You have his crew members guilty of Assesary to murder. You have them guilty of changing a tire You have them guilty of removing the cam I mean, I'm sorry but I just did not see all that in the video. . I'm willing to bet that you've been watching the edited video without sound and are basing your assumptions on less information that the rest. |
| G. House User ID: 61526289 Netherlands08/12/2014 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NICE FIND : ) A video taken by a fan shows a "shunt" occurred, with Mr. Stewart's and Mr. Ward's cars tangling and Mr. Ward's car hitting the wall. Mr. Ward then got out of his vehicle and was standing in the middle of the track shaking his fist as Mr. Stewart came around Canandaigua's one-half-mile oval. Mr. Stewart's car then appears in the video striking Mr. Ward. Mr. Povero said a toxicology analysis on Mr. Stewart, a three-time Nascar Sprint Cup champion, would be "part of the investigation." (from the above article.) I'd like to point out an inaccuracy in that video. The narrator stated that in the 2013 season Tony caused a pileup when he broke his leg? That is not true. Tony was in the clear by himself on a corner and clipped a huge tire on the inside of a corner. It was one of those huge construction machine tires used as an infield barrier. He impacted extremely hard on that tire and then flipped end over end. "Everybody lies." |
| G. House User ID: 61526289 Netherlands08/12/2014 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you people are pathetic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59023342 All you have to go by is one video that isn't even the proper angel to tell if Tony did anything wrong. But yet you have already declared him guilty of running Ward Jr. into the wall You have him guilty of murder. You have his crew members guilty of Assesary to murder. You have them guilty of changing a tire You have them guilty of removing the cam I mean, I'm sorry but I just did not see all that in the video. . I'm willing to bet that you've been watching the edited video without sound and are basing your assumptions on less information that the rest. Are you from France? Don't you guys hold the record for the most spectators killed in a single race? Didn't stop the race either, talk about callous. 83 killed, plus the driver and 120 injured. Last Edited by G. House on 08/12/2014 07:34 PM "Everybody lies." |
| Drumsalot User ID: 55023761 United States08/12/2014 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am no fan of Tony Stewart but I am already tired of hearing how this fatal incident last Saturday night is some how supposed to be intentional on Stewarts part. The only intentional incident after the wreck is Ward charging in front of Stewarts line on the track. The boy would be alive if he was smart enough not to walk into the line of race traffic. Ward is at fault ....case closed |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60657089 France08/12/2014 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of you people are pathetic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59023342 All you have to go by is one video that isn't even the proper angel to tell if Tony did anything wrong. But yet you have already declared him guilty of running Ward Jr. into the wall You have him guilty of murder. You have his crew members guilty of Assesary to murder. You have them guilty of changing a tire You have them guilty of removing the cam I mean, I'm sorry but I just did not see all that in the video. . I'm willing to bet that you've been watching the edited video without sound and are basing your assumptions on less information that the rest. Are you from France? Don't you guys hold the record for the most spectators killed in a single race? Something like that. :maddriver: |
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| thisismyusername (OP) User ID: 54563010 United States08/12/2014 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel ya, Idk so many things could have been different.... including someone still living today . Stay in the car Slow down Red flag Lighting Etc..... But ya local news here in canandaigua just said the sheriff said investigation can take two weeks or more. So we will see.. Canandaigua law enforcement is pretty strict, but usually are pretty honest people.... it's a small town (city) they call it now... but really everyone pretty much knows someone who knows them who knows them... and so on Last Edited by Thisismyusername on 08/12/2014 11:17 PM "He who strikes terror in others is himself continually in fear." - Claudius Claudianus. Aka. Tatanka |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52540459 United States08/13/2014 12:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will be the end of nascar, because the lawsuit is going to make the insurance companies take a long hard look at the sport. Its not that profitable anymore, like football. [link to www.forbes.com] |
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