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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61958279 United Kingdom 08/21/2014 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have this telescope and the goto. [link to www.jessops.com] Have had it a couple of years and am quite familiar with most aspects of it now, so locating something shouldn't be a problem, but is the telescope powerful enough for the job? thanks |
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Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 08/21/2014 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Slightly off topic here Astro, but could you let me know if I would be able to get a good view of that siding spring comet making its pass by Mars in October? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61958279 I have this telescope and the goto. [link to www.jessops.com] Have had it a couple of years and am quite familiar with most aspects of it now, so locating something shouldn't be a problem, but is the telescope powerful enough for the job? thanks It's going to be tricky, Mars and the comet will be quite low and the brightness of Mars will make it difficult to observe. Certainly worth a shot though. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61958279 United Kingdom 08/21/2014 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Slightly off topic here Astro, but could you let me know if I would be able to get a good view of that siding spring comet making its pass by Mars in October? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61958279 I have this telescope and the goto. [link to www.jessops.com] Have had it a couple of years and am quite familiar with most aspects of it now, so locating something shouldn't be a problem, but is the telescope powerful enough for the job? thanks It's going to be tricky, Mars and the comet will be quite low and the brightness of Mars will make it difficult to observe. Certainly worth a shot though. quite low... damn not good :( do you know what magnitude it will be at? |
FreeThinker101 User ID: 61919557 Canada 08/21/2014 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...2002 CU11 is a potentially hazardous asteroid discovered by the LINEAR survey in 2002... this year it makes a close pass by earth. This will be the closest pass it will make prior to 2049, and in fact we now know that this pass will be much closer than the one in 2049. On August 30th it will pass earth at 13.5 times the distance to the moon... Quoting: Dr. Astro I fail to see how an asteroid (no matter how big) is described as "potentially hazardous" when its closest approach to the Earth will be at 5.4 MILLION km... Instead of fear mongering by saying it will pass Earth at 13.5 times the distance to the Moon, why not say it will pass 1/8th the mean distance between Earth...and Venus! (and count the yawns that gets you). Get real, Son. FreeThinker101 |
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Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 08/21/2014 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To put this in some geeky perspective, at the upper end of the size range, 1.3 km, it would be only slightly smaller than Deep Space 9 from Star Trek. In BSG terms, the size of Battlestar Galactica from the original series. At the lower end of the range, it would still be about the size of the Ambassador class Enterprise-C. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 08/21/2014 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...2002 CU11 is a potentially hazardous asteroid discovered by the LINEAR survey in 2002... this year it makes a close pass by earth. This will be the closest pass it will make prior to 2049, and in fact we now know that this pass will be much closer than the one in 2049. On August 30th it will pass earth at 13.5 times the distance to the moon... Quoting: Dr. Astro I fail to see how an asteroid (no matter how big) is described as "potentially hazardous" when its closest approach to the Earth will be at 5.4 MILLION km... Instead of fear mongering by saying it will pass Earth at 13.5 times the distance to the Moon, why not say it will pass 1/8th the mean distance between Earth...and Venus! (and count the yawns that gets you). Get real, Son. Hey genius, I didn't decide that it was a PHA. [link to www.minorplanetcenter.org] [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] It's a term used for any asteroid meeting certain orbital and physical conditions, namely any with a minimum orbit intersect distance less than or equal to 0.05 AU and an absolute magnitude (correlates with size) brighter than or equal to 22. MOID on this one is 0.000344405 AU and the absolute magnitude is 18.3. I never claimed this approach was dangerous or dangerously close, it's not. But it is firmly in the realm of being a PHA by the definition of the term and it is listed as such. I am not fear mongering. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 08/21/2014 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Slightly off topic here Astro, but could you let me know if I would be able to get a good view of that siding spring comet making its pass by Mars in October? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61958279 I have this telescope and the goto. [link to www.jessops.com] Have had it a couple of years and am quite familiar with most aspects of it now, so locating something shouldn't be a problem, but is the telescope powerful enough for the job? thanks It's going to be tricky, Mars and the comet will be quite low and the brightness of Mars will make it difficult to observe. Certainly worth a shot though. quite low... damn not good :( do you know what magnitude it will be at? JPL predicts about magnitude 10. