Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 | |
davejp User ID: 61055984 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Can I draw your attention to Cam 1, Quoting: davejp I'm kind of hoping its cloud formation, but i'm not entirely sure Any thoughts? [link to www.livefromiceland.is] (lurker since day one) if the caldera itself was erupting you'd be in no doubt. over half of the horizon would be heading for the moon. that redness is interesting. s02 being illuminated by the sun off to the left of the image? There is a puff of cloud that keeps appearing that looks out of place, it then clears and another forms. Top centre of pic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Can I draw your attention to Cam 1, Quoting: davejp I'm kind of hoping its cloud formation, but i'm not entirely sure Any thoughts? [link to www.livefromiceland.is] (lurker since day one) if the caldera itself was erupting you'd be in no doubt. over half of the horizon would be heading for the moon. that redness is interesting. s02 being illuminated by the sun off to the left of the image? There is a puff of cloud that keeps appearing that looks out of place, it then clears and another forms. Top centre of pic. that's the heat of the lava below, boiling water off, forming a cloud, and it just repeats over and over. can be quite hypnotic to watch. there's a word for those clouds but cant think of it now |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63029398 those sharp 'up' always get flattened out into a general downward curve though, looking back. Yeh, if we don't see quakes in connection with the drops it is more likely compaction of the ice, whereas movement of the "cork" should be accompanied by a quake or more unless the whole thing has come loose and now bobs on top of the magma only being help in place by the weight of the water/ice column. If that were to be the case, we should expect to see water/magma contact shortly and then... i'm not so sure that's going to happen any more Gav. I think THEY believe this thing is just gonna keep on dropping, and keep on pumping ever increasing amounts of magma out, to form a large new shield volcano, over the next few moths/years. here's a gif i did earlier, using their image,.. [link to makeagif.com] where the glacier is at it's highest is where we are now, at it's lowest is where they expect it to end up. as you can see, the caldera is hardly pushing in at all, yet all this stuff has been erupted. the deeper it pushes in, the more stuff gets pumped out, with greater force imho i can't see the magma coming up through the caldera because it HAS an outlet already, through the dyke, unless the pressure becomes TOO much and it can't keep up with the pumping action of the caldera above, then it might try to find a way UP, or if the caldera fails in a major way What I basically mean is that the cork is going to melt thinner by the day even as you have the process you describe above, and the longer it keeps going at it the bigger the chances of water / magma contact. EDIT: I don't feel the many shallow quakes in the Barda caldera is consistent with a very thick cork. – a few hundred meters maximum. well, in THAT case, if you're right, we're in big trouble, because that graphic would indicate over a KM of the plug has already melted, wouldn't it? I don't think they'd say the plug was 2 km thick if it wasn't, originally. if what you say is true, when the rest of the floor melts, the ice meets the magma, and it's goodnight. given the extremely high temps of the magma, maybe you're right. [link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu] ApproximateTemperature (°C) Minerals which are molten 1200 All molten 1000 Olivine, pyroxene, Ca-rich plagioclase 800 Amphibole, Ca/Na- plagioclase 600 Quartz, K-feldspar, Na-plagioclase, micas. have those shallow quakes been the caldera plug slowly melting, a bit like the pops and bubbles of a boiling pan of water? |
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davejp User ID: 61055984 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Can I draw your attention to Cam 1, Quoting: davejp I'm kind of hoping its cloud formation, but i'm not entirely sure Any thoughts? [link to www.livefromiceland.is] (lurker since day one) if the caldera itself was erupting you'd be in no doubt. over half of the horizon would be heading for the moon. that redness is interesting. s02 being illuminated by the sun off to the left of the image? There is a puff of cloud that keeps appearing that looks out of place, it then clears and another forms. Top centre of pic. that's the heat of the lava below, boiling water off, forming a cloud, and it just repeats over and over. can be quite hypnotic to watch. there's a word for those clouds but cant think of it now Ooh, ok thanks! Didn't realise that happens! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56113366 Norway 09/21/2014 05:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 is there any literature on how fast a magma chamber can melt the rock of an intruding caldera roof? that is a lot of rock to melt. if we can work out if that rock is being melted, and at what rate, maybe we can make some guesses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63029398 i know they're saying the temps of the magma are very high, up to 1200 degrees, perhaps you're right. perhaps the magma chamber will take charge. I am sure there are equations that could give an estimated melt through rate, but I don't have any at hand. Perhaps we can make a couple of assumptions: 1. The material in the "cork" is an old magma intrusion and therefore most likely has the same composition and melting point as the current molten magma. 