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Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/16/2014 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/16/2014 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is simply because it hasn't spread widely enough in Africa YET. The more infected in Africa, the more likely an infected gets out. The likelihood increases exponentially along with the infected. “Epidemiological modelling based on the data from previous Ebola Virus outbreaks has produced a basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.7 with a 95% confidence range of 1.9–4.1 (Legrand et al., 2007). This R0 is comparable with that of influenza (Mills et al., 2004) and would seem to be comfortably within the range required to generate an Ebola Virus pandemic. In answer to the question of why this has not already occurred in human history, perhaps the most persuasive response is that EVD very fortunately only emerged into human populations around the time of its discovery in the mid-1970s (Walshet al., 2005), by which time we were fairly well equipped to deal with it in remote low-population-density settings. Whether we can contain it within a large city, should the necessity to do so arise, remains to be seen.” [link to vir.sgmjournals.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60426196 United Kingdom 08/16/2014 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is simply because it hasn't spread widely enough in Africa YET. The more infected in Africa, the more likely an infected gets out. The likelihood increases exponentially along with the infected. Quoting: Medic 25033107 “Epidemiological modelling based on the data from previous Ebola Virus outbreaks has produced a basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.7 with a 95% confidence range of 1.9–4.1 (Legrand et al., 2007). This R0 is comparable with that of influenza (Mills et al., 2004) and would seem to be comfortably within the range required to generate an Ebola Virus pandemic. In answer to the question of why this has not already occurred in human history, perhaps the most persuasive response is that EVD very fortunately only emerged into human populations around the time of its discovery in the mid-1970s (Walshet al., 2005), by which time we were fairly well equipped to deal with it in remote low-population-density settings. Whether we can contain it within a large city, should the necessity to do so arise, remains to be seen.” [link to vir.sgmjournals.org] This whole thing supposedly started with just one two year old child. If just one Ebola infected person stays in each of the main cities of the world at any time before this outbreak burns out, it could become a worldwide pandemic. As long as the airplane flights out of West Africa don't stop, the rest of the world will constantly be in danger until the current outbreak ends. |
Anu, father of Enki User ID: 57058081 United States 08/16/2014 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is not feasible or reasonable to expect hospitals to supply all workers with $3k to $7k bio-suits. Both WHO and the CDC have said chances for infection are low and only minimal protection is needed. Who here is currently sporting level 4 bio gear daily? You set foot outside like that and you will find yourself detained and needing to answer many questions. So when do you gear up? Obviously, after you can confirm that someone near to you is infected? Well, by GLP logic you would already have been exposed, therefore you would already be infected. It's a bit of a pickle isn't it. Look like a nut but be fully protected, or take your chances by dressing normal. People stop panicking. Ebola is nothing to be worried about in the western world. Wash your hands, practice responsible hygiene and go about your business. And one last thing, for the love of all goodness... Last Edited by Anu, father of Enki on 08/16/2014 04:57 PM I ordered the destruction of mankind, why are you still here? |
SN7 User ID: 51691602 United States 08/16/2014 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuck this I'm out... New Dougiestan here I come... Who's with me? Dougie Doug ain't haven no fuckin ebola, illegals, military police, corrupt government, etc in Dougiestan "The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish." ~ Terence McKenna |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60426196 United Kingdom 08/16/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me explain something. If the situation given by many here were true, no measure would be adequate protection. Even being near a hospital could put one at a much higher risk for exposure. Quoting: Anu, father of Enki It is not feasible or reasonable to expect hospitals to supply all workers with $3k to $7k bio-suits. Both WHO and the CDC have said chances for infection are low and only minimal protection is needed. Who here is currently sporting level 4 bio gear daily? You set foot outside like that and you will find yourself detained and needing to answer many questions. So when do you gear up? Obviously, after you can confirm that someone near to you is infected? Well, by GLP logic you would already have been exposed, therefore you would already be infected. It's a bit of a pickle isn't it. Look like a nut but be fully protected, or take your chances by dressing normal. People stop panicking. Ebola is nothing to be worried about in the western world. Wash your hands, practice responsible hygiene and go about your business. And one last thing, for the love of all goodness... Please refer to GLP's disclaimer. We do not discriminate against the mentally ill! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19965395 United States 08/16/2014 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me explain something. If the situation given by many here were true, no measure would be adequate protection. Even being near a hospital could put one at a much higher risk for exposure. Quoting: Anu, father of Enki It is not feasible or reasonable to expect hospitals to supply all workers with $3k to $7k bio-suits. Both WHO and the CDC have said chances for infection are low and only minimal protection is needed. Who here is currently sporting level 4 bio gear daily? You set foot outside like that and you will find yourself detained and needing to answer many questions. So when do you gear up? Obviously, after you can confirm that someone near to you is infected? Well, by GLP logic you would already have been exposed, therefore you would already be infected. It's a bit of a pickle isn't it. Look like a nut but be fully protected, or take your chances by dressing normal. People stop panicking. Ebola is nothing to be worried about in the western world. Wash your hands, practice responsible hygiene and go about your business. And one last thing, for the love of all goodness... I work in a hospital and I am telling you right now I will quit my job if I were ever asked to go near an ebola patient. I like how you ignore its health care workers getting the most fucked over there and they are in fucking space suits. Dont be a shill. The government just does not want people to panic first and foremost. |
