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So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede

 
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President Obama wants to undo the Hawaii Admissions Act of 1959, and allow Hawaii to return to a sovereign kingdom, run by native Hawaiians. The idea is nothing new. For at least the last ten years, two Democrat senators from Hawaii have tried to pass legislation—the Native Hawaiian Recognition Act—accomplishing this. Congress has, correctly, declined to pass this, for many reasons, not the least of which is it would violate the 15th Amendment, and create a legalized racial class based not on treaties, but solely on blood heritage.

But Obama is unilaterally doing what Former Senator Daniel Inouye and Senator Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), could not get through Congress. The Department of the Interior has issued an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to do exactly what the failed legislation set out to do.

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Perfect way to permanently close all inquiries from birthers. And, safe from any future prosecution after getting out of office by moving to Hawaii.
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good
fuck those mooks , no more welfare for them )

they will be eating each other in a week to ten days
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if this happens this will open the door to secession across the nation.
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Texas can leave whenever it damn well pleases. It has NOTHING to do with what the federal government says or wants. We are a sovereign state, and as such can do as we please. So can any other state who wishes to leave. This isn't the fourth reich....yet.
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Texas can leave whenever it damn well pleases. It has NOTHING to do with what the federal government says or wants. We are a sovereign state, and as such can do as we please. So can any other state who wishes to leave. This isn't the fourth reich....yet.
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It was perfectly legal and within the rights of the Confederacy to withdraw from the United States back in the 1860s also. Look how that turned out.
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if this happens this will open the door to secession across the nation.
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Exactly. Just like Colorado and pot. Hawaii's departure would start a wave of secession attempts across the country, many of which would pass the popular vote and with Hawaii having set a legal precedent, it seems reasonably plausible.
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I wonder who would end up annexing it, Japan or China??
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It's going to hurt if and when California cuts the purse strings.

The State messed up as it is could get by if the Feds didn't have their hands out all the time.
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This won't happen. Doom and gloom scare tactics for the conspiracy folks.
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never happen.

Only reason Inouye & Akaka kept the natives on board was for the votes.
Why would they vote themselves out of a job?

Think the USA would give up a huge strategic and financial cash cow like Hawaii? ha
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I am waiting for the goddess Rev woo from Hawaii to comment. She was looking into this kind of stuff at one time~

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Man...Dinesh DeSouza called that in his movie 2016 Obama's America
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The funny part will be when they become a sovereign kingdom again and tell obummer he's not welcome anymore!!!

OH AND BY THE WAY we took your house and property too!!!!
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I am waiting for the goddess Rev woo from Hawaii to comment. She was looking into this kind of stuff at one time~
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LOL!

I must say that the article writer is very missinformed

Number one, it's not secession in Hawaii's case, it's a return to sovereignty. Hawaii's government was never dissolved when the US invaded.

Also, though I detest Ovomit, this goes back to 1993 and Clinton signing the Apology Bill into law.

The overthrow of Hawaii was in complete violation of international law as was the annexation. The issue also was definitely not settled in 1959 as the plebiscite presented to the Hawaiian people was in violation of US law. They were only asked if Hawaii should remain a territory or become a state when they also, by US law, have been given the option to return to sovereignty.
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Obama wants.....Obama wants this and that. Like this con artist grifter Elmer Gantry performance artist has the WISDOM to know whats best for this country or the people his wanting will affect.

What he should want is the forgiveness of the American people.
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There were 3 main reasons the US invaded Hawaii.

1 - the US was gearing up for the Spanish American War and desperately needed Pearl Harbor. While they already had a treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii, it was due to expire and they felt they couldn't take the chance of it not being renewed.

2 - in order to raise money after the Civil War, the US began an import tax on Hawaiian sugar. This didn't sit well with the missionary plantation owners. If Hawaii was a territory of the US however, they would pay no import tax.

3 - at the time of the overthrow, the Kingdom of Hawaii was the most educated nation on earth - aprx. 90% literacy rate, as well as being a leader in technology with indoor plumbing and electricity in the Ioloni Palace long before wither the White House or Buckingham Palace. It was also one of the most solvent nations on earth. After the Civil war, the US was broke and approached the Kingdom for a loan. But, their terms were such that Hawaii would not be repaid for at least 1000 years. Of course Hawaii said no way! One of the very first things the US did after invading Hawaii and locking up the Queen was to raid the treasury.
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or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW 103-150



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Folks, Hawaii isn't going anywhere.
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FREE HAWAII...LONG LIVE FREE AND INDEPENDENT HAWAII!!!!!!!!5ayoda5a
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FREE HAWAII...LONG LIVE FREE AND INDEPENDENT HAWAII!!!!!!!!5ayoda5a
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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... let ALL states have their own sovereignty!!!! ...
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... the fed has grown waaaaaay beyond its usefulness! ...
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I am waiting for the goddess Rev woo from Hawaii to comment. She was looking into this kind of stuff at one time~
 Quoting: ^V^


LOL!