2. Since magma seems to be flowing from the area of the caldera to the open fissure, there is a constant transportation of energy across the lower section of the "cork" meaning the cork itself is never allowed to cool at the bottom increasing the chances of a melt through at some point. I think I also saw a comment from the geologist that the eruption is drawing on deep mantle magma, so there is no energy exhaustion issue – it has all the heat it needs to draw on. 3. The "cork" being an old intrusion creates a fracture zone along its perimeter that could allow new magma to easier open a conduit to the surface. The same fracture zone could also allow the entire cork to become unset because of the combined action of quakes, heat and the weight of the overlying water/ice column, effectively making it float on the magma. I recon it must be relatively thin for this to happen though. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 ... Quoting: Gavin Yeh, if we don't see quakes in connection with the drops it is more likely compaction of the ice, whereas movement of the "cork" should be accompanied by a quake or more unless the whole thing has come loose and now bobs on top of the magma only being help in place by the weight of the water/ice column. If that were to be the case, we should expect to see water/magma contact shortly and then... i'm not so sure that's going to happen any more Gav. I think THEY believe this thing is just gonna keep on dropping, and keep on pumping ever increasing amounts of magma out, to form a large new shield volcano, over the next few moths/years. here's a gif i did earlier, using their image,.. [link to makeagif.com] where the glacier is at it's highest is where we are now, at it's lowest is where they expect it to end up. as you can see, the caldera is hardly pushing in at all, yet all this stuff has been erupted. the deeper it pushes in, the more stuff gets pumped out, with greater force imho i can't see the magma coming up through the caldera because it HAS an outlet already, through the dyke, unless the pressure becomes TOO much and it can't keep up with the pumping action of the caldera above, then it might try to find a way UP, or if the caldera fails in a major way What I basically mean is that the cork is going to melt thinner by the day even as you have the process you describe above, and the longer it keeps going at it the bigger the chances of water / magma contact. EDIT: I don't feel the many shallow quakes in the Barda caldera is consistent with a very thick cork. – a few hundred meters maximum. well, in THAT case, if you're right, we're in big trouble, because that graphic would indicate over a KM of the plug has already melted, wouldn't it? I don't think they'd say the plug was 2 km thick if it wasn't, originally. if what you say is true, when the rest of the floor melts, the ice meets the magma, and it's goodnight. given the extremely high temps of the magma, maybe you're right. [link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu] ApproximateTemperature (°C) Minerals which are molten 1200 All molten 1000 Olivine, pyroxene, Ca-rich plagioclase 800 Amphibole, Ca/Na- plagioclase 600 Quartz, K-feldspar, Na-plagioclase, micas. have those shallow quakes been the caldera plug slowly melting, a bit like the pops and bubbles of a boiling pan of water? the other thing of course, is IF that 2km thick plug is melting, the volume of the plug adds to the volume of melted rock already in the chamber, which is about 235 km3 2 x 80 km2 = 160 km3 + 235 km3 = about 400km3 how much of that would be ejected by a 800 metre glacier interacting with it? is it even POSSIBLE for that much rock to be melted anyway? i'm not too sure about this theory, but if it is happening, we're boned. any links of anyone else speculating about this? |
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Gugazine User ID: 63085459 Portugal 09/21/2014 05:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Let's party... Guga Iceland Eruptions by Cow: [link to weerstationlangerak.nl] Koevtsibird's FB: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] BVB's Giant Links List: [link to www.dropbox.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56113366 Norway 09/21/2014 05:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 well, in THAT case, if you're right, we're in big trouble, because that graphic would indicate over a KM of the plug has already melted, wouldn't it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63029398 I don't think they'd say the plug was 2 km thick if it wasn't, originally. if what you say is true, when the rest of the floor melts, the ice meets the magma, and it's goodnight. My interpretation of the shallower and shallower quakes in Barda is we have seen a gradual melty through, but right now it has reached some kind of equilibrium (more or less) where the heat transport to the top maybe is not optimal combined with the weight of the ice/water column from the top. So we will see a slower progress, however one that will result in a melt through as long as the fissure keeps drawing on the same magma pool and is active. