So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62306932 United States 08/30/2014 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede I personally think any state should be permitted secession if the majority chooses that. Sovereignty for all! Quoting: Integrity101 At some point the United States may vote to kick some of the taker states out. States that cost more than they are worth. Some states are givers and some are takers and they are not what most people think. Like the Red and Orange states here are a HUGE drain on the nation. [link to i111.photobucket.com] Or states could kick out some of the deadbeat counties. Here's Washington states "givers and taker" counties. Look at all those republican taker counties here. [link to www.thestranger.com] |
FlashBuzzkill User ID: 26255514 United States 08/30/2014 07:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede There were 3 main reasons the US invaded Hawaii. Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo 1 - the US was gearing up for the Spanish American War and desperately needed Pearl Harbor. While they already had a treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii, it was due to expire and they felt they couldn't take the chance of it not being renewed. 2 - in order to raise money after the Civil War, the US began an import tax on Hawaiian sugar. This didn't sit well with the missionary plantation owners. If Hawaii was a territory of the US however, they would pay no import tax. 3 - at the time of the overthrow, the Kingdom of Hawaii was the most educated nation on earth - aprx. 90% literacy rate, as well as being a leader in technology with indoor plumbing and electricity in the Ioloni Palace long before wither the White House or Buckingham Palace. It was also one of the most solvent nations on earth. After the Civil war, the US was broke and approached the Kingdom for a loan. But, their terms were such that Hawaii would not be repaid for at least 1000 years. Of course Hawaii said no way! One of the very first things the US did after invading Hawaii and locking up the Queen was to raid the treasury. Good history lesson! Thanks Rev Woo-Woo. (I have 2 cousins who were born in HI before 1959 as Airforce brats - would that make them natives? - just curious) Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62306932 United States 08/30/2014 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede I personally think any state should be permitted secession if the majority chooses that. Sovereignty for all! Quoting: Integrity101 At some point the United States may vote to kick some of the taker states out. States that cost more than they are worth. Some states are givers and some are takers and they are not what most people think. Like the Red and Orange states here are a HUGE drain on the nation. [link to i111.photobucket.com] Or states could kick out some of the deadbeat counties. Here's Washington states "givers and taker" counties. Look at all those republican taker counties here. [link to www.thestranger.com] Here's another one. 2005 data tho. But at that time, the top deadbeat taker states were: New Mexico Mississippi Alaska Louisiana West Virginia North Dakota Alabama South Dakota Kentucky [link to thecentristword.files.wordpress.com] |
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Rev Woo-Woo User ID: 53860996 United States 08/30/2014 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede This is what Hawaiians think about Democrats [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6689785 United States 08/30/2014 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So Texas can't leave, but this one state can? Obama wants to unilaterally allow Hawaii to secede I am waiting for the goddess Rev woo from Hawaii to comment. She was looking into this kind of stuff at one time~ Quoting: ^V^ LOL! I must say that the article writer is very missinformed Number one, it's not secession in Hawaii's case, it's a return to sovereignty. Hawaii's government was never dissolved when the US invaded. Also, though I detest Ovomit, this goes back to 1993 and Clinton signing the Apology Bill into law. The overthrow of Hawaii was in complete violation of international law as was the annexation. The issue also was definitely not settled in 1959 as the plebiscite presented to the Hawaiian people was in violation of US law. They were only asked if Hawaii should remain a territory or become a state when they also, by US law, have been given the option to return to sovereignty. Queen Luikiolani was right the US was wrong.....You do not take what is not given freely, being a good host should be reciprocated by acting as the least worthy member of the family. |