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61958279 United Kingdom 08/21/2014 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Slightly off topic here Astro, but could you let me know if I would be able to get a good view of that siding spring comet making its pass by Mars in October? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61958279 I have this telescope and the goto. [link to www.jessops.com] Have had it a couple of years and am quite familiar with most aspects of it now, so locating something shouldn't be a problem, but is the telescope powerful enough for the job? thanks It's going to be tricky, Mars and the comet will be quite low and the brightness of Mars will make it difficult to observe. Certainly worth a shot though. quite low... damn not good :( do you know what magnitude it will be at? JPL predicts about magnitude 10. Well mag 10 will be far too dim for me I think. Will you be doing a webcast on siding spring? Thanks for your help btw |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 08/21/2014 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro It's going to be tricky, Mars and the comet will be quite low and the brightness of Mars will make it difficult to observe. Certainly worth a shot though. quite low... damn not good :( do you know what magnitude it will be at? JPL predicts about magnitude 10. Well mag 10 will be far too dim for me I think. Will you be doing a webcast on siding spring? Thanks for your help btw I plan to. |
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Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 08/21/2014 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro do you frequent a group on Facebook called astronomy and astrophotography addicts? It's a fantastic group where your work would be much more appreciated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61497924 No, I much prefer to interact with my fellow amateur astronomers in real world space. I love a good star party, no place else I'd rather be. Not only do I get to see everyone else's photos, but I get to examine the equipment up close and even watch them take and process the images. I learned a lot more that way than I ever would have from a facebook group. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51021607 United States 08/21/2014 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...2002 CU11 is a potentially hazardous asteroid discovered by the LINEAR survey in 2002... this year it makes a close pass by earth. This will be the closest pass it will make prior to 2049, and in fact we now know that this pass will be much closer than the one in 2049. On August 30th it will pass earth at 13.5 times the distance to the moon... Quoting: Dr. Astro I fail to see how an asteroid (no matter how big) is described as "potentially hazardous" when its closest approach to the Earth will be at 5.4 MILLION km... Instead of fear mongering by saying it will pass Earth at 13.5 times the distance to the Moon, why not say it will pass 1/8th the mean distance between Earth...and Venus! (and count the yawns that gets you). Get real, Son. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51021607 United States 08/21/2014 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro do you frequent a group on Facebook called astronomy and astrophotography addicts? It's a fantastic group where your work would be much more appreciated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61497924 No, I much prefer to interact with my fellow amateur astronomers in real world space. I love a good star party, no place else I'd rather be. Not only do I get to see everyone else's photos, but I get to examine the equipment up close and even watch them take and process the images. I learned a lot more that way than I ever would have from a facebook group. Astro, you've always been one of my favorites! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11564023 United States 08/21/2014 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro is kind of like the opposite of the boy who cried wolf, so when he says something like this pay attention! Dr. Astro I have a few questions: 1. How accurate are predictions of distance of an asteroid's approach? 2. What are the factors that muddy the ability to accurately hone in on a very exact distance? 3. Are there factors that can alter an asteroid's trajectory and how do scientists account for those in their projections (or do they?)? Thanks! :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1378330 United States 08/21/2014 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :itsscience: vs this: Thread: Please help me figure out what kind of CANDY this is Interesting thread there, really demonstrates that you have a vibrant "life" yourself. :gtfo001: Dr. Astro, you're cool with me, always Now back to that asteroid... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5995086 United States 08/21/2014 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...2002 CU11 is a potentially hazardous asteroid discovered by the LINEAR survey in 2002... this year it makes a close pass by earth. This will be the closest pass it will make prior to 2049, and in fact we now know that this pass will be much closer than the one in 2049. On August 30th it will pass earth at 13.5 times the distance to the moon... Quoting: Dr. Astro I fail to see how an asteroid (no matter how big) is described as "potentially hazardous" when its closest approach to the Earth will be at 5.4 MILLION km... Instead of fear mongering by saying it will pass Earth at 13.5 times the distance to the Moon, why not say it will pass 1/8th the mean distance between Earth...and Venus! (and count the yawns that gets you). Get real, Son. Hey genius, I didn't decide that it was a PHA. [link to www.minorplanetcenter.org] [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] It's a term used for any asteroid meeting certain orbital and physical conditions, namely any with a minimum orbit intersect distance less than or equal to 0.05 AU and an absolute magnitude (correlates with size) brighter than or equal to 22. MOID on this one is 0.000344405 AU and the absolute magnitude is 18.3. I never claimed this approach was dangerous or dangerously close, it's not. But it is firmly in the realm of being a PHA by the definition of the term and it is listed as such. I am not fear mongering. |