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Large scale subsidence of the caldera occurs, causing an eruption at the edge of the caldera. Such an eruption would melt large quantities of ice, leading to a major jokulhlaup, accompanied by ashfall. that scenario? doesn't mention the caldera floor melting. maybe that comes under 'other scenarios can't be excluded' though? whichever way you look at this situation, it ISN'T good. I can't possibly see how we're going to get away without a huge disaster playing out here, whether in slow motion, or very suddenly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56113366 Norway 09/21/2014 05:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Large scale subsidence of the caldera occurs, causing an eruption at the edge of the caldera. Such an eruption would melt large quantities of ice, leading to a major jokulhlaup, accompanied by ashfall. that scenario? doesn't mention the caldera floor melting. maybe that comes under 'other scenarios can't be excluded' though? whichever way you look at this situation, it ISN'T good. I can't possibly see how we're going to get away without a huge disaster playing out here, whether in slow motion, or very suddenly. For the above to happen, there would necessarily have to be a melt through of some sort. We don't need the whole floor to go just a sufficient conduit to open to get the reaction started. |
Gugazine User ID: 63085459 Portugal 09/21/2014 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Large scale subsidence of the caldera occurs, causing an eruption at the edge of the caldera. Such an eruption would melt large quantities of ice, leading to a major jokulhlaup, accompanied by ashfall. that scenario? doesn't mention the caldera floor melting. maybe that comes under 'other scenarios can't be excluded' though? whichever way you look at this situation, it ISN'T good. I can't possibly see how we're going to get away without a huge disaster playing out here, whether in slow motion, or very suddenly. For the above to happen, there would necessarily have to be a melt through of some sort. We don't need the whole floor to go just a sufficient conduit to open to get the reaction started. agree Guga Iceland Eruptions by Cow: [link to weerstationlangerak.nl] Koevtsibird's FB: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] BVB's Giant Links List: [link to www.dropbox.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Large scale subsidence of the caldera occurs, causing an eruption at the edge of the caldera. Such an eruption would melt large quantities of ice, leading to a major jokulhlaup, accompanied by ashfall. that scenario? doesn't mention the caldera floor melting. maybe that comes under 'other scenarios can't be excluded' though? whichever way you look at this situation, it ISN'T good. I can't possibly see how we're going to get away without a huge disaster playing out here, whether in slow motion, or very suddenly. For the above to happen, there would necessarily have to be a melt through of some sort. We don't need the whole floor to go just a sufficient conduit to open to get the reaction started. agree gravity and physics. what a pair of bastards! |
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Gugazine User ID: 63085459 Portugal 09/21/2014 05:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Huge drop now [link to hraun.vedur.is] Guga Iceland Eruptions by Cow: [link to weerstationlangerak.nl] Koevtsibird's FB: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] BVB's Giant Links List: [link to www.dropbox.com (secure)] |
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Gugazine User ID: 63085459 Portugal 09/21/2014 05:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 And von...up up up [link to hraun.vedur.is] Guga Iceland Eruptions by Cow: [link to weerstationlangerak.nl] Koevtsibird's FB: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] BVB's Giant Links List: [link to www.dropbox.com (secure)] |
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Gugazine User ID: 63085459 Portugal 09/21/2014 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 maybe a high M4...or M5. Guga Iceland Eruptions by Cow: [link to weerstationlangerak.nl] Koevtsibird's FB: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] BVB's Giant Links List: [link to www.dropbox.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 the fact Iceland 'doesn't do' vei7s is irrelevant all the pieces are in place for a massive disaster, and we are told NOTHING by the authorities, who see to deem it fit to send a NASA helicopter to the scene, but hey ho, eh? |
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Gugazine User ID: 63085459 Portugal 09/21/2014 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 I think that we've a high M4...maybe a M4.7...M4.8 Guga Iceland Eruptions by Cow: [link to weerstationlangerak.nl] Koevtsibird's FB: [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] BVB's Giant Links List: [link to www.dropbox.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63029398 United Kingdom 09/21/2014 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Volcanic Iceland: Earthquake with magnitude M 5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain)!!!p1492 Quoting: Gugazine the type of jump the blue signal has made LOOKS like the type of jump made as an eruption starts. it may correct with the next update, but that's a sharp jump.when the blue signal goes ABOVE the green and red is what to look out for i think, if memory serves me right |