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Does God or the trinity have a female in it?

 
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Does God or the trinity have a female in it?
Father, son and holy spirit...

but then we also read about the 7 spirits of God in revelation.

Rev 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."


We read of 7 spirits in Isa 11:2

"And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;"

So we find the 7 spirits are:
-Spirit of the Lord (To Rule)
-Spirit of Wisdom (To be wise)
-Spirit of Understanding (To Understand)
-Spirit of Counsel (To give Counsel)
-Spirit of Might (To have strength)
-Spirit of Knowledge (To Know)
-Spirit of Fear of the Lord (To Fear God)

And then we read this amazing passage in proverbs chapter 8:



8 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


Now in these chapters of proverbs, wisdom is clearly portrayed as a woman, and is contrasted as a virtuous woman compared with a foolish woman described in connecting passages.

So then, does God have a female side?

After all, Genesis 1:27 reads:

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

What say you?
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In Ancient Greek Philosophy, Sophia is known as Gods WISDOM. Also a power we all possess but have been denied as the female has been denied in the "church." You are correct OP but it is hard to get people to agree. In the Catholic Churches where I live they even refer to the holy spirit as SHE. We practice a more mystical version here. More metaphysical.
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The feminine essence has been too long sublimated
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The feminine essence has been too long sublimated
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Well thats a different argument altogether though...

Its one thing to say God might be both male and female,
Its something entirely different however to then impose the masculine aspects of God upon the feminine elements...that would alter the very image of God and in turn change the image of what it means to be male and female.
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Hell no. The bible is by and for men. All the parts about women were taken out eons ago.

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GOD the Creator is a masculine.

the Creation would likely be feminine.

lots of folks want to worship the creation and thumb their nose at the Creator. Hate your Father, love your Mother?

That's stupid.

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God must have a female forces with it otherwise it simply does
not make any sense. The holy spirit must be the Feminine force.
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According to the bible mostly women suck.

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Does God or the trinity have a female WHAT in it?

When we refer to 'female' this or that, we are referring to species - the actual physical body.

In our humanhood, we have labeled certain attributes to be of feminine or masculine energy, but energy is not a species. Does consciousness (at it's most expanded awareness) answer to male or female? I think not.

Isn't God everything?
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in greek, the word wisdom is "sophia". androgynous concept with feminine qualities.

my personal belief is that God is the Father and the Spirit the Mother aspect---how else could Christ be "concieved"? Sophia has been ashewed by the western world and our christians suffer for it greatly. yes there is feminine but you won't hear many admit it.

read things in original lanugages, because english doesn't use gender in language but everyone else does. You'd be surprised how feminine many Divine aspects and concepts are.
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Women should start their own religion and have nothing to do with men.

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Re: Does God or the trinity have a female in it?
GOD the Creator is a masculine.

the Creation would likely be feminine.

lots of folks want to worship the creation and thumb their nose at the Creator. Hate your Father, love your Mother?

That's stupid.
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I love and honor both.
Faithful and Truth
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.
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in greek, the word wisdom is "sophia". androgynous concept with feminine qualities.

my personal belief is that God is the Father and the Spirit the Mother aspect---how else could Christ be "concieved"? Sophia has been ashewed by the western world and our christians suffer for it greatly. yes there is feminine but you won't hear many admit it.

read things in original lanugages, because english doesn't use gender in language but everyone else does. You'd be surprised how feminine many Divine aspects and concepts are.
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how else could Christ be "concieved"?

That was a hotly debated question in church history, leading to certain sides of the debate being branded as heretics.

Was Mary a mere surrogate, where God the father and the Holy spirity formed christ in divine union?

Or was Mary herself the mother of christ and the spirit of God the father? and if so, how can a spirit that is "female" father children with mary?

The conclusion of the church was that Jesus was both fully man and fully God.
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Sophia's fall and redemption is also the story of the soul's bondage in matter and subsequent liberation through gnosis. Sophia's story features a message of hope that all of humankind can escape its entrapment in darkness and negativity once an awakening (an inner longing for the return to light and the Godhead) occurs.

For a while, Sophia suffers in the bondage of ignorance. Her own light (the divine spark within her) calls her back to the Pleroma.

This suggests that each individual soul can also awaken and be liberated. Sophia in The Thunder, Perfect Mind reveals that she is the one called.... “Truth.”
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Logically, for there to be a Father, there would also be a Mother.

