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Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?

 
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Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
We know the kid was hit and killed. But i was wondering if this thought makes sense...

He got out in a dimly lit track wearing black. He was a dumbshit. This is known.

But, how fast were the cars going after the accident? It says that Ward was sucked into the wheel and thrown in the air.


[link to www.nbcnews.com]

To me if the cars slowed down due to accident, and that tony may have buzzed him, to generate the suction to suck in his body and throw him 50 ft means to me that he had to have gotten close and accelerated quickly to spit dirt and he killed him. Not intentional but hes guilty. Its the only way for a body to be sucked up and tossed that far. To me if they were doing 30/40 mph i dont think it could have done that.

Thoughts?
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
Nobody can answer this question as nobody can tell the exact speed he was going from the video.

All anyone can tell you is that it appears he was travelling at higher rate of speed than he should have.

They will also tell you it appears as if he accelerated because his rear slides to the right as would happen if he accelerated quickly in that type of car.

Maybe your question will be answered in 2 weeks by police investigators.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
We know the kid was hit and killed. But i was wondering if this thought makes sense...

He got out in a dimly lit track wearing black. He was a dumbshit. This is known.

But, how fast were the cars going after the accident? It says that Ward was sucked into the wheel and thrown in the air.


[link to www.nbcnews.com]

To me if the cars slowed down due to accident, and that tony may have buzzed him, to generate the suction to suck in his body and throw him 50 ft means to me that he had to have gotten close and accelerated quickly to spit dirt and he killed him. Not intentional but hes guilty. Its the only way for a body to be sucked up and tossed that far. To me if they were doing 30/40 mph i dont think it could have done that.

Thoughts?
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TS accelerated into the victim. Watch the video with sound.
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The kid was not a dumbshit, but Tony Stewart is a dumbshit. iamwith
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
No its impossible at that speed to be " sucked" into the tire .


Fact; tonys car slid sideways and his right rear tire hit the kid and the spinning rotation of the tire , flung him into the ground or guardrail.


The rear end lurched to the right , the tire caught the kids clothing or body the tire , rotating clockwise, virtually spit him out the back . at an enormous speed, The fact that tony accelerated into the controlled skid striking the kid , most likely is why he is dead , if tony had just ran over him the kid would surely be alive .


It was the acceleration , the " torque " of the car, tire created the " violent " action .


If tony had simply rolled over him he would be ok, in most circumstances...


If you are unfortunate to hit someone NEVER skid over the body, EVER , by vilolently applying the brakes !

Not many things can suck a body into its path , it would have to be like a freight train , at a high rate of speed.

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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
No way in hell was he SUCKED into the side of that car ,or its tire , its against the laws of physics , no way no how !


Again it was the violence , of the ACCELERATION of the rotation of the TIRE , catching the guy and THROWING him out the rear and to the side .


Oh ive been no more than a few feet in some instances a foot away from a car or cars traveling in excess of 65 mph and thiers no suction only the pants get " rumpled" and the hat goes away from the car ... lost many a hat !


Spent many yrs working highway construction , many years I drove professionally no accidents , Michigan truck rodeo champ . 99 it was . raced all types cars, motorcycles.

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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
The kid was not a dumbshit,
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gotta disagree on that comment.
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I think there is more going on behind the scenes than what we know! I heard about people describing things in the pits after it happened, and I haven't heard much about these events that happened afterward since then.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
The kid was not a dumbshit,
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gotta disagree on that comment.
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Grab an IQ. This kid's actions of walking out on the track does not exonerate Tony dumbshit Stewart's criminal actions in any way.

If Tony Stewart didn't react criminally to Kevin Ward's actions, Kevin Ward would not be dead. It wouldn't matter if the kid walked out onto the track or not.

Do you and countless others not comprehend this?

Just because you may think "the kid is dumb", like a complete asshole BTW, does not give Tony Stewart the right to run him over.

And I bet if that was a different driver that Kevin Ward walked out onto the track to confront, he would still be alive.

THINK dammit. thwak
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
Im thinkin stewart tried to throw dirt on the kid as a " take that" kind of stunt . who knows only him , and the gulit if he did that will eat him alive !


Maybe.... I can see NO reasonable reason for stewart to have intentionally thrown his car into a controlled slide under a caution . Especially when the disabled car was in front of him against the wall . If he wanted to " clean" his tires by throwing the mud or dirt off he should've waited closer the lifting of the caution ... in the LEAST it was reckless driving .............


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Everybody's a fucking expert now.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
Tony could of dodged him in my opinion. Instead if you watch the video , you'll note the wheels turn into him after the hit.

Like a momentarily premeditated anger thought.

Stewart should never be allowed to race again and manslaughter charges are in order.
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would he have slowed down for an emergency crew?

Please answer.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
Im thinkin stewart tried to throw dirt on the kid as a " take that" kind of stunt . who knows only him , and the gulit if he did that will eat him alive !


Maybe.... I can see NO reasonable reason for stewart to have intentionally thrown his car into a controlled slide under a caution . Especially when the disabled car was in front of him against the wall . If he wanted to " clean" his tires by throwing the mud or dirt off he should've waited closer the lifting of the caution ... in the LEAST it was reckless driving .............