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Anu, father of Enki User ID: 57058081 United States 08/16/2014 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me explain something. If the situation given by many here were true, no measure would be adequate protection. Even being near a hospital could put one at a much higher risk for exposure. Quoting: Anu, father of Enki It is not feasible or reasonable to expect hospitals to supply all workers with $3k to $7k bio-suits. Both WHO and the CDC have said chances for infection are low and only minimal protection is needed. Who here is currently sporting level 4 bio gear daily? You set foot outside like that and you will find yourself detained and needing to answer many questions. So when do you gear up? Obviously, after you can confirm that someone near to you is infected? Well, by GLP logic you would already have been exposed, therefore you would already be infected. It's a bit of a pickle isn't it. Look like a nut but be fully protected, or take your chances by dressing normal. People stop panicking. Ebola is nothing to be worried about in the western world. Wash your hands, practice responsible hygiene and go about your business. And one last thing, for the love of all goodness... I work in a hospital and I am telling you right now I will quit my job if I were ever asked to go near an ebola patient. I like how you ignore its health care workers getting the most fucked over there and they are in fucking space suits. Dont be a shill. The government just does not want people to panic first and foremost. When making the decision to become a healthcare worker I am certain you were aware of the potential for exposure to various infections. It is an occupational hazard of the profession. To complain about possible exposure is akin to a fireman who would quit because of fear of being burned, or falling from a ladder. To the point... This is the risk you signed up for. I ordered the destruction of mankind, why are you still here? |
Bambi2U User ID: 5801811 United States 08/16/2014 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hah, where've you been? Sweat is infectious. Sputum (bloody) is infectious. People touch there face 3000 times a day. The virus can get in through the lips, mouth, eyelids, and conjunctiva. It'd be a BSL 3 virus if it was so hard to catch. Then I would recommend not licking the patients, other than that minimal protection should suffice. You GLPers are a suspicious bunch. Now trust me on this... "We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ." "The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying" |
Bambi2U User ID: 5801811 United States 08/16/2014 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can all post links... Quoting: Anu, father of Enki Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures). [link to www.who.int] Now really... So how do you figure you can't catch it from casual contact then? How do you define casual contact? Are you familiar with fomite transmission? You are aware that average person touches their face 3-5 times per minute? It is believed that a single particle of the virus is enough to cause infection. It can exist outside the body for days, dried infected material can be infectious in a clinical setting. Spit on door handles, sweat on sheets, shaking hands, being to close... Outside of a clinical setting without full PPE, it can certainly be caught by casual contact, no licking required. We're probably fools for taking someone role-playing as "Anu, father of Enki" seriously but it is good to have people play devil's advocate. The only problem is...a lot of these people aren't playing devil's advocate, they're actually devils. This^^^^^ "We are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly, gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Jesus Christ." "The Saints are Sinners that keep on trying" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27430734 United States 08/16/2014 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The minute I hear we have an Ebola patient in-house, I'm a gone muthahumpa. Quoting: DeadManWalkin' Straight to the parking lot, leaving my mask, gown, gloves, & shoe covers laying in the dirt. :fuckit: Our hospital has had no communications about this, has your hospital? Sure, infection control and ourselves have talked about the 'what if', but no definite communications. Lab reportables already handle the HL7 straight to state/fed. The minute I hear we have an Ebola patient in-house, I'm a gone muthahumpa. Quoting: DeadManWalkin' Straight to the parking lot, leaving my mask, gown, gloves, & shoe covers laying in the dirt. :fuckit: Our hospital has had no communications about this, has your hospital? Sure, infection control and ourselves have talked about the 'what if', but no definite communications. Lab reportables already handle the HL7 straight to state/fed. My hospital has and mine say you have to use respirators along with your ppe and must turn all ventilation off and isolate patient. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32057893 United States 08/17/2014 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With you aHem. Recent CDC, as you may already know but didn't see it cited: 1 Casual contact is defined as a) being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) or within the room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., healthcare personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations); or b) having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD case while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations). At this time, brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute casual contact. * Outbreak affected countries include Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Lagos, Nigeria, as of 4-August-2014 |
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