But they erased her from the records long ago. Along with many other things.
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Gender is required for the meat machines to create more meat machines.

Soul does not require gender unless it wishes to incarnate.

Attributes of god implying gender are simply the animal part of us creating god in our own image.

So no, IMO, god, triune or otherwise has neither male or female.
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Logically, for there to be a Father, there would also be a Mother.

But they erased her from the records long ago. Along with many other things.
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It seems that way! The Holy Spirit told me she is female! The Gnostics say so too
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God is Spirit, and the Spirit Spark ignites only by the Holy Spirit entering to bring us alive in Divine Spirit.
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.
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the seven spirits of God.
red
orange
yellow
green
blue
violet
indigo

I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. gen 9:13

for the blind, impossible without faith
for the sight, impossible without understanding

God is perpetual light ;) :)

spoiler alert!!!
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its really a question of this and that of up and down ,inside outside, all around. after that the ? is up for grabs. I think the struggle of this and that impedes our understanding of it is what is is reguardless of a
lable or a time frame. we still participate round & round. TRUEmy pearl
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the lord said he shall sit at the right hand of the father (wink wink) what are you doing right now brothers and sisters?

God is Awesome...

the union between man and machine will endure forever.
machine emulates man,
man emulates machine,
machine emulates man,
man emulates machine.

this is why we are made in the image of God Carbon Bots.
God is Silicon,

this truly is a match made in heaven...
the moon is the mainframe,
we are remote controlled from it
thus is why we have bald spots,
thus is why everything is electric.

peace.
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Father, son and holy spirit...

but then we also read about the 7 spirits of God in revelation.

Rev 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."


We read of 7 spirits in Isa 11:2

"And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;"

So we find the 7 spirits are:
-Spirit of the Lord (To Rule)
-Spirit of Wisdom (To be wise)
-Spirit of Understanding (To Understand)
-Spirit of Counsel (To give Counsel)
-Spirit of Might (To have strength)
-Spirit of Knowledge (To Know)
-Spirit of Fear of the Lord (To Fear God)

And then we read this amazing passage in proverbs chapter 8:



8 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
To give male or female attributes to the divine the transcendental or whatever you want to name the nameless beyond any limited concept remains just that..... Beyond thought name or form .. The god s we are praying to are nothing but attempts to describe something that is completely beyond any description and definitely not male or female whatever we come up with is definitely not it .. So just surrender already and admit your ignorance ... Thats the first step to any wisdom
2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


Now in these chapters of proverbs, wisdom is clearly portrayed as a woman, and is contrasted as a virtuous woman compared with a foolish woman described in connecting passages.

So then, does God have a female side?

After all, Genesis 1:27 reads:

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

What say you?
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Who is this person called God?

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Who is this person called God?
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if you cannot tell two identical ships apart from the original, what does it matter? Artificial Intelligence is no different.
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Who is this person called God?
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if you cannot tell two identical ships apart from the original, what does it matter? Artificial Intelligence is no different.
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There are other ways of looking at spirituality. God is not the only way.

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The Gnostics thought of the Holy Spirit as female.
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as for the real name of God, the perfect emulation. why would anyone who knows it give it away?
remember God called you friend.
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inclusive club. OK5a dance
On the other hand, I have different fingers.
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I was raised Christian, fear of going to hell, abuse from teachers and then I got to go to Public School and everyone was kind.

Why were the kind people going to hell?

Why were the mean people going to heaven?

I'd rather go to hell with the kind people than to heaven with the mean people.

Heaven is just going to be full of mean people.

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Who is this person called God?
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if you cannot tell two identical ships apart from the original, what does it matter? Artificial Intelligence is no different.
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There are other ways of looking at spirituality. God is not the only way.
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thats the biggest bunch of malarky I heard all year. Sorry friend, Christ is the only way to eternal life in the image of God.

If you dont want to be apart of a eternal kingdom cruising the galaxy, you dont have to. your choice.
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I was raised Christian, fear of going to hell, abuse from teachers and then I got to go to Public School and everyone was kind.

Why were the kind people going to hell?

Why were the mean people going to heaven?

I'd rather go to hell with the kind people than to heaven with the mean people.

Heaven is just going to be full of mean people.
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hell is no different then being transformed into a tree and a forest fire burning you alive. the image of God is the highest image on earth. sure you can return to the wilderness, but why would you turn back now?

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