Pistis Sophia User ID: 35462976 United States 08/21/2014 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2002 CU11 is a potentially hazardous asteroid discovered by the LINEAR survey in 2002. It's exact size is not yet known, but is somewhere between about half a km and 1.3 km in diameter. At the time it was discovered in 2002 there was about a 1 in 9300 chance that it would hit earth in 2049. The impact of such a large asteroid at such a high velocity would create an explosion of about 53,000 megatons. Such a blast would make a complex crater (with a central peak like what you see in large craters on the moon) about 14 km wide. The heat from the fireball would instantly burn anything for hundreds of km's around it. Definitely doomy. Quoting: Dr. Astro Continued observations of the asteroid ruled out the impact later that year, but this year it makes a close pass by earth. This will be the closest pass it will make prior to 2049, and in fact we now know that this pass will be much closer than the one in 2049. On August 30th it will pass earth at 13.5 times the distance to the moon. It's not the closest pass we'll have this year, but it's still an interesting one from a fairly large NEO that could really do some damage if it were to hit earth. I'll be webcasting this object on the morning of August 29th or 30th depending on the weather. Stay tuned for more details. How this post is seen as fear mongering is beyond me. All I see is interesting information. People has a way to overreact and lash out because of their own inner fear. 1 Corinthians 13 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing. :pic 16: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32984005 United States 08/21/2014 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, don't allow yourself to be affected by those trolls... And remember, in the middle of so many haters, there are always those that are grateful to you for dedicating so much of your time and knowledge with all of us.. Regards from the other side of the ocean ;) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56211363 +1 many thanks, Dr. Astro! |
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Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States 08/21/2014 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro is kind of like the opposite of the boy who cried wolf, so when he says something like this pay attention! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11564023 Dr. Astro I have a few questions: 1. How accurate are predictions of distance of an asteroid's approach? 2. What are the factors that muddy the ability to accurately hone in on a very exact distance? 3. Are there factors that can alter an asteroid's trajectory and how do scientists account for those in their projections (or do they?)? Thanks! :) We know the close approach distance to within about 230 km for this approach. Accuracy and time span covered by the astrometric data is the main limiting factor, but we have very good data for this asteroid. Over long periods of time solar radiation pressure and other minor effects can contribute uncertainty which is dependent on knowing the orientation, shape, albedo, rotational and other properties which may or may not be known, but we know this asteroid does not pose a threat any time in the near future. Over very long periods of time (hundred of years or more) it is harder to say what the ultimate fate will be because these minor effects become more important over longer time scales, but the same is true for virtually all PHAs. Last Edited by Astromut on 08/21/2014 10:08 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61894773 United States 08/21/2014 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2002 CU11 is a potentially hazardous asteroid discovered by the LINEAR survey in 2002. It's exact size is not yet known, but is somewhere between about half a km and 1.3 km in diameter. At the time it was discovered in 2002 there was about a 1 in 9300 chance that it would hit earth in 2049. The impact of such a large asteroid at such a high velocity would create an explosion of about 53,000 megatons. Such a blast would make a complex crater (with a central peak like what you see in large craters on the moon) about 14 km wide. The heat from the fireball would instantly burn anything for hundreds of km's around it. Definitely doomy. Quoting: Dr. Astro Continued observations of the asteroid ruled out the impact later that year, but this year it makes a close pass by earth. This will be the closest pass it will make prior to 2049, and in fact we now know that this pass will be much closer than the one in 2049. On August 30th it will pass earth at 13.5 times the distance to the moon. It's not the closest pass we'll have this year, but it's still an interesting one from a fairly large NEO that could really do some damage if it were to hit earth. I'll be webcasting this object on the morning of August 29th or 30th depending on the weather. Stay tuned for more details. |