JMO
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In the least it is MANSLAUGHTER.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
I would charge him with second degree manslaughter and if found guilty, I would ban him from racing for life. The family could file a civil suit against him and make him pay millions, to me the way he accelerated and fish tailed into the kid was intentional.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
there was no sucking.
stewart hit the gas on his car
to throw the rear out to the right
towards the kid, thinking to give
the kid a close brushby.
Too much, too close the kid was struck
by the hot sticky tire, caught between
it and the body side panel.
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The kid was not a dumbshit, but Tony Stewart is a dumbshit. iamwith
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Stewart is a historic and documented dumbshit.
The kid was a dumbshit.
MOST of the people who race dirt tracks and stockcars
are dumbshits.

But its not criminal.
Stewart has only to fear the bad publicity and the
huge civil suit he surely faces.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
It was a yellow flag and TS swerved into Ward. You can him gun it at the point of contact.
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His foot slipped from too much Armor All think he lost their sponsorship
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
They let all that stupid douchebag behavior get out of hand for years. 30 years ago Richard Petty was not walking on the track throwing his helmet at Buddy Baker.

They should have been fining these assholes for that kind of shit all along, all the pit brawls and all that bullshit. Big fines, 100 grand a piece. But NASCAR made lots of money off all that WWF style crap. That's what the mouth breathers come to see, fireworks shows and these asshole drivers parading around on stage before the race and staging that kind of stupid crap that got Ward killed. And now we have finally reached the bottom of it, some stupid idiot killing another stupid idiot.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
I think there is more going on behind the scenes than what we know! I heard about people describing things in the pits after it happened, and I haven't heard much about these events that happened afterward since then.
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do tell.....
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
Just my opinion Ward should had backed off and let Tony finish the pass why because Tony's RF wheel was equal to Ward's LF wheel.

Know one should leave their wreck car and walk into the racing surface from the outside wall area. Only time is when the push car or tow truck got to the car.

A real driver if he got out of the car would take a survey of the damage or walk up to the wall away from possible traffic. You never walk on the track during a YELLOW!

“There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.” So goes the saying with which most of us were taught to fly. It was with this thought in mind that a handful of pilots of yore decided to meet to commemorate having beaten the odds themselves. What better name for such a group than “Old Bold Pilots”?

Speed should be about 40 mph, maybe Tony saw Ward at the last second gassed the motor to turn sharp left to try to miss him.

There is a petition going around
Stay In, Stay Safe - The Kevin Ward Jr. Rule

On 8/9/14 Kevin Ward Jr. was tragically and accidentally killed in an on-track incident by famed dirt and Nascar driver Tony Stewart.

[link to www.gopetition.com]

I been around sprint cars sense 1977 prefer enjoy the USAC non wing cars over the winged cars. The wings make more squirrels. Which happened last weekend. Takes more balls to drive a non wing sprinter.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
No its impossible at that speed to be " sucked" into the tire .


Fact; tonys car slid sideways and his right rear tire hit the kid and the spinning rotation of the tire , flung him into the ground or guardrail.


The rear end lurched to the right , the tire caught the kids clothing or body the tire , rotating clockwise, virtually spit him out the back . at an enormous speed, The fact that tony accelerated into the controlled skid striking the kid , most likely is why he is dead , if tony had just ran over him the kid would surely be alive .


It was the acceleration , the " torque " of the car, tire created the " violent " action .


If tony had simply rolled over him he would be ok, in most circumstances...


If you are unfortunate to hit someone NEVER skid over the body, EVER , by vilolently applying the brakes !

Not many things can suck a body into its path , it would have to be like a freight train , at a high rate of speed.
 Quoting: Whiterabbit R.O.


Ward was not hit by the TS car. To be hit, he would have had to be in front of the car. He was not.
The kid ran up to the right side of the car. That's how he sucked into the wheel. He got too close, maybe intending to hit or kick the car.
When the kid's foot or pants got caught in the wheel, that caused the car to turn on it's own. TS had to straighten it up.

TS was not accelerating. The sounds heard were cars on the other side of the track close to the video cam. The cars were going at about 70 mph.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
No its impossible at that speed to be " sucked" into the tire .


Fact; tonys car slid sideways and his right rear tire hit the kid and the spinning rotation of the tire , flung him into the ground or guardrail.


The rear end lurched to the right , the tire caught the kids clothing or body the tire , rotating clockwise, virtually spit him out the back . at an enormous speed, The fact that tony accelerated into the controlled skid striking the kid , most likely is why he is dead , if tony had just ran over him the kid would surely be alive .


It was the acceleration , the " torque " of the car, tire created the " violent " action .


If tony had simply rolled over him he would be ok, in most circumstances...


If you are unfortunate to hit someone NEVER skid over the body, EVER , by vilolently applying the brakes !

Not many things can suck a body into its path , it would have to be like a freight train , at a high rate of speed.
 Quoting: Whiterabbit R.O.


Whenever I run someone over I always lock up the wheels and skid over their body and so far not one has died.
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Re: Can anyone help me with this tony stewart question?
Looks like Ward jumped into Tony's car and the top wing broke in Wards hand, then he fell into the tire area. The top right wing side panel looks broken.






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