I must say that the article writer is very missinformed

Number one, it's not secession in Hawaii's case, it's a return to sovereignty. Hawaii's government was never dissolved when the US invaded.

Also, though I detest Ovomit, this goes back to 1993 and Clinton signing the Apology Bill into law.

The overthrow of Hawaii was in complete violation of international law as was the annexation. The issue also was definitely not settled in 1959 as the plebiscite presented to the Hawaiian people was in violation of US law. They were only asked if Hawaii should remain a territory or become a state when they also, by US law, have been given the option to return to sovereignty.
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


I do not think he has a choice as Hawaii was never LEGALLY a part of the USA and there are certain "document specialists" that have the upper hand.
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I am waiting for the goddess Rev woo from Hawaii to comment. She was looking into this kind of stuff at one time~
 Quoting: ^V^


LOL!

I must say that the article writer is very missinformed

Number one, it's not secession in Hawaii's case, it's a return to sovereignty. Hawaii's government was never dissolved when the US invaded.

Also, though I detest Ovomit, this goes back to 1993 and Clinton signing the Apology Bill into law.

The overthrow of Hawaii was in complete violation of international law as was the annexation. The issue also was definitely not settled in 1959 as the plebiscite presented to the Hawaiian people was in violation of US law. They were only asked if Hawaii should remain a territory or become a state when they also, by US law, have been given the option to return to sovereignty.
 Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo


I do not think he has a choice as Hawaii was never LEGALLY a part of the USA and there are certain "document specialists" that have the upper hand.
 Quoting: Theobromine


jaynod

this has been ongoing behind the scenes long before Obummer came to office. Actually, he really doesn't have much say in the matter - it's really between the Kingdom and the Navy
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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Well since Obama is into Black Liberation theology and the Hawaiians are BROWN and the Texans are NOT BROWN...

That's why Hawaii can secede and Texas cannot.
Anyway why would a welfare state like Hawaii leave? I can understand Texas leaving because they don't want to pay for welfare of Hawaii, Commiefornia and similar welfare states, but Hawaii being one of these welfare states.
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If Hawaii would leave the United States it would be a bankrupt backward place very very quickly, just like Puerto Rico would be.

The ONLY reason Hawaii survives economically is because of US Federal Government transfer payments, military /government spending, and easy access to US tourists. Take away the first two, even "IF" they could retain most of their tourist industry the islands economy would collapse. (think the Philippines ... only poorer)

There is no longer much of demand for their Pineapples and virtually NO demand for their Sugar (most sugar in the US now comes from sugar beets, grown in the Midwest and South, NOT sugar cane grown in tropical regions) ... and other than those items their exports are virtually nil. Shoot they might even have a very difficult time raising enough food to eat, let alone paying for their imported oil needed for their electricity.

"IF" the US does split up ... well then Hawaii will get it's desire. Of course the Chinese will be there very very quickly to be the new "best friends" of the Hawaians, and in doing that task they will probably bring over a few hundred thousand helpers in short order.
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I know people deeply involved in all of this - ones that have been part of the high level meetings in DC and the UN. I was told in 2010 that deals had been made and Hawaii would regain sovereignty when the US collapses.

Get ready!
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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If Hawaii would leave the United States it would be a bankrupt backward place very very quickly, just like Puerto Rico would be.

The ONLY reason Hawaii survives economically is because of US Federal Government transfer payments, military /government spending, and easy access to US tourists. Take away the first two, even "IF" they could retain most of their tourist industry the islands economy would collapse. (think the Philippines ... only poorer)

There is no longer much of demand for their Pineapples and virtually NO demand for their Sugar (most sugar in the US now comes from sugar beets, grown in the Midwest and South, NOT sugar cane grown in tropical regions) ... and other than those items their exports are virtually nil. Shoot they might even have a very difficult time raising enough food to eat, let alone paying for their imported oil needed for their electricity.

"IF" the US does split up ... well then Hawaii will get it's desire. Of course the Chinese will be there very very quickly to be the new "best friends" of the Hawaians, and in doing that task they will probably bring over a few hundred thousand helpers in short order.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20589235


There are 5 Kingdom of Hawaii Royal Trusts totally in the trillions. Plus, deals have already